Atkins & Liver probs

JK@work wrote:
:: I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend
:: has been told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected
:: by her doing Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you
:: have any info on such a claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

That doctor is speculating.

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:26:32 GMT, "JK@work" <[email hidden]>

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I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has been
told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such a
claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

more BS.

Ignore it.

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:26:32 GMT, "JK@work" <[email hidden]>

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I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has

been

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told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such

a

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claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

more BS.

Ignore it.

My friend needs to know the truth... any links to read up on this?

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
http://www.sinrodstudios.com/
Coney Island Memories
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How about asking the doc for his references and studies that prove his
assertion?

Why should the burden of proof be on your friend?

Slider.

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:26:32 GMT, "JK@work" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has

been

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on

such

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

more BS.

Ignore it.

My friend needs to know the truth... any links to read up on this?

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
http://www.sinrodstudios.com/
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories/

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How about asking the doc for his references and studies that prove his
assertion?

Why should the burden of proof be on your friend?

Slider.

In a perfect world this is true, but now a timid young lady has to go back
or call and ask for proof, without insulting the doc? Our system doesn't
work too easily this way. She's been scared into dropping LC and I want to
help her. I have confidence in our readers, that someone will point me to a
study someplace.
--

JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

jk wrote:
|| "Slider" <none> wrote in message
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||| How about asking the doc for his references and studies that prove
||| his assertion?
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||| Why should the burden of proof be on your friend?
|||
||| Slider.
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||
|| In a perfect world this is true, but now a timid young lady has to
|| go back or call and ask for proof, without insulting the doc? Our
|| system doesn't work too easily this way. She's been scared into
|| dropping LC and I want to help her. I have confidence in our
|| readers, that someone will point me to a study someplace.

Start here:

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp?query=liver&catid=

The doctor is an utter moron. It is sad that you need to prove counter
evidence....but all you really need to do is ask him to provide some support
for his/her statements.

before I did LC I had blood tests that reported a "fatty"
liver - since doing LC that has disappeared - I think she needs to ask her
doctor to investigate just what is going
on here before he idly states"its the diet" - my first question would be what
is the doctors general opinion on
Atkins? - if he/she disapproves of the plan than you can see why he/she would
lead to blaming the diet - if he/she
is neutral or in favor then there may be some reason
to trust the doctor - I have my suspicions the doctor is not a LC fan - a
second opinion may be in order here -

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Quoted message said:

I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has been
told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such
a
claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

Is this based on specific bloodwork results?

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I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has been
told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such

a

Quoted message said:

claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

JK, you're right... liver problems are not something that seems to come up
much when people are criticizing low carb. I guess I'd have a few questions.
Does your friend have some specific problem for which her doctor was
monitoring liver enzymes in the first place? I'm assuming her liver enzymes
had been tested prior to the diet (preferably more than once) and were OK
then? She should probably ask for another test to be sure, of course - you
shouldn't ever base a major change on a single test.

If it does look like there is a verifiable effect on liver enzymes, then I'd
want to know a few things. Like, how long has she been on Atkins? Is she
doing it properly - has she added in more and more carbs over time, mostly
in the form of vegetables, as per OWL? Avoiding most of the low-carb junk
food and not overdoing artificial sweeteners? Is she taking her daily
supplements and drinking plenty of water? Has she lost weight too rapidly
(over 2 pounds a week), or found herself in an extended plateau (suggesting
too much food, lc or no)? Avoiding alcohol?

She does need to address this problem, as it can have serious medical
consequences. None of us on this ng are equipped or qualified to do so. It
may be that she does need to make some dietary adjustments. Losing weight
too rapidly can cause liver problems in animals, perhaps it does the same in
some humans. I've been reading Ron Rosedale and his take on low carbing, and
he feels people are much healthier on a lc diet that keeps saturated fats
and protein relatively low. The point is that there are lots of ways of
doing lc, some people may do better on one variation than another. Your
friend may do better on something like that, or something that is just at
the high end of ketosis (not ketonuria, which is considerably lower),
carb-wise. At any rate, she should not switch over to a high carb SAD diet -
Twinkies would definitely not be the answer, or anything that would tend to
raise insulin and bg levels.

HG

JK,

What is the specific liver problem?

Raised liver enzymes?

Fatty liver?

It is very important to understand the problem before speculating on its
cause. It is also very important to fix it, as you only get one liver and
they've very hard to replace.

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"JK@work" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has been
told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such

a

Quoted message said:

claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
http://www.sinrodstudios.com/
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories/

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"JK@work" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has been
told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such
a
claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

Is this based on specific bloodwork results?

It sounds to me like the doctor might be blaming low-carb *instead* of
really investigating the liver problem. The fact the liver problems
coincided with low-carbing doesn't mean that the low-carbing *caused*
the liver problems. They could equally well be a result of whatever
caused her to undertake a low-carb diet. (I'm assuming that she latched
onto low-carb for one of the standard reasons: weight control, blood
sugar issues, suspected sensitivity to gluten.) Whether or not your
friend goes off low-carb to appease her doctor, she should
*simultaneously* be going through more detailed tests to figure out what
actually is going on with her liver. She's only got one, and she
shouldn't muck around with it. A good start would be to get actual
copies of the lab results, to make sure that the doctor isn't freaking
out over something that's .02 units over the lab normal and hence tagged
as HIGH.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

I assume he already screened her for Hep A, B and C? Also, liver enzymes
should be observed over a period of time, not from one blood test as they do
tend to vary.

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Quoted message said:

I haven't had any problems wtih Atkins in 6 years, but a friend has been
told by her doc that her liver enzymes are being affected by her doing
Atkins for too long a period of time. Do any of you have any info on such a
claim, or is it more BS? Thanks!

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
http://www.sinrodstudios.com/
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories/