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    TC
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    http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0

    Atkins helps diabetes patients
    2005 May 24

    WELLINGTON, New Zealand, May 23, 2005 (United Press International via
    COMTEX) -- A study by New Zealand's Wellington Hospital indicates the
    high-fat Atkins diet helps diabetes patients lose weight and control
    the disease.

    The study examined the cases of 12 overweight patients with type 2
    diabetes brought on by diet and lifestyle. On a modified Atkins diet,
    the patients lost an average of about 22 pounds in six months, the
    Wellington Dominion Post reported Monday.

    Surprisingly, the researchers said the patients' glucose tolerance
    improved significantly, indicating better diabetes control.

    "When I went into it, with no published studies, I was expecting we
    would see it would be harmful," said endocrinologist and lead study
    author Jeremy Krebs. "I was not surprised people were able to lose
    weight, but the health parameters all improved more than I expected."

    The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    polyunsaturated fats.

    ***

    I guess we can call this the Atkins Paradox. More fat, better health.

    Remove the cause of obesity and diabetes (refined carbs) and the
    conditions get corrected over time. Remove the refined carbs and
    replace them with healthy whole food carbs and people get healthier. A
    diet high in refined carbs equals higher incidences of metabolic
    syndrome, diabetes and obesity. Avoid the refined carbs in the first
    place and these medical conditions will not appear in the first place.

    How much more evidence do we need before we all get it? It ain't
    frikkin' rocket science.

    TC

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  2. Enrico C
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    On 25 May 2005 09:08:42 -0700, TC wrote in
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    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0

    Atkins helps diabetes patients
    2005 May 24

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    polyunsaturated fats.

    Then it's no "Atkins"!
    Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

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    Enrico C

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  3. TC
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    Enrico C said:

    On 25 May 2005 09:08:42 -0700, TC wrote in
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    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0

    Atkins helps diabetes patients
    2005 May 24

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    polyunsaturated fats.

    Then it's no "Atkins"!
    Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

    --
    Enrico C

    OK, so we have a slightly modified Atkins diet. Either way, a *higher*
    fat diet led to weight loss and improvement in diabetes, exactly the
    opposite of what the maintream has been trumpeting to be the facts
    since WW2. And we have multiple other studies that have shown
    improvements in serum lipid profile on low-carb/high-fat diets.

    The Atkins Paradox is now an official dietary paradox alongside the
    many other recognized dietary paradoxes.

    TC

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  4. Susan
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    Enrico C said:

    On 25 May 2005 09:08:42 -0700, TC wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0

    Atkins helps diabetes patients
    2005 May 24

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    polyunsaturated fats.

    Then it's no "Atkins"!
    Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

    It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he just never
    specifically limited it.

    Susan

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  5. Bob
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    On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:24:24 -0400, Susan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    polyunsaturated fats.

    Then it's no "Atkins"!
    Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

    It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he just never
    specifically limited it.

    Susan

    No it isnt. The diet in the study limits "bad" saturated fat. So a
    diet that does not llimit them is not the same diet as the one in the
    study. A diet that limits carbs is not the same as one that doesn't.
    Get it moron?

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  6. Robert Klute
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    Bob .... said:

    On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:24:24 -0400, Susan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    >aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    >polyunsaturated fats.

    Then it's no "Atkins"!
    Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

    It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he just never
    specifically limited it.

    Susan

    No it isnt. The diet in the study limits "bad" saturated fat. So a
    diet that does not llimit them is not the same diet as the one in the
    study. A diet that limits carbs is not the same as one that doesn't.
    Get it moron?

    Nope. You can be following Atkins and limit your saturated fats. You
    can also be on Atkins and ignore your saturated fat intake.

    From a New Zealand news source:
    "The diet they follow is strictly Atkins: Carbohydrates are almost
    eliminated and protein and fat are allowed. Though, because it is
    hospital-controlled, the group is encouraged to replace as much
    saturated fat with the safer mono and polyunsaturated fats, and to
    include lots of nutrient-rich green vegetables."

    Doesn't say the subjects DID limit their saturated fat intake, only that
    the doctor encouraged. So, what appears to be missing is a study of a
    group of diabetics that did not limit their saturated fat intake and one
    that did.

    What is important is that following the Atkins diet was good for
    diabetics.

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  7. TC
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    Bob said:

    On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:24:24 -0400, Susan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of Atkins,
    >aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono and
    >polyunsaturated fats.

    Then it's no "Atkins"!
    Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

    It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he just never
    specifically limited it.

    Susan

    No it isnt. The diet in the study limits "bad" saturated fat. So a
    diet that does not llimit them is not the same diet as the one in the
    study. A diet that limits carbs is not the same as one that doesn't.
    Get it moron?

    Limiting or not limiting saturated fat is neither here nor there
    according to Atkins, which has been the main point of contention
    amongst the mainstream low-carb detractors. Either way, the Atkins diet
    is higher in fat in general than a low-calorie, read low-fat, diet. On
    Atkins, you get to chose which types of fats you eat. Atkins does not
    limit what kinds of fat you eat. So by limiting one type of fat or
    another does not make it not Atkins.

    Either way, this study clearly shows that a higher fat diet led to
    weight loss and better health. Whether you chose to call it the Atkins
    diet or you call it whatever you will, a high-fat diet is healthier
    than a low-fat diet, period.

    And I will add my personal opinion here - copious amounts of animal
    fats from healthy animals is extrememly healthy for humans to consume.
    That is what we evolved on. Saturated fat or not, it is extremely
    healthy for us.

    And watch your frikkin' language, idiot.

    TC

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