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  1. Hi
    I know this sort of request comes up fairly regularly but I've searched
    google and don't see anything that quite answers my questions. Also, I
    guess this sort of thing changes fairly rapidly as new models come out etc.

    While I know something about touring bikes and tandems, I'm struggling when
    it comes to ATBs. I'm looking for my first bike now that I've moved
    somewhere a bit more rural. My requirements are:
    - a 'reasonable' bike that won't disintegrate in a year (I'm about 13st at
    the moment)
    - something that will cope with reasonably rough off-road tracks (but
    probably not jumps)
    - price around £500-700
    - hardtail (I'm assuming that rear suspension isn't worth it at that price).

    I've seen quite a few recommendations for Marin but I do wonder how much one
    is paying for the name. Would I be better getting something less well
    known?

    Also, how does ATB sizing work - is a 17" bike from Marin the same size as
    one from Trek? Is the recommendation just to go to the LBS and try it?

    Finally, any decent bike shops in the area between Bath and Salisbury?

    Thanks
    Mark

  2. Mark said:

    Hi
    I know this sort of request comes up fairly regularly but I've searched
    google and don't see anything that quite answers my questions. Also, I
    guess this sort of thing changes fairly rapidly as new models come out etc.

    While I know something about touring bikes and tandems, I'm struggling when
    it comes to ATBs. I'm looking for my first bike now that I've moved
    somewhere a bit more rural. My requirements are:
    - a 'reasonable' bike that won't disintegrate in a year (I'm about 13st at
    the moment)
    - something that will cope with reasonably rough off-road tracks (but
    probably not jumps)
    - price around £500-700
    - hardtail (I'm assuming that rear suspension isn't worth it at that price).

    I've seen quite a few recommendations for Marin but I do wonder how much one
    is paying for the name. Would I be better getting something less well
    known?

    Also, how does ATB sizing work - is a 17" bike from Marin the same size as
    one from Trek? Is the recommendation just to go to the LBS and try it?

    Finally, any decent bike shops in the area between Bath and Salisbury?

    Thanks
    Mark


    Hi Mark,
    your price range should allow you to buy a very reasonable bike. Apart
    from Marin I would have a look at Trek, Specialized, Cannondale & Kona.

    Kona used to have a frame designer called Joe Murray

    http://www.mtnbikehalloffame.com/inductees.cfm?page=99&mID=26

    He then worked with Voodoo cycles. I have a Voodoo Hoodoo which I find
    to be a superb singletrack and downhilling machine.

    IMO I would suggest; definately an aluminum frame, Marzocchi forks and
    Avid brakes.

    As I undrstand it, frame sizes relate to a hypothetical traditional
    frame with a horizontal top tube. It gives a point of reference between
    different frames of different designs.

    Always ride the bike before you buy it.

    Bike shops between Bath & Salisbury covers a large area. Which one are
    you closer to? Try Johns Bikes or Ultimate Sport in Bath.

    Hope that helps.

    Rob Horton.

  3. Mark said:

    Hi
    I know this sort of request comes up fairly regularly but I've searched
    google and don't see anything that quite answers my questions. Also, I
    guess this sort of thing changes fairly rapidly as new models come out etc.

    While I know something about touring bikes and tandems, I'm struggling when
    it comes to ATBs. I'm looking for my first bike now that I've moved
    somewhere a bit more rural. My requirements are:
    - a 'reasonable' bike that won't disintegrate in a year (I'm about 13st at
    the moment)
    - something that will cope with reasonably rough off-road tracks (but
    probably not jumps)
    - price around £500-700
    - hardtail (I'm assuming that rear suspension isn't worth it at that price).

    I've seen quite a few recommendations for Marin but I do wonder how much one
    is paying for the name. Would I be better getting something less well
    known?

    They are all much of a muchness, I bought a steel Rockhopper a couple of
    years ago at that price because I didn't want aluminium but other than
    that the components were the same brand to brand. The manufacturers are
    spending a lot to differentiate between rival brands but ultimately it
    is a diamond framed safety bike and if you could conduct a double blind
    test you wouldnt be able to tell IMO.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, how does ATB sizing work - is a 17" bike from Marin the same size as
    one from Trek? Is the recommendation just to go to the LBS and try it?

    Thats about the size of it. 🙂 The only way is to sit on it and ride it,
    at least thats what I told my GF, about getting a bike, of course.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Mark

    (') said:

    Hi
    I know this sort of request comes up fairly regularly but I've
    searched
    google and don't see anything that quite answers my questions. Also,
    I guess this sort of thing changes fairly rapidly as new models come
    out etc.

    While I know something about touring bikes and tandems, I'm struggling
    when
    it comes to ATBs. I'm looking for my first bike now that I've moved
    somewhere a bit more rural. My requirements are:
    - a 'reasonable' bike that won't disintegrate in a year (I'm about
    13st at the moment)
    - something that will cope with reasonably rough off-road tracks (but
    probably not jumps)
    - price around £500-700
    - hardtail (I'm assuming that rear suspension isn't worth it at that
    price).

    You're right. £700 will get you a very nice hard tail, but won't get you
    a full suspension bike worth having (unless you're very lucky with your
    deals).

    Having recently stripped a couple of RockShox forks and discussed them
    with friends and with my local LBS I would recommend against anything
    with RockShox up front - I was amazed by how flimsy and crude the ones
    I took to pieces were, and one friend who rides them has had to have
    his sent back to the importer under warranty twice. LBS man says that's
    his experience too - he gets lots of them coming back with problems.
    Marzocchi or Manitou are allegedly much better.

    For £700 you're just into the bottom of the Cannondale range - the F400.
    Whether it's worth going for a 'dale at this level is a bit doubtful;
    you get a brilliant frame, but they scrimp on the parts. If you can
    afford £1200 for a hardtail the F800 is a *lovely* bike, mind you...
    The very nice Orange Sub Zero is out of you bracket, as well, but the
    Orange Gringo (which I haven't seen) is in it.

    The Specialized Rockhoppers are the sort of Mondeo in this bracket.
    Ubiquitous, competent, not very exciting, but will do you. A lad I ride
    with regularly has a Giant XTC which seems a very competent bike for
    the money.

    Quoted message said:

    I've seen quite a few recommendations for Marin but I do wonder how
    much one
    is paying for the name. Would I be better getting something less well
    known?

    Hardtails people in the know are riding include Cove and On-One
    <URL:http://www.on-one.co.uk/index2.html>. But frankly with the big
    American brands you are saving as much through mass production as you
    are paying for the name. The smaller makes are produced in smaller
    numbers and tend to be more expensive.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, how does ATB sizing work - is a 17" bike from Marin the same
    size as
    one from Trek?

    No!

    Quoted message said:

    Is the recommendation just to go to the LBS and try
    it?

    Definitely.

    Oh - the other thing - there are definite bargains to be had second
    hand, people who go out and buy expensive bikes, ride them round the
    block a couple of times, and decide they don't like them. Try eBay.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; lovely alternative to rice.

  5. "Rob Horton" <yahoo.com@mr_horton> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Bike shops between Bath & Salisbury covers a large area. Which one are
    you closer to? Try Johns Bikes or Ultimate Sport in Bath.

    Thanks for the advice. I'm actually in Frome - about 15miles south of Bath
    but I'm often over in Salisbury.

    Mark

  6. Mark said:


    "Rob Horton" <yahoo.com@mr_horton> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Bike shops between Bath & Salisbury covers a large area. Which one are
    you closer to? Try Johns Bikes or Ultimate Sport in Bath.

    Thanks for the advice. I'm actually in Frome - about 15miles south of Bath
    but I'm often over in Salisbury.

    If you are often in Salisbury you should visit Stonehenge Cycles in
    Fisherton Street. IMO its one of the most friendly and helpful bike
    shops in the area.
    They stock a wide range of bikes and are very knowledgeable.
    you won't be sold anything that is at all unsuitable.
    We bought a Marin from them a few years ago for one of my daughters and
    its still going strong. It was roadified to cater for our specific
    needs, something that Pip Brown and crowd don't seem to mind doing.

    Also in Salisbury is Hayballs, which are more at the utility end of the
    market - I bought a Sam Brown belt from them yesterday.

    John B

  7. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Mark

    (') said:

    Also, how does ATB sizing work - is a 17" bike from Marin the same
    size as
    one from Trek?

    No!

    Quoted message said:

    Is the recommendation just to go to the LBS and try
    it?

    Definitely.

    Oh - the other thing - there are definite bargains to be had second
    hand, people who go out and buy expensive bikes, ride them round the
    block a couple of times, and decide they don't like them. Try eBay.

    Thanks for the response.

    Unfortunately, without knowing what size to get, eBay is a bit of a lottery.
    I guess I could try one in an LBS then buy from eBay but it just doesn't
    seem quite right to me.

    Mark

  8. "JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark said:


    "Rob Horton" <yahoo.com@mr_horton> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Bike shops between Bath & Salisbury covers a large area. Which one


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you closer to? Try Johns Bikes or Ultimate Sport in Bath.

    Thanks for the advice. I'm actually in Frome - about 15miles south of


    Bath

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but I'm often over in Salisbury.

    If you are often in Salisbury you should visit Stonehenge Cycles in
    Fisherton Street. IMO its one of the most friendly and helpful bike
    shops in the area.
    They stock a wide range of bikes and are very knowledgeable.
    you won't be sold anything that is at all unsuitable.
    We bought a Marin from them a few years ago for one of my daughters and
    its still going strong. It was roadified to cater for our specific
    needs, something that Pip Brown and crowd don't seem to mind doing.

    Also in Salisbury is Hayballs, which are more at the utility end of the
    market - I bought a Sam Brown belt from them yesterday.

    John B

    Seconded. I have used Stonehenge Cycles for years - Rod builds excellent
    wheels and their idea of customer service is the same if you want some shiny
    bits or a new wicker basket. Hayballs are a bit more towards the budget end
    of things but very helpful and do some really good value stuff from Falcon
    etc.

    HTH
    Julia

    Julia

  9. Mark' of said:

    Also, how does ATB sizing work - is a 17" bike from Marin the same size as
    one from Trek? Is the recommendation just to go to the LBS and try it?


    Definitely not, and yes. I'm a short person with short legs. Looking at
    14" frames Specialized were a good fit, some Kona models fit some were a bit
    tight, and a Marin was so big I couldn't ride it. The variation might not
    be as great on a frame that isn't at the extreme end of the range, but the
    only sensible advice is try before you buy.
    --
    Marriage is a wonderful invention; but, then again,
    so is a bicycle repair kit. - Billy Connolly
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