Athens Twighlight Crit Grid Qualifier question...

steevo said:

I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
definitely correct.

You are a Fred.

Quoted message said:

You are a Fred.

I'm guessing he's referring to doing the qualifier to get a start
position for the Athens Twilight crit. That would be anti-fredly.

steevo said:

I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
definitely correct.

you lost 38 watts between the hub and tire.

Quoted post said:

Quoted message said:

You are a Fred.

I'm guessing he's referring to doing the qualifier to get a start
position for the Athens Twilight crit.  That would be anti-fredly.

Dumbass -

Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

steevo said:

Quoted message said:

I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
definitely correct.

Amit Ghosh said:

you lost 38 watts between the hub and tire.

Try riding with a 3.2kg wheel.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

You are a Fred.

Fredburger has copyrighted the Fred trademark. Please refer to him
as Fred(tm).

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

ok, I will concede that point. Like today ... racing with some very
good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
as my grandfather's support hose.

.... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
of fredliness in my book.

On Apr 26, 10:15 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

ok, I will concede that point.  Like today ... racing with some very
good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
as my grandfather's support hose.

... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
of fredliness in my book.

I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
rain gear fit in?

Joseph

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On Apr 26, 10:15 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

Quoted message said:

ok, I will concede that point.  Like today ... racing with some very
good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
as my grandfather's support hose.

Quoted message said:

... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
of fredliness in my book.

I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
rain gear fit in?

It depends. Maybe there is a cycling activity that requires
helmet visors, or baggy day-glo vests, or Primal Wear jerseys.
I can't think of one, but maybe the people with those jerseys
know. The key point of fredliness is (in)appropriateness for
the task at hand. RBR explains it:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/afd0e321f4181faa

Ben
I am now and have always been a Fred.

steevo said:

I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
definitely correct.

Maybe it was rigged?

But seriously, this compu-trainer qualifying-heat concept is weird. Do any
other major races do this? It's kind of a flawed idea anyway... why is a 3
km stationary-bike TT is a good measure of who should get into the crit, or
where you should line up if you get in? Is it really just a side-show for
crowd entertainment?

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

Off The Back said:

Maybe it was rigged?

But seriously, this compu-trainer qualifying-heat concept is weird. Do any
other major races do this? It's kind of a flawed idea anyway... why is a 3
km stationary-bike TT is a good measure of who should get into the crit, or
where you should line up if you get in? Is it really just a side-show for
crowd entertainment?

Mark http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

When I first read the post, I thought he was talking about
doing the course on a compu-trainer, the way you can
ride up Alpe d'Huez on a compu-trainer (as long as you
put a block under the front wheel).

Then I checked (yes, I occasionally fact-check my rbr posts)
and found it was a real qualifying heat. I don't really get it
either, but it's probably a good way to get some sponsorship
from Compu-trainer and entertain some spectators in a
perverse way. I want to see pictures of it on cyclingnews,
at least.

Here's my question for the OP: Do you have to pin on a
number for a Computrainer heat?

Ben

On Apr 26, 3:45 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/afd0e321f4181faa

Dumbass -

Ahhh, the good old days.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Quoted post said:

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

ok, I will concede that point. Like today ... racing with some very
good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
as my grandfather's support hose.

... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
of fredliness in my book.

Oh, dearie me. I am sure that I am putting out
50 watts more than the dumb-[censored] computer says.

--
Michael Press

I bet these boys didn't do any compu-trainer qualifying!

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

Off The Back said:

But seriously, this compu-trainer qualifying-heat concept is weird. Do any
other major races do this? It's kind of a flawed idea anyway... why is a 3
km stationary-bike TT is a good measure of who should get into the crit,
or where you should line up if you get in? Is it really just a side-show
for crowd entertainment?

And it doesn't take power to weight ratio into account (unless they
normalize for weight afterwards ?).

Donald Munro said:

Off The Back said:

But seriously, this compu-trainer qualifying-heat concept is weird. Do any
other major races do this? It's kind of a flawed idea anyway... why is a3
km stationary-bike TT is a good measure of who should get into the crit,
or where you should line up if you get in? Is it really just a side-show
for crowd entertainment?

And it doesn't take power to weight ratio into account (unless they
normalize for weight afterwards ?).

Reminds me of an episode of a "the biggest loser" type show I saw.
(Yes I admit that I have watched portions of such drivel!) and there
was one guy who was about 2.10m tall and weighed 300kg or so. He was
monster big and strong in addition to being fat as hell. Anyway, one
of the "challenges" was who could ride farthest on a stationary bike.
He won, beating all of the miniature fat ladies. He was ecstatic. Duh.

Joseph

On Apr 27, 12:45 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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On Apr 26, 2:45 pm, "[email hidden]"

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On Apr 26, 10:15 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ok, I will concede that point.  Like today ... racing with some very
good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
as my grandfather's support hose.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
of fredliness in my book.

Quoted message said:

I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
rain gear fit in?

It depends.  Maybe there is a cycling activity that requires
helmet visors, or baggy day-glo vests, or Primal Wear jerseys.
I can't think of one, but maybe the people with those jerseys
know.  The key point of fredliness is (in)appropriateness for
the task at hand.  RBR explains it:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/afd0e321f4181faa

Ben
I am now and have always been a Fred.

That's way to relativistic for me. Some things are just wrong. Like
visors.

Joseph

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I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
rain gear fit in?

Joseph

How about carrying all your water for a hilly 63 mile RR?

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I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
rain gear fit in?

Joseph

How about carrying all your water for a hilly 63 mile RR?

That depends, what was the temperature?

Obtaining all of your hydration from rainwater dripping down your face:
hardcore.

Obtaining all of your hydration from sweat wicking off your competitors
in front of you: hardcore.

2 bottles in their cages, 3 bottles in your jersey pockets, two more
over the shoulder blades, 3 down the front of the jersey, 2 down the
shorts, and 1 between the teeth: hardcore.

Pretty much everything else: Fred.