atkins diet

check back in a year after you have stopped the diet (unless you are one of the types who will stay
on the diet forever and croak like Atkins did, earlier than the expected mortality age for males
born in the year he was born,obese and with clogged arteries). Everyone at my gym who has done
Atkins gained most all of their FAT back after stopping the diet (most within 4-6 months). What ever
happened to exercising and eating a balanced diet?

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matt, i have also been on this diet for 3 months and have lost 35lbs. i agree with you in that it
is the best diet. the key to this diet is that you are never hungry. all other diets i have tried
in the past limit you to the amount of food you can eat except this one, thats why it is amazing

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Atkins gained most all of their FAT back after stopping the diet (most

Happens on any diet plan.

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within 4-6 months). What ever happened to exercising

Excercising is recommended on Atkins.

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and eating a balanced diet?

Question is what a balanced diet is.

Mirek

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:28:08 -0700, "Buddy Guy" <[email hidden]>

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check back in a year after you have stopped the diet (unless you are one of the types who will stay
on the diet forever and croak like Atkins did,

Atkins did not die at 72 from heart disease, he died at 72 from a cracked skull (epidural hematoma).

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earlier than the expected mortality age for males born in the year he was born,obese and with
clogged arteries).

How do you know he had clogged arteries? There was no autopsy performed, only a visual ME's report
which would include a review of the hospital records. Since the records of his hospital stay have
not been released, there is no way of telling what happen during those 9 days. It is just as likely
that he suffered an myocardial infarction while in the hospital just prior to death.

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Everyone at my gym who has done Atkins gained most all of their FAT back after stopping the diet
(most within 4-6 months). What ever happened to exercising and eating a balanced diet?

It is not the Atkins' diet that is at fault. It is what they are eating once they stop it that is
causing the weight gain.

Sure fathead. Then it should be easy to come up with retractions from the papers that reported him
weighing 258 AT the time of his accident.

Only an imbecile thinks people increase their body weight by 1/3 (63 pds) due to fluids during a 9
day stay in the hospital.

Also, his debating opponent stated that in recent years he saw Atkins when he was obese.

Heart problems due to viral infaction? Sure, just coincidental that this rare disease hit Atkins,
the high fat advocate... sure sure.

Oh, by the way, why doesn't his wife, who has a monetary interest in sales from his diet plan,
release his medical history and just settle the whole matter? Hahahahaahahah

You're doing great blockage brain.. Have a scoop of lard on your double bacon cheesberger butter
brain ahahahahahaha

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Buddy Guy said:

check back in a year after you have stopped the diet (unless you are one

of

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the types who will stay on the diet forever and croak like Atkins did,

Atkins did not die at 72 from heart disease, he died at 72 from a cracked skull (epidural
hematoma).

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earlier than the expected mortality age for males born in the year he was born,obese and with
clogged arteries).

How do you know he had clogged arteries? There was no autopsy performed, only a visual ME's report
which would include a review of the hospital records. Since the records of his hospital stay have
not been released, there is no way of telling what happen during those 9 days. It is just as
likely that he suffered an myocardial infarction while in the hospital just prior to death.

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Everyone at my gym who has done Atkins gained most all of their FAT back after stopping the diet
(most within 4-6 months). What ever happened to exercising and eating a

balanced

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diet?

It is not the Atkins' diet that is at fault. It is what they are eating once they stop it that is
causing the weight gain.

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:56:46 GMT, "Bill Case" <[email hidden]>

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Sure fathead. Then it should be easy to come up with retractions from the papers that reported him
weighing 258 AT the time of his accident.

OK troll, once again, I don't care what Atkins weighed, when; BUT, get your facts straight before
you try to argue them. The newspapers printed that according to the ME's report Atkins' post mortem
weight was 258 lbs. Only one wire service managed to mangle that into at the time of the accident,
and if you have ever gotten live feeds from any wire service you know they are constantly posting
corrections.

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Only an imbecile thinks people increase their body weight by 1/3 (63 pds) due to fluids during a 9
day stay in the hospital.

First, while highly unlikely, it is not impossible for this to happen. At the time of death Atkins
had prominent edema and jaundice, both indicators of severe fluid retention. Second, it is more
probable that either his admission weight of 195 lbs was wrong or the post mortem weight of 258 lbs
was wrong; BUT, both are possible.

Dr. Michael Baden, forensic pathologist: "... there are often discrepancies in height and weight on
autopsy reports ... As far as weight goes -- a body is weighed after death on a metal scale that
may weigh 30 pounds or 20 pounds. Sometimes the morgue attendant, the person who weighs the
body, may forget to subtract the weight of the scale and the clothing on the body so larger
weights may be recorded than is actually true."

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Also, his debating opponent stated that in recent years he saw Atkins when he was obese.

His debating opponent has demonstrated he carries a vendetta for Atkins and was not under oath.
Also, the 195 lbs admission weight is within the range of 'obesity' observed by McDougall.

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Heart problems due to viral infaction? Sure, just coincidental that this rare disease hit Atkins,
the high fat advocate... sure sure.

Ah, you believe your axe-grinding doctor more than Atkins' physician.

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Oh, by the way, why doesn't his wife, who has a monetary interest in sales from his diet plan,
release his medical history and just settle the whole matter? Hahahahaahahah

Why should she? It won't convince you one way or the other. You'll continue to blast your one
incorrect wire story.

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What ever happened to exercising and eating a balanced diet?

This wouldn't be very trendy, now, would it? Plus, that whole exercising thing sounds like a lot of
work! I'd rather just eat way too much protein than my body can handle and starve it from energy.

FWM III

Sure fathead. Everybody is wrong except you. hahaha People who enter the hospital in an emergency,
and in coma, aren't weighted dumass. People ARE weighed at autopsy, and almost all attendants are
able to do it correctly and accuratley. What a bunch of stupid [censored] you write. You think the MD
he debated against is going to lie about him being obese when numerous others who were present could
refute him? Excuses are all you furnish, which is common for deluded mentalities.

You're a deluded fathead. hahaahahahah

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Bill Case said:

Sure fathead. Then it should be easy to come up with retractions from the papers that reported
him weighing 258 AT the time of his accident.

OK troll, once again, I don't care what Atkins weighed, when; BUT, get your facts straight before
you try to argue them. The newspapers printed that according to the ME's report Atkins' post
mortem weight was 258 lbs. Only one wire service managed to mangle that into at the time of the
accident, and if you have ever gotten live feeds from any wire service you know they are
constantly posting corrections.

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Only an imbecile thinks people increase their body weight by 1/3 (63 pds) due to fluids during a
9 day stay in the hospital.

First, while highly unlikely, it is not impossible for this to happen. At the time of death Atkins
had prominent edema and jaundice, both indicators of severe fluid retention. Second, it is more
probable that either his admission weight of 195 lbs was wrong or the post mortem weight of 258
lbs was wrong; BUT, both are possible.

Dr. Michael Baden, forensic pathologist: "... there are often discrepancies in height and weight
on autopsy reports ... As far as weight goes -- a body is weighed after death on a metal scale
that may weigh 30 pounds or 20 pounds. Sometimes the morgue attendant, the person who weighs
the body, may forget to subtract the weight of the scale and the clothing on the body so
larger weights may be recorded than is actually true."

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Also, his debating opponent stated that in recent years he saw Atkins

when

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he was obese.

His debating opponent has demonstrated he carries a vendetta for Atkins and was not under oath.
Also, the 195 lbs admission weight is within the range of 'obesity' observed by McDougall.

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Heart problems due to viral infaction? Sure, just coincidental that this rare disease hit Atkins,
the high fat advocate... sure sure.

Ah, you believe your axe-grinding doctor more than Atkins' physician.

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Oh, by the way, why doesn't his wife, who has a monetary interest in

sales

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from his diet plan, release his medical history and just settle the whole matter? Hahahahaahahah

Why should she? It won't convince you one way or the other. You'll continue to blast your one
incorrect wire story.

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 05:20:24 GMT, "Bill Case" <[email hidden]>

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Sure fathead. Everybody is wrong except you. hahaha

Funny, you seem to be the one whose sole argument is a flawed wire agency release and the tag line
haha repeated with the occasional ba.

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People who enter the hospital in an emergency, and in coma, aren't weighted dumass. People ARE
weighed at autopsy, and almost all attendants are able to do it correctly and accuratley.

Almost, sounds like plenty of room for some error. Particularly when there isn't going to be a
proper autopsy, no point in double checking on this one.

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What a bunch of stupid [censored] you write. You think the MD he debated against is going to lie
about him being obese when numerous others who were present could refute him?

For this doctor, yes. "Grossly overweight" is a subjective statement and I believe he would go to
any length to denegrate someone who promotes a non-vegetarian diet. Besides, I posted the URL for
the streaming video of the debate in another thread for you. Did you look at it? I did, and
Atkins didn't look obese to me. He didn't look gaunt, perhaps a little overweight, but definitely
not obese.

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Excuses are all you furnish, which is common for deluded mentalities.

You don't even bother with, just repetition of the same line. Sounds compulsive-obsessive to me. Is
that your problem, bubba? Do try something better than bahaha, posting the AFP wire story, and name
calling this time, or is that all you are capable of?

Not actually true. The average person consumes over 3000 calories a day...no wonder we are a country
of overweight people.

The Atkins diet indoctrination for the first 2 weeks is around 1500 and thereafter about 1900.

So Atkins DOES limit you to what you can eat. You just might not be noticing that you are eating
LESS CALORIES.

It's ALL about eating less and exercising more...

Trent

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sci.med.nutrition Date: 3 Mar 2004 08:14:31 -0800 Subject: atkins diet

matt, i have also been on this diet for 3 months and have lost 35lbs. i agree with you in that it
is the best diet. the key to this diet is that you are never hungry. all other diets i have tried
in the past limit you to the amount of food you can eat except this one, thats why it is amazing

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The Atkins diet indoctrination for the first 2 weeks is around 1500 and thereafter about 1900.

For whom?

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So Atkins DOES limit you to what you can eat. You just might not be noticing that you are eating
LESS CALORIES.

Yes, and that's a good thing.

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It's ALL about eating less and exercising more...

Trent

Well, yes and no.

It's all about avoiding the hunger which is triggered by high glycemic load.

Calories always matter, but different calories matter differently in different people.

Susan

I've been doing Atkins for two weeks now. I've been
exercising six times a week and I've been on ketosis the
whole time but I haven't lost an inch, does anyone have an
idea about why am I not losing any weight?

Starvation? Your body is refusing to give up the weight
because of muscle gains and fear of starving. Try some body
confusion principles.

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I've been doing Atkins for two weeks now. I've been
exercising six times a week and I've been on ketosis the
whole time but I haven't lost an inch, does anyone have an
idea about why am I not losing any weight?

What do you mean by "body confusion principles"?

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Starvation? Your body is refusing to give up the weight
because of muscle gains and fear of starving. Try some
body confusion principles.

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I've been doing Atkins for two weeks now. I've been
exercising six times a week and I've been on ketosis the
whole time but I haven't lost an inch, does anyone have
an idea about why am I not losing any weight?

What do you mean by "body confusion principles"?

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Starvation? Your body is refusing to give up the weight
because of muscle gains and fear of starving. Try some
body confusion principles.

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I've been doing Atkins for two weeks now. I've been
exercising six times a week and I've been on ketosis the
whole time but I haven't lost an inch, does anyone have
an idea about why am I not losing any weight?

Change something every few days. Your body adapts to
whatever your throw at it and stagnates with your
techniques.

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What do you mean by "body confusion principles"?

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Starvation? Your body is refusing to give up the weight
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muscle

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gains and fear of starving. Try some body confusion
principles.

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I've been doing Atkins for two weeks now. I've been
exercising six times a week and I've been on ketosis
the whole time but I haven't lost an inch, does anyone
have an idea about why am I not losing any weight?

Because the Atkins diet is [censored], that's why.

M9

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> exercising six times a week and I've been on ketosis
> the whole time but I haven't lost an inch, does
> anyone have an idea about why am I not losing any
> weight?

It works for everybody with a brain.

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Because the Atkins diet is [censored], that's why.

M9

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That's the best rejoinder you could come up with?

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It works for everybody with a brain.

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Because the Atkins diet is [censored], that's why.

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Proof positive, folks.

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That's the best rejoinder you could come up with?

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It works for everybody with a brain.

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Because the Atkins diet is [censored], that's why.

M9

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