Atkins Plateau

"Tim Steffen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What am I doing wrong?

You're eating too much.

The low-carb bars cause some people to stall on Induction, so you might
want to stop eating them for awhile and see if that helps.

Baby Strange said:

The low-carb bars cause some people to stall on Induction, so you might
want to stop eating them for awhile and see if that helps.

And the Kraft South Beach bars have a lot more sugar alcohols in them
than many other brands, like Atkins. I would agree, if you're having
difficulty losing weight, they should go, along with any other suspect
products containing sugar alcohols. And of course it also depends how
many you eat. Many people on here, including myself, have used them in
moderation, without problem. By moderation, I mean I ate two or three
a week.

Most of the carbs you get should be coming from vegetables. Meat and
cheese are going to have a lot more calories than a salad or squash, so
it's better to have a small chef salad than eat pure meat. There's no
minimum amount of vegs required, but being many months into it, I
would hope you would be getting most of your carb limit that way,
rather than with bars.

I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree about
the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork rinds and
jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which has that sweet
hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and cottage cheese
with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet treat w/out many
carbs and packed with proteing

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Baby Strange wrote:
::: The low-carb bars cause some people to stall on Induction, so you
::: might want to stop eating them for awhile and see if that helps.
::
::
:: And the Kraft South Beach bars have a lot more sugar alcohols in them
:: than many other brands, like Atkins. I would agree, if you're having
:: difficulty losing weight, they should go, along with any other
:: suspect products containing sugar alcohols. And of course it also
:: depends how many you eat. Many people on here, including myself,
:: have used them in moderation, without problem. By moderation, I
:: mean I ate two or three a week.
::
:: Most of the carbs you get should be coming from vegetables. Meat and
:: cheese are going to have a lot more calories than a salad or squash,
:: so it's better to have a small chef salad than eat pure meat.
:: There's no minimum amount of vegs required, but being many months
:: into it, I would hope you would be getting most of your carb limit
:: that way, rather than with bars.

And, up the exercise. 2.5 miles of walking is good, but it ain't that much.
Try either increasing the walking, or adding swimming or cycling, or even
dancing. And, add weight training. Full body, 3X per week.

You may also want to consider using fitday.com for a few weeks to see how
many calories you're eating. Counting calories is a good way to end up
eating fewer of them. Even on LC, calories count (not that you have to count
them).

In article <mt4Sf.30017$oL.28670@attbi_s71>,

Tim Steffen said:

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Tim

Give up the bars...
They are bullshite.

Surrender the sweet tooth.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

justme said:

I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree about
the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork rinds and
jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which has that sweet
hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and cottage cheese
with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet treat w/out many
carbs and packed with proteing

Smoothies made of yogurt and cottage cheese are not a very good choice
for someone trying to maintain 20g and not losing. Yogurt has 11g of
carb per cup, cottage cheese 6 and a typical one of these is likely to
be more than a cup. A much better choice is soft tofu with enough LC
milk for consistency, plus zero carb syrup. That should come in at
less than half the carbs.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Baby Strange wrote:
::: The low-carb bars cause some people to stall on Induction, so you
::: might want to stop eating them for awhile and see if that helps.
::
::
:: And the Kraft South Beach bars have a lot more sugar alcohols in them
:: than many other brands, like Atkins. I would agree, if you're having
:: difficulty losing weight, they should go, along with any other
:: suspect products containing sugar alcohols. And of course it also
:: depends how many you eat. Many people on here, including myself,
:: have used them in moderation, without problem. By moderation, I
:: mean I ate two or three a week.
::
:: Most of the carbs you get should be coming from vegetables. Meat and
:: cheese are going to have a lot more calories than a salad or squash,
:: so it's better to have a small chef salad than eat pure meat.
:: There's no minimum amount of vegs required, but being many months
:: into it, I would hope you would be getting most of your carb limit
:: that way, rather than with bars.

And, up the exercise. 2.5 miles of walking is good, but it ain't that
much. Try either increasing the walking, or adding swimming or cycling, or
even dancing. And, add weight training. Full body, 3X per week.

You may also want to consider using fitday.com for a few weeks to see how
many calories you're eating. Counting calories is a good way to end up
eating fewer of them. Even on LC, calories count (not that you have to
count them).

Yup, a major mistake I made was not counting calories. You will always get
to a point where you are "kinda hungry" but "kinda not hungry"... if you are
counting calories (roughly, like I do) you will tend to forgo that piece of
cheese or whatever you were considering having. The LC bars are best used as
a "once a week" treat as they still give you an appetite for sweets and they
majorly stall some people. Also, you might wanna take a week break from the
diet and begin again.

Joe the Aroma wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: Baby Strange wrote:
:::::: The low-carb bars cause some people to stall on Induction, so you
:::::: might want to stop eating them for awhile and see if that helps.
:::::
:::::
::::: And the Kraft South Beach bars have a lot more sugar alcohols in
::::: them than many other brands, like Atkins. I would agree, if
::::: you're having difficulty losing weight, they should go, along
::::: with any other suspect products containing sugar alcohols. And
::::: of course it also depends how many you eat. Many people on here,
::::: including myself, have used them in moderation, without problem.
::::: By moderation, I mean I ate two or three a week.
:::::
::::: Most of the carbs you get should be coming from vegetables. Meat
::::: and cheese are going to have a lot more calories than a salad or
::::: squash, so it's better to have a small chef salad than eat pure
::::: meat. There's no minimum amount of vegs required, but being many
::::: months into it, I would hope you would be getting most of your
::::: carb limit that way, rather than with bars.
:::
::: And, up the exercise. 2.5 miles of walking is good, but it ain't
::: that much. Try either increasing the walking, or adding swimming or
::: cycling, or even dancing. And, add weight training. Full body, 3X
::: per week.
:::
::: You may also want to consider using fitday.com for a few weeks to
::: see how many calories you're eating. Counting calories is a good
::: way to end up eating fewer of them. Even on LC, calories count (not
::: that you have to count them).
::
:: Yup, a major mistake I made was not counting calories. You will
:: always get to a point where you are "kinda hungry" but "kinda not
:: hungry"...

Good point!

if you are counting calories (roughly, like I do) you
:: will tend to forgo that piece of cheese or whatever you were
:: considering having.

Exactly.

The LC bars are best used as a "once a week"
:: treat as they still give you an appetite for sweets and they majorly
:: stall some people. Also, you might wanna take a week break from the
:: diet and begin again.

Not so about yogurt, fermentation eats some of the carbs. This has been
discussed here endlessly. See:
http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| justme wrote:
|| I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree
|| about the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork
|| rinds and jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which has
|| that sweet hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and
|| cottage cheese with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet
|| treat w/out many carbs and packed with proteing
|
|
| Smoothies made of yogurt and cottage cheese are not a very good choice
| for someone trying to maintain 20g and not losing. Yogurt has 11g of
| carb per cup, cottage cheese 6 and a typical one of these is likely to
| be more than a cup. A much better choice is soft tofu with enough
| LC milk for consistency, plus zero carb syrup. That should come in at
| less than half the carbs.

FOB wrote:
:: Not so about yogurt, fermentation eats some of the carbs. This has
:: been discussed here endlessly. See:
:: http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html
::

The only problem I have with that is how can you know what the actual carb
count is? If you can't trust the label, and labels generally can't be
trusted, I just avoid it. Very important in a weight loss phase, IMO.
Maintenance is another matter, IMO.

:: In news:[email hidden],
:: [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
::: justme wrote:
:::: I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree
:::: about the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork
:::: rinds and jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which
:::: has that sweet hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and
:::: cottage cheese with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet
:::: treat w/out many carbs and packed with proteing
:::
:::
::: Smoothies made of yogurt and cottage cheese are not a very good
::: choice for someone trying to maintain 20g and not losing. Yogurt
::: has 11g of carb per cup, cottage cheese 6 and a typical one of
::: these is likely to be more than a cup. A much better choice is
::: soft tofu with enough LC milk for consistency, plus zero carb
::: syrup. That should come in at less than half the carbs.

FOB said:

Not so about yogurt, fermentation eats some of the carbs. This has been
discussed here endlessly. See:
http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

I'm not so sure I believe that and I sure wouldn't trust it if I were
already having problems losing, like the OP There is no need to start
making questionable choices and lowering the carb count below what's
shown on the label, when there are plenty of other foods and better
ways of making a shake.

Quoted message said:

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| justme wrote:
|| I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree
|| about the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork
|| rinds and jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which has
|| that sweet hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and
|| cottage cheese with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet
|| treat w/out many carbs and packed with proteing
|
|
| Smoothies made of yogurt and cottage cheese are not a very good choice
| for someone trying to maintain 20g and not losing. Yogurt has 11g of
| carb per cup, cottage cheese 6 and a typical one of these is likely to
| be more than a cup. A much better choice is soft tofu with enough
| LC milk for consistency, plus zero carb syrup. That should come in at
| less than half the carbs.

Roger Zoul said:

FOB wrote:
:: Not so about yogurt, fermentation eats some of the carbs. This has
:: been discussed here endlessly. See:
:: http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html
::

The only problem I have with that is how can you know what the actual carb
count is? If you can't trust the label, and labels generally can't be
trusted, I just avoid it. Very important in a weight loss phase, IMO.
Maintenance is another matter, IMO.

Exactly. The OP is already stalled, why look for more trouble by
reducing carb counts below what's on the label because it's not
supposed to be correct?

Quoted message said:

:: In news:[email hidden],
:: [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
::: justme wrote:
:::: I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree
:::: about the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork
:::: rinds and jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which
:::: has that sweet hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and
:::: cottage cheese with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet
:::: treat w/out many carbs and packed with proteing
:::
:::
::: Smoothies made of yogurt and cottage cheese are not a very good
::: choice for someone trying to maintain 20g and not losing. Yogurt
::: has 11g of carb per cup, cottage cheese 6 and a typical one of
::: these is likely to be more than a cup. A much better choice is
::: soft tofu with enough LC milk for consistency, plus zero carb
::: syrup. That should come in at less than half the carbs.

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Quoted message said:

Exactly. The OP is already stalled, why look for more trouble by
reducing carb counts below what's on the label because it's not
supposed to be correct?

If it has live, active cultures, just buy the oldest container in the
store and keep it in your fridge a few weeks. If it's sour, odds are
there are no carbs. I do this with plain whole milk yogurt
(Stonyfields) and I can eat it without taking lactase tablets. If there
were any carbs left, I'd be in pain almost immediately.

Susan

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <mt4Sf.30017$oL.28670@attbi_s71>,

Tim Steffen said:

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Tim

Give up the bars...
They are bullshite.

Surrender the sweet tooth.

Is [censored] the elegant form, like shoppe is the elegant form for shop?

Perhaps the t should be doubled like the p from shop to shoppe? I think
it would be far more elegant with the double (tt) rather than just the (t).

Webster's dictionary has been of no help.

Thanks for the advice. I'll try to give up the bars and see what happens. I
don't know if I'm up to counting calories. That was one reason I've never
dieted before Atkins.
"Tim Steffen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I started Atkins 3 years ago. I weighed 340 (56 waist)and Atkins was the
first diet I've ever tried. I followed the plan haphazardly--not counting
carbs, not weighing myself (I hate scales)but trying to eat as few carbs as
I could by cutting out bread, sweets, etc. I ate mostly meat and cheese,
very few veggies except for greenbeans. I also satified my sweet tooth
with low carb candy and ice cream. I began a walking program.

This haphazard approach worked for me and after a year of it I dropped to
a 46 waist and was very pround of myself.. However this is where I
started to stall. I endulged myself with occasional carb treats as
rewards for my continued walking and my progress.

I continued this approach for another year and my clothes started to get
tighter--still not weighing myself--and I became frustrated. I increased
the distance of my walking and it didn't help.

Finally in Nov 2005 I got serious and read the book again and realized
that the occasional sweets were a problem with the diet. I also found I
was eating many more hidden cards than I thought.

Armed with this new knowledge I got down to it and hit the scale. I
weighed 265. My goal is 220 and I decided to start over on Induction and
stay with it until I hit my goal. I have been religiously staying under
20 carbs a day eating meat, eggs, some cheese, low carb bars (Southbeach
brand) and I can't get below 260. I loose a pound or two a week and get
to 260 and then boom I gain 3,4 or 5 back.

I increased my walking up to 2.5 miles a day and am walking faster because
of adding music to my routine. I quit caffiene and aspartame 3 weeks ago
and have gained 5 pounds.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Tim

I
"Tim Steffen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Thanks for the advice. I'll try to give up the bars and see what happens.
I don't know if I'm up to counting calories. That was one reason I've
never dieted before Atkins.

Here's a serious piece of advice... In DANDR, Dr. Atkins insists that you
eat at least three cups of approved green veggies a day, and cut out all
beverages other than water. This is during Induction.

If you do this, and follow a reasonable (doesn't have to be overly
strenuous) exercise routine, you are going to lose weight.

I don't think anyone yet has found a magic bullet that lets you lose weight
by gorging on low-carb foods while ignoring the basics of the plan.

Tim Steffen wrote:
:: Thanks for the advice. I'll try to give up the bars and see what
:: happens. I don't know if I'm up to counting calories. That was one
:: reason I've never dieted before Atkins.

You don't have to count calories. Why don't you try limiting your eating so
that you get hungry before the next mealtime. Or, if you're not hungry
when mealtime comes, don't eat. Just try to eat until you're 80% satisfied.

:: "Tim Steffen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:mt4Sf.30017$oL.28670@attbi_s71...
::: I started Atkins 3 years ago. I weighed 340 (56 waist)and Atkins
::: was the first diet I've ever tried. I followed the plan
::: haphazardly--not counting carbs, not weighing myself (I hate
::: scales)but trying to eat as few carbs as I could by cutting out
::: bread, sweets, etc. I ate mostly meat and cheese, very few veggies
::: except for greenbeans. I also satified my sweet tooth with low
::: carb candy and ice cream. I began a walking program.
:::
::: This haphazard approach worked for me and after a year of it I
::: dropped to a 46 waist and was very pround of myself.. However this
::: is where I started to stall. I endulged myself with occasional
::: carb treats as rewards for my continued walking and my progress.
:::
::: I continued this approach for another year and my clothes started
::: to get tighter--still not weighing myself--and I became frustrated.
::: I increased the distance of my walking and it didn't help.
:::
::: Finally in Nov 2005 I got serious and read the book again and
::: realized that the occasional sweets were a problem with the diet.
::: I also found I was eating many more hidden cards than I thought.
:::
::: Armed with this new knowledge I got down to it and hit the scale. I
::: weighed 265. My goal is 220 and I decided to start over on
::: Induction and stay with it until I hit my goal. I have been
::: religiously staying under 20 carbs a day eating meat, eggs, some
::: cheese, low carb bars (Southbeach brand) and I can't get below 260.
::: I loose a pound or two a week and get to 260 and then boom I gain
::: 3,4 or 5 back.
:::
::: I increased my walking up to 2.5 miles a day and am walking faster
::: because of adding music to my routine. I quit caffiene and
::: aspartame 3 weeks ago and have gained 5 pounds.
:::
::: What am I doing wrong?
:::
::: Thanks,
:::
::: Tim

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Not so about yogurt, fermentation eats some of the carbs. This has been
discussed here endlessly. See:
http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/yogurt.html

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| justme wrote:
|| I don't think that you are eating too much- but I certainly agree
|| about the bars. They make me gain weight. I would suggest pork
|| rinds and jerky for snacks. They even have Terikayi jerky which has
|| that sweet hint....You can also try a smoothy- plain yogurt and
|| cottage cheese with a few berries adn 1 packet splenda for a sweet
|| treat w/out many carbs and packed with proteing
|
|
| Smoothies made of yogurt and cottage cheese are not a very good choice
| for someone trying to maintain 20g and not losing. Yogurt has 11g of
| carb per cup, cottage cheese 6 and a typical one of these is likely to
| be more than a cup. A much better choice is soft tofu with enough
| LC milk for consistency, plus zero carb syrup. That should come in at
| less than half the carbs.

Not only that, but it probably depends on the yogurt. I get plain Greek
yogurt at Trader Joe's and it has 8 carbs/cup (or to be more precise,
weigh it at 1.12/carbs per oz).

--
Saffire
205/136/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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