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  1. When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in
    the world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight. For
    years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially, he died from a fall --
    slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time, his medical records show that he had a history of
    heart problems and was way overweight when he died. The people who run the Atkins diet industry
    insist that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his history of heart
    problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid buildup caused by the heart problems.
    This is their story and they're sticking to it. My story is that I've been on something like the
    Atkins diet for years. I say "something like" since I never actually read his diet book or consulted
    a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying and cut out bread and pasta
    and started eating meat. It worked. I lost weight. Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I missed my bagel
    in the morning. And sure, I missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day. It was tough to
    give all that up. But in exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which is what I was not
    supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came along and repealed all sorts of laws of nature
    or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This was Atkins's greatest gift. Not only was bacon
    suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the precursor of almost-instant death, but it was
    actually good for you. Every morning, I had three slices of delicious bacon. What a diet! On
    weekends, I sometimes had more than three slices, figuring that if three slices were good for me,
    six were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could drink each morning of a very,
    very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A group of anti-Atkins guerrilla
    fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which advocates vegetarian diets, got
    hold of the New York City medical examiner's report on Atkins's death and went to town with it. They
    raised all sorts of questions: Why the heart condition? Why was he so obese? Did his diet contribute
    to his heart problems? In other words, could you really eat fat and lose weight at the same time --
    and stay healthy? After all, 72 is not that old. For me -- and countless others -- much depends on
    the answer to that question, and I'm not talking about diet and health. I'm talking instead about
    gullibility, about wanting to believe something so badly that common sense got shoved aside. (Bacon,
    indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a believer. Here I was, all these years, the sort of person
    who laughed when some homophobe turned out to be gay or some cultural conservative was found in the
    hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at people who were always discovering that college sports were
    corrupt or that "fan" was just another word for sucker. Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully
    and without reservation in cynicism. Cynicism will never let you down. And yet every morning, I did
    my little religious number from the church of
    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but it gave me something I
    wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my steak -- the fattier,
    the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by forswearing bread and pasta.
    Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his secret is out. He was fat and
    sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that also satisfies my
    newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works. [email hidden]

  2. In article <C%YWb.17146$yE5.89462@attbi_s54>, "Dashi" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    As has been said, every now and then, they get Cohen's medication just right and he hits one out
    of the park. Nice.

    --
    tanx, Howard

    "We're not laughing -at- you, we're laughing -with- you..) "But... I'm not
    laughing???" Happiness

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  3. Just finished reading it our local paper. Wonderful!

    "Dashi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:C%YWb.17146$yE5.89462@attbi_s54...

    Quoted message said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert Atkins,
    who died last year at the age of 72, weighing


    258

    Quoted message said:

    pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight. For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially,


    he

    Quoted message said:

    died from a fall -- slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time, his medical records show
    that he had a history of heart problems and was way overweight when he died. The people who run
    the Atkins diet industry


    insist

    Quoted message said:

    that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his


    history

    Quoted message said:

    of heart problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid


    buildup

    Quoted message said:

    caused by the heart problems. This is their story and they're sticking to it. My story is that
    I've been on something like the Atkins diet for years. I say "something like" since I never
    actually read his diet book or


    consulted

    Quoted message said:

    a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying and cut out bread and pasta
    and started eating meat. It worked. I lost weight. Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I missed my
    bagel in the morning. And sure,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day. It was tough to give all that up. But in
    exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which


    is

    Quoted message said:

    what I was not supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came along and repealed all sorts
    of laws of nature or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This was Atkins's greatest
    gift. Not only was bacon suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the precursor of almost-
    instant death, but it was actually good for you. Every morning, I


    had

    Quoted message said:

    three slices of delicious bacon. What a diet! On weekends, I sometimes had more than three slices,
    figuring that if three slices were good for me,


    six

    Quoted message said:

    were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could drink


    each

    Quoted message said:

    morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A group of anti-
    Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,


    which

    Quoted message said:

    advocates vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical


    examiner's

    Quoted message said:

    report on Atkins's death and went to town with it. They raised all sorts


    of

    Quoted message said:

    questions: Why the heart condition? Why was he so obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart
    problems? In other words, could you really eat fat and lose weight at the same time -- and stay
    healthy? After all, 72 is not that old. For me -- and countless others -- much depends on the
    answer to that question, and I'm not talking about diet and health. I'm talking instead about
    gullibility, about wanting to believe something so badly that common sense got shoved aside.
    (Bacon, indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a believer. Here I was, all these years, the sort of
    person who laughed when some homophobe turned out to be gay or some cultural conservative was


    found

    Quoted message said:

    in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at people who were always discovering that college sports
    were corrupt or that "fan" was just


    another

    Quoted message said:

    word for sucker. Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in cynicism.
    Cynicism will never let you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious number from the
    church of
    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but


    it

    Quoted message said:

    gave me something I wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my
    steak -- the fattier, the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by forswearing
    bread and pasta. Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his secret is out.
    He was fat and sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that also
    satisfies my newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works.
    [email hidden]

  4. Like this is supposed to be the Final Word. If you have ever seen Dr. Atkins on TV and believed he
    weighed 258lbs, then you're a gullible fool. I guess the proof of Atkins or South Beach or Dr. Phil
    (whatever diet he proposes) or anyone else is in the pudding. If you loose weight and your lipid
    profiles are better than what they were, well then there's nothing really to argue. I leave room in
    my opinion for developing science, nothing is set in stone forever, but I think that basically
    Atkins and et al are correct about the US diet - too many sugars in the form of sodas and other junk
    foods and basic inactivity make us fat. I mean, people went to low-fat diets and it just made
    Americans fatter, supposedly.

    As usual, there are people who will do anything to tear down someone else's reputation (see
    Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) to further their own cause.

    Dashi said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in
    the world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight.
    For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially, he died from a fall --
    slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time, his medical records show that he had a history
    of heart problems and was way overweight when he died. The people who run the Atkins diet industry
    insist that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his history of heart
    problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid buildup caused by the heart problems.
    This is their story and they're sticking to it. My story is that I've been on something like the
    Atkins diet for years. I say "something like" since I never actually read his diet book or
    consulted a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying and cut out bread
    and pasta and started eating meat. It worked. I lost weight. Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I
    missed my bagel in the morning. And sure, I missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day.
    It was tough to give all that up. But in exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which is
    what I was not supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came along and repealed all sorts
    of laws of nature or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This was Atkins's greatest gift.
    Not only was bacon suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the precursor of almost-instant
    death, but it was actually good for you. Every morning, I had three slices of delicious bacon. What
    a diet! On weekends, I sometimes had more than three slices, figuring that if three slices were
    good for me, six were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could drink each
    morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A group of anti-
    Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which advocates
    vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical examiner's report on Atkins's death and
    went to town with it. They raised all sorts of questions: Why the heart condition? Why was he so
    obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart problems? In other words, could you really eat fat and
    lose weight at the same time -- and stay healthy? After all, 72 is not that old. For me -- and
    countless others -- much depends on the answer to that question, and I'm not talking about diet and
    health. I'm talking instead about gullibility, about wanting to believe something so badly that
    common sense got shoved aside. (Bacon, indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a believer. Here I
    was, all these years, the sort of person who laughed when some homophobe turned out to be gay or
    some cultural conservative was found in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at people who were
    always discovering that college sports were corrupt or that "fan" was just another word for sucker.
    Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in cynicism. Cynicism will
    never let you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious number from the church of
    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but it gave me something I
    wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my steak -- the fattier,
    the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by forswearing bread and pasta.
    Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his secret is out. He was fat and
    sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that also satisfies my
    newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works. [email hidden]

    ---
    Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

  5. Yeah Ken sure! wink, wink 🙂

    Dashi

    "Ken Very Big Liar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Like this is supposed to be the Final Word. If you have ever seen Dr. Atkins on TV and believed he
    weighed 258lbs, then you're a gullible fool. I guess the proof of Atkins or South Beach or Dr.
    Phil (whatever diet he proposes) or anyone else is in the pudding. If you loose weight and your
    lipid profiles are better than what they were, well then there's nothing really to argue. I leave
    room in my opinion for developing science, nothing is set in stone forever, but I think that
    basically Atkins and et al are correct about the US diet - too many sugars in the form of sodas
    and other junk foods and basic inactivity make us fat. I mean, people went to low-fat diets and it
    just made Americans fatter, supposedly.

    As usual, there are people who will do anything to tear down someone else's reputation (see
    Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) to further their own cause.

    Dashi said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in
    the world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight.
    For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially, he died from a fall --
    slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time, his medical records show that he had a history
    of heart problems and was way overweight when he died. The people who run the Atkins diet industry
    insist that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his history of heart
    problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid buildup caused by the heart problems.
    This is their story and they're sticking to it. My story is that I've been on something like the
    Atkins diet for years. I say "something like" since I never actually read his diet book or
    consulted a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying and cut out bread
    and pasta and started eating meat. It worked. I lost weight. Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I
    missed my bagel in the morning. And sure, I missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day.
    It was tough to give all that up. But in exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which is
    what I was not supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came along and repealed all sorts
    of laws of nature or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This was Atkins's greatest
    gift. Not only was bacon suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the precursor of almost-
    instant death, but it was actually good for you. Every morning, I had three slices of delicious
    bacon. What a diet! On weekends, I sometimes had more than three slices, figuring that if three
    slices were good for me, six were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could
    drink each morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A
    group of anti-Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which
    advocates vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical examiner's report on Atkins's
    death and went to town with it. They raised all sorts of questions: Why the heart condition? Why
    was he so obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart problems? In other words, could you really
    eat fat and lose weight at the same time -- and stay healthy? After all, 72 is not that old. For
    me -- and countless others -- much depends on the answer to that question, and I'm not talking
    about diet and health. I'm talking instead about gullibility, about wanting to believe something
    so badly that common sense got shoved aside. (Bacon, indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a
    believer. Here I was, all these years, the sort of person who laughed when some homophobe turned
    out to be gay or some cultural conservative was found in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at
    people who were always discovering that college sports were corrupt or that "fan" was just another
    word for sucker. Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in cynicism.
    Cynicism will never let you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious number from the
    church of
    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but it gave me something I
    wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my steak -- the
    fattier, the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by forswearing bread
    and pasta. Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his secret is out. He
    was fat and sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that also
    satisfies my newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works.
    [email hidden]

    ---
    Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

  6. I agree with what you say US diet ... if we just dumped soda's (diet included) we would be much
    better off. Being an engineer I use my bod as a chemistry set from time to time (not adding
    chemicals ... just see it's reaction to foods) ... went on Atkins and lost weight, my breath always
    stunk and I would cramp easily, conclusion if the diet requires so much additional supplementation
    it's not great. I use to drink tons of sodas ... went to diet and did not lose weight ... went to
    water and 100% juice products, and lost weight, conclusion that although the diet sodas are only 1
    cal they react with the body and cause limited to no weight loss.

    I think the key to our "bad" diet is Corn ... a food product used to fatten farm animals. Look at
    the labels, it's in just about everything!!! It's being used as a "natural sweetener" in just about
    everything ... like cranberry juice (it go tons of corn syrup in it).

    s boardnbike.comboardnbike.com

    "Ken Very Big Liar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Like this is supposed to be the Final Word. If you have ever seen Dr.


    Atkins on

    Quoted message said:

    TV and believed he weighed 258lbs, then you're a gullible fool. I guess


    the

    Quoted message said:

    proof of Atkins or South Beach or Dr. Phil (whatever diet he proposes) or


    anyone

    Quoted message said:

    else is in the pudding. If you loose weight and your lipid profiles are


    better

    Quoted message said:

    than what they were, well then there's nothing really to argue. I leave


    room in

    Quoted message said:

    my opinion for developing science, nothing is set in stone forever, but I


    think

    Quoted message said:

    that basically Atkins and et al are correct about the US diet - too many


    sugars

    Quoted message said:

    in the form of sodas and other junk foods and basic inactivity make us


    fat. I

    Quoted message said:

    mean, people went to low-fat diets and it just made Americans fatter, supposedly.

    As usual, there are people who will do anything to tear down someone


    else's

    Quoted message said:

    reputation (see Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) to further


    their

    Quoted message said:

    own cause.

    Dashi said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing


    258

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight. For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially,


    he

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    died from a fall -- slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time,


    his

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medical records show that he had a history of heart problems and was way overweight when he died.
    The people who run the Atkins diet industry


    insist

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his


    history

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of heart problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid


    buildup

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    caused by the heart problems. This is their story and they're sticking to it. My story is that
    I've been on something like the Atkins diet for years. I say "something like" since I never
    actually read his diet book or


    consulted

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cut out bread and pasta and started eating meat. It worked. I lost


    weight.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I missed my bagel in the morning. And


    sure, I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day. It was tough to


    give

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all that up. But in exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what I was not supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came


    along

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and repealed all sorts of laws of nature or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This
    was Atkins's greatest gift. Not only was bacon suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the
    precursor of almost-instant death, but it was actually good for you. Every morning, I


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    three slices of delicious bacon. What a diet! On weekends, I sometimes


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more than three slices, figuring that if three slices were good for me,


    six

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could drink


    each

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A group of
    anti-Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    advocates vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical


    examiner's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    report on Atkins's death and went to town with it. They raised all sorts


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    questions: Why the heart condition? Why was he so obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart
    problems? In other words, could you really eat


    fat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and lose weight at the same time -- and stay healthy? After all, 72 is


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that old. For me -- and countless others -- much depends on the answer to that question, and I'm
    not talking about diet and health. I'm talking instead about gullibility, about wanting to
    believe something so badly that


    common

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sense got shoved aside. (Bacon, indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a believer. Here I was, all
    these years, the sort of person who laughed


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    some homophobe turned out to be gay or some cultural conservative was


    found

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at people who were always discovering that college
    sports were corrupt or that "fan" was just


    another

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word for sucker. Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in
    cynicism. Cynicism will never let you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious
    number from the church


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gave me something I wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have
    my steak -- the fattier, the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by
    forswearing bread and pasta. Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and
    his secret


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    out. He was fat and sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that
    also satisfies my newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works.
    [email hidden]

    ---
    Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

  7. smiles said:


    I think the key to our "bad" diet is Corn ... >


    Ancient mayans and aztecs would disagree with you. The key to your bad diet is processed food.

  8. "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    smiles said:


    I think the key to our "bad" diet is Corn ... >


    Ancient mayans and aztecs would disagree with you. The key to your bad


    diet

    Quoted message said:

    is processed food.

    And others would argue it's pig food ... ;-)

    Most processed foods have "high fructose corn syrup" ... which is processed corn ... we could not
    eat that much corn to be bad, but they are sucking the bad stuff out and concentrating it!!

    s boardnbike.comboardnbike.com

  9. "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" are more than just guerillas...they're militant!
    Keep in mind that they are partially funded and share offices with PETA. Also, from what I read,
    they illegally released Dr. A's medical records and have been censured more than once by the AMA(?)
    The weight gain prior to death was directly related to the coma. That's indisputable. I know from
    personal family experience. And the heart trouble was apparently tied to a viral infection he
    suffered from some years prior.

    My irritation with this is the (dis)information reported on and considered fact by many news orgs
    and the lack of respect to the Atkins family while his body is still warm.

    "Dashi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<C%YWb.17146$yE5.89462@attbi_s54>...

    Quoted message said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in
    the world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight.
    For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially, he died from a fall --
    slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time, his medical records show that he had a history
    of heart problems and was way overweight when he died. The people who run the Atkins diet industry
    insist that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his history of heart
    problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid buildup caused by the heart problems.
    This is their story and they're sticking to it. My story is that I've been on something like the
    Atkins diet for years. I say "something like" since I never actually read his diet book or
    consulted a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying and cut out bread
    and pasta and started eating meat. It worked. I lost weight. Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I
    missed my bagel in the morning. And sure, I missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day.
    It was tough to give all that up. But in exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which is
    what I was not supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came along and repealed all sorts
    of laws of nature or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This was Atkins's greatest
    gift. Not only was bacon suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the precursor of almost-
    instant death, but it was actually good for you. Every morning, I had three slices of delicious
    bacon. What a diet! On weekends, I sometimes had more than three slices, figuring that if three
    slices were good for me, six were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could
    drink each morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A
    group of anti-Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which
    advocates vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical examiner's report on Atkins's
    death and went to town with it. They raised all sorts of questions: Why the heart condition? Why
    was he so obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart problems? In other words, could you really
    eat fat and lose weight at the same time -- and stay healthy? After all, 72 is not that old. For
    me -- and countless others -- much depends on the answer to that question, and I'm not talking
    about diet and health. I'm talking instead about gullibility, about wanting to believe something
    so badly that common sense got shoved aside. (Bacon, indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a
    believer. Here I was, all these years, the sort of person who laughed when some homophobe turned
    out to be gay or some cultural conservative was found in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at
    people who were always discovering that college sports were corrupt or that "fan" was just another
    word for sucker. Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in cynicism.
    Cynicism will never let you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious number from the
    church of
    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but it gave me something I
    wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my steak -- the
    fattier, the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by forswearing bread
    and pasta. Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his secret is out. He
    was fat and sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that also
    satisfies my newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works.
    [email hidden]

  10. David said:

    "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" are more than just guerillas...they're militant!
    Keep in mind that they are partially funded and share offices with PETA. Also, from what I read,
    they illegally released Dr. A's medical records and have been censured more than once by the
    AMA(?) The weight gain prior to death was directly related to the coma. That's indisputable. I
    know from personal family experience. And the heart trouble was apparently tied to a viral
    infection he suffered from some years prior.

    My irritation with this is the (dis)information reported on and considered fact by many news orgs
    and the lack of respect to the Atkins family while his body is still warm.

    They didn't illegally release his medical records. They requested them from the hospital,
    which improperly released them without proper authorization. Atkins was a public figure. He
    made claims for a diet which many feel is at best useful in select instances and at worst
    dangerous to many. The diet has become a fad and has been picked up on by many in the food
    industry who have a vested interest but no legal responsibility for what could turn out to
    be a significant health risk. As such he and his diet are fair game for criticism. If his
    diet has merit it will eventually find its place in normal and therapeutic nutrition.
    Personally, I'm not betting the farm.

    Steve

  11. actually, Steve, I think you're right. But isn't the P.C.R.M. part of the investigation? I'm not a
    big fan of the diet myself and I have my doubts about it for sure. I've seen some great results
    though but I can't imagine being on any diet for any length of time.

    As far as any criticism directed toward Dr. A and his diet. Yeah, he's fair game. But it's all in
    the timing, I think. But of course we know how PETA lacks tact and have proved themselves time and
    again to be complete wacko.

    "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David said:

    "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" are more than just guerillas...they're militant!
    Keep in mind that they are partially funded and share offices with PETA. Also, from what I read,
    they illegally released Dr. A's medical records and have been censured more than once by the
    AMA(?) The weight gain prior to death was directly related to the coma. That's indisputable. I
    know from personal family experience. And the heart trouble was apparently tied to a viral
    infection he suffered from some years prior.

    My irritation with this is the (dis)information reported on and considered fact by many news
    orgs and the lack of respect to the Atkins family while his body is still warm.

    They didn't illegally release his medical records. They requested them from the hospital, which
    improperly released them without proper authorization. Atkins was a public figure. He made claims
    for a diet which many feel is at best useful in select instances and at worst dangerous to many.
    The diet has become a fad and has been picked up on by many in the food industry who have a vested
    interest but no legal responsibility for what could turn out to be a significant health risk. As
    such he and his diet are fair game for criticism. If his diet has merit it will eventually find
    its place in normal and therapeutic nutrition. Personally, I'm not betting the farm.

    Steve

  12. D L said:

    actually, Steve, I think you're right. But isn't the P.C.R.M. part of the investigation? I'm not a
    big fan of the diet myself and I have my doubts about it for sure. I've seen some great results
    though but I can't imagine being on any diet for any length of time.

    As far as any criticism directed toward Dr. A and his diet. Yeah, he's fair game. But it's all in
    the timing, I think. But of course we know how PETA lacks tact and have proved themselves time and
    again to be complete wacko.

    I may have misinterpreted your post. P.C.R.M. may indeed be part of the investigation. I'm
    not knowledgeable about laws relating to third party release of private medical information.
    There is no question that the hospital is in violation of federal law by the release of the
    records. I also know little about P.C.R.M. and its relationship to PETA. Not that it
    matters, but I agree with your assessment of PETA. It certainly is insensitive to trash the
    man now, but it's going to happen now while the diet is hot; there's a good chance in 5
    years no one's going to care.

    Steve

    Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    David said:

    "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" are more than just guerillas...they're militant!
    Keep in mind that they are partially funded and share offices with PETA. Also, from what I read,
    they illegally released Dr. A's medical records and have been censured more than once by the
    AMA(?) The weight gain prior to death was directly related to the coma. That's indisputable. I
    know from personal family experience. And the heart trouble was apparently tied to a viral
    infection he suffered from some years prior.

    My irritation with this is the (dis)information reported on and considered fact by many news orgs
    and the lack of respect to the Atkins family while his body is still warm.

    They didn't illegally release his medical records. They requested them from the hospital, which
    improperly released them without proper authorization. Atkins was a public figure. He made claims
    for a diet which many feel is at best useful in select instances and at worst dangerous to many.
    The diet has become a fad and has been picked up on by many in the food industry who have a vested
    interest but no legal responsibility for what could turn out to be a significant health risk. As
    such he and his diet are fair game for criticism. If his diet has merit it will eventually find
    its place in normal and therapeutic nutrition. Personally, I'm not betting the farm.

    Steve


  13. Interesting study quoted on the Atkins segment tonight on NBC.
    It was regarding low fat vs. Atkins or low carb diet. After 6 months, low carb dieters lost significantly more weight. After 12 months, no significant difference in weight loss. Interesting stuff.

    I still maintain that it's about portion control, too much soda and processed food. We eat like pigs in this country. I had a cardiac event in 1998 that scared the [censored] out of me. I controlled my portions and cut out all fast food and soda. I lost 40 pounds and am at 186. I ate all types of foods and was completely satisfied.

    just my 2 cents.

  14. "ParsonsBri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Interesting study quoted on the Atkins segment tonight on NBC. It was regarding low fat vs. Atkins
    or low carb diet. After 6 months, low carb dieters lost significantly more weight. After 12
    months, no significant difference in weight loss. Interesting stuff.

    I still maintain that it's about portion control, too much soda and processed food. We eat like
    pigs in this country. I had a cardiac event in 1998 that scared the [censored] out of me. I controlled
    my portions and cut out all fast food and soda. I lost 40 pounds and am at 186. I ate all types of
    foods and was completely satisfied.

    Yes, you are correct that it is mostly calorie count and not content that makes a good diet
    control weight.

    But after years of eating like a hog at the trough the question is: which diet can work the best.
    Dr. Atkins diet has a fairly rapid weight loss and contrary to what many people theorize, it also
    reduces your cholesterol as well. For those who need the proof of the scales to keep them working on
    their weight it is a good diet.

    NO diet that 'controls' the content of your diet whether it is fat, protein or carbohydrates to a
    smaller than recommended value is goo din the long run. Many doctors hype the low fat diet but just
    try it some time and you'll discover that your skin dries out and starts flaking off, you begin
    having eyesight problems and all other sorts of things that don't make any sense.

    Atkins diet is said to drive your body into acidosis and if that's so then it certainly isn't a good
    thing to continue for any length of time. There is the chance of causing serious damage to internal
    organs over time.

    My opinion is that Dr. Atkin's diet is a good way to drop off extra weight fairly rapidly and fairly
    painlessly. In the spring I'll sometimes go onto a high protein/low carb diet for a couple of months
    and then go back to my regular everything-including-the-kitchen-sink diet for the remainder of the
    year. I don't go to extremes and yet the weight falls of surprisingly fast with the Atkins diet.

    And I will say this - in my younger days very high protein and low carbs was my regular diet and I
    was skinny as a rail and had cholesterol counts in the teens. You can track my medical records and
    the more high carb diet I had the high my cholesterol count was until I'm way over the limit now and
    I have a low protein/low fat diet.

  15. "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David said:

    "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" are more than just guerillas...they're militant!
    Keep in mind that they are partially funded and share offices with PETA. Also, from what I read,
    they illegally released Dr. A's medical records and have been censured more than once by the
    AMA(?) The weight gain prior to death was directly related to the coma. That's indisputable. I
    know from personal family experience. And the heart trouble was apparently tied to a viral
    infection he suffered from some years prior.

    My irritation with this is the (dis)information reported on and considered fact by many news
    orgs and the lack of respect to the Atkins family while his body is still warm.

    They didn't illegally release his medical records. They requested them from the hospital, which
    improperly released them without proper authorization. Atkins was a public figure. He made claims
    for a diet which many feel is at best useful in select instances and at worst dangerous to many.
    The diet has become a fad and has been picked up on by many in the food industry who have a vested
    interest but no legal responsibility for what could turn out to be a significant health risk. As
    such he and his diet are fair game for criticism. If his diet has merit it will eventually find
    its place in normal and therapeutic nutrition. Personally, I'm not betting the farm.

    Steve

    Well said.

  16. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "ParsonsBri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    And I will say this - in my younger days very high protein and low carbs was my regular diet and I
    was skinny as a rail and had cholesterol counts in the teens. You can track my medical records and
    the more high carb diet I had the high my cholesterol count was until I'm way over the limit now
    and I have a low protein/low fat diet.

    But everyone's metabolism shifts with age, so I don't think it's really fair to use the fact that
    you ate steak eggs and hotdogs everyday at 18 and compare it the results you get with a more
    controlled diet now.

  17. "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" are more than just guerillas...they're militant!
    Keep in mind that they are partially funded and share offices with PETA. Also, from what I read,
    they illegally released Dr. A's medical records and have been censured more than once by the
    AMA(?) The weight gain prior to death was directly related to the coma. That's indisputable.

    [censored]!

    Quoted message said:

    I know from personal family experience. And the heart trouble was apparently tied to a viral
    infection he suffered from some years prior.

    All of the physicans working for the Atkin's foundation will now come out of the woodwork and
    continue to claim how healthy and safe the Atkin's diet
    is/was!

    Just like the physicans that worked for the tobacco industry stated that cigarettes were not
    addictive and did not cause disease.

    Give a person money and they will swear to anything that you want them to, and say it is the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    My irritation with this is the (dis)information reported on and considered fact by many news orgs
    and the lack of respect to the Atkins family while his body is still warm.

    [censored] 'em, it's all about money, the family and members of his organization are raking in millions of
    dollars and don't want it to stop.

    If you want to pity someone, pity the poor suckers that bought into the Atkin's lie.

    Dashi

    Quoted message said:

    "Dashi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<C%YWb.17146$yE5.89462@attbi_s54>...

    Quoted message said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some forlorn
    figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or jelly or --
    someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than almost anything in
    the world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight.
    For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially, he died from a fall --
    slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time, his medical records show that he had a history
    of heart problems and was way overweight when he died. The people who run the Atkins diet
    industry insist that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his history of
    heart problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid buildup caused by the heart
    problems. This is their story and they're sticking to
    it.My story is that I've been on something like the Atkins diet for years. I say "something like"
    since I never actually read his diet book or consulted a doctor of any kind. I simply listened
    to what my friends were saying and cut out bread and pasta and started eating meat. It worked.
    I lost weight. Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I missed my bagel in the morning. And sure, I
    missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day. It was tough to give all that up. But in
    exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which is what I was not supposed to eat until
    Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came along and repealed all sorts of laws of nature or physics. I
    loved the guy. I could have bacon. This was Atkins's greatest gift. Not only was bacon
    suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the precursor of almost-instant death, but it
    was actually good for you. Every morning, I had three slices of delicious bacon. What a diet!
    On weekends, I sometimes had more than three slices, figuring that if three slices were good
    for me, six were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could drink each
    morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A group of
    anti-Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which
    advocates vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical examiner's report on
    Atkins's death and went to town with it. They raised all sorts of questions: Why the heart
    condition? Why was he so obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart problems? In other words,
    could you really eat fat and lose weight at the same time -- and stay healthy? After all, 72
    is not that old. For me -- and countless others -- much depends on the answer to that
    question, and I'm not talking about diet and health. I'm talking instead about gullibility,
    about wanting to believe something so badly that common sense got shoved aside. (Bacon,
    indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a believer. Here I was, all these years, the sort of
    person who laughed when some homophobe turned out to be gay or some cultural conservative was
    found in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at people who were always discovering that
    college sports were corrupt or that "fan" was just another word for sucker. Me? I floated
    above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in cynicism. Cynicism will never let
    you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious number from the church of
    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but it gave me something I
    wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my steak -- the
    fattier, the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by forswearing bread
    and pasta. Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his secret is out. He
    was fat and sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that also
    satisfies my newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works.
    [email hidden]

  18. "smiles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I agree with what you say US diet ... if we just dumped soda's (diet included) we would be much
    better off. Being an engineer

    I guess that explains your poor scientific knowledge.

    Just because you say it is cause and effect, doesn't make it true or factual.

    Dashi

    I use my bod as a

    Quoted message said:

    chemistry set from time to time (not adding chemicals ... just see it's reaction to foods) ...
    went on Atkins and lost weight, my breath always stunk and I would cramp easily, conclusion if the
    diet requires so much additional supplementation it's not great. I use to drink tons of sodas ...
    went to diet and did not lose weight ... went to water and 100% juice products, and lost weight,
    conclusion that although the diet sodas are only 1 cal they react with the body and cause limited
    to no weight loss.

    I think the key to our "bad" diet is Corn ... a food product used to fatten farm animals. Look at
    the labels, it's in just about everything!!! It's being used as a "natural sweetener" in just
    about everything ... like cranberry juice (it go tons of corn syrup in it).

    s boardnbike.comboardnbike.com

    "Ken Very Big Liar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Like this is supposed to be the Final Word. If you have ever seen Dr.


    Atkins on

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    TV and believed he weighed 258lbs, then you're a gullible fool. I guess


    the

    Quoted message said:

    proof of Atkins or South Beach or Dr. Phil (whatever diet he proposes) or


    anyone

    Quoted message said:

    else is in the pudding. If you loose weight and your lipid profiles are


    better

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    than what they were, well then there's nothing really to argue. I leave


    room in

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    my opinion for developing science, nothing is set in stone forever, but I


    think

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    that basically Atkins and et al are correct about the US diet - too many


    sugars

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    in the form of sodas and other junk foods and basic inactivity make us


    fat. I

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    mean, people went to low-fat diets and it just made Americans fatter, supposedly.

    As usual, there are people who will do anything to tear down someone


    else's

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    reputation (see Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) to further


    their

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    own cause.

    Dashi said:

    When Faith Is Toast By Richard Cohen Thursday, February 12, 2004; Page A37

    Near where I live is a marvelous bakery. Sometimes I stand outside the window, like some
    forlorn figure from Dickens, and watch people eat their bread, lathering it with butter or
    jelly or -- someone stop me! -- cream cheese on a toasted anything. I love bread more than
    almost anything in


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    world, but I will not have it, cannot have it, have not had it -- all on account of Robert
    Atkins, who died last year at the age of 72, weighing


    258

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    pounds, or 50 to 60 pounds overweight. For years, I've been on his diet.

    The circumstances of Atkins's death are somewhat in dispute. Officially,


    he

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    died from a fall -- slipped on ice and hit his head. At the same time,


    his

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medical records show that he had a history of heart problems and was way overweight when he
    died. The people who run the Atkins diet industry


    insist

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that nothing about the diet figured either in Atkins's death, or his


    history

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    of heart problems, and that his obesity at death was due to a fluid


    buildup

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    caused by the heart problems. This is their story and they're sticking to
    it.My story is that I've been on something like the Atkins diet for years. I say "something
    like" since I never actually read his diet book or


    consulted

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    Quoted message said:

    a doctor of any kind. I simply listened to what my friends were saying


    and

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    cut out bread and pasta and started eating meat. It worked. I lost


    weight.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sure, I missed my bread. Sure, I missed my bagel in the morning. And


    sure, I

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    missed my pasta, which I enjoyed at least once a day. It was tough to


    give

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    all that up. But in exchange, I got to eat meat, which meant steak, which


    is

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    what I was not supposed to eat until Dr. Atkins, blessed be he, came


    along

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and repealed all sorts of laws of nature or physics. I loved the guy. I could have bacon. This
    was Atkins's greatest gift. Not only was bacon suddenly okay and not, as it had been before, the
    precursor of almost-instant death, but it was actually good for you. Every morning, I


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    three slices of delicious bacon. What a diet! On weekends, I sometimes


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more than three slices, figuring that if three slices were good for me,


    six

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    were even better, a virtual fountain of youth from which I could drink


    each

    Quoted message said:
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    morning of a very, very long life. Now, all of that is being brought into question. A group of
    anti-Atkins guerrilla fighters, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    advocates vegetarian diets, got hold of the New York City medical


    examiner's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    report on Atkins's death and went to town with it. They raised all sorts


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    questions: Why the heart condition? Why was he so obese? Did his diet contribute to his heart
    problems? In other words, could you really eat


    fat

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    Quoted message said:

    and lose weight at the same time -- and stay healthy? After all, 72 is


    not

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    Quoted message said:

    that old. For me -- and countless others -- much depends on the answer to that question, and I'm
    not talking about diet and health. I'm talking instead about gullibility, about wanting to
    believe something so badly that


    common

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    Quoted message said:

    sense got shoved aside. (Bacon, indeed!) The Atkins diet made me into a believer. Here I was,
    all these years, the sort of person who laughed


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    some homophobe turned out to be gay or some cultural conservative was


    found

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the hay with a 16-year-old. I scoffed at people who were always discovering that college
    sports were corrupt or that "fan" was just


    another

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    word for sucker. Me? I floated above it all. I believed fully and without reservation in
    cynicism. Cynicism will never let you down. And yet every morning, I did my little religious
    number from the church


    of

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    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Atkins. I had my bacon. It made no sense -- not to me, anyway -- but


    it

    Quoted message said:
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    gave me something I wanted, which happened to be the bacon. Later in the day, I could have my
    steak -- the fattier, the better -- and take solace from the sacrifice I was making by
    forswearing bread and pasta. Now, I am experiencing a crisis of faith. Atkins is dead and his
    secret


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    out. He was fat and sick. I want to move on to a new diet, something with bread and pasta that
    also satisfies my newly reinforced cynicism. All I need is someone to tell me it works.
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    Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

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    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "ParsonsBri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    And I will say this - in my younger days very high protein and low carbs


    was

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    my regular diet and I was skinny as a rail and had cholesterol counts in


    the

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    teens. You can track my medical records and the more high carb diet I


    had

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    the high my cholesterol count was until I'm way over the limit now and I have a low protein/low
    fat diet.

    But everyone's metabolism shifts with age, so I don't think it's really


    fair to

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    use the fact that you ate steak eggs and hotdogs everyday at 18 and


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    the results you get with a more controlled diet now.

    Well, that's true but I had the same doctor for about 30 years and you can plot my cholesterol and
    it started up in my late 30's when I more or less changed to vegetarian diets.

  20. "Dashi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    If you want to pity someone, pity the poor suckers that bought into the Atkin's lie.

    I suppose you mean the millions of people who used his diet to lose weigh rapidly and safely. And
    those who discovered that just like he claimed, their cholesterol and lipid counts dropped to
    safe levels.

    I don't think that any diet that has extremes is good, but it is beyond question that the Atkins
    diet is effective and safe if you don't overdo it.

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