ASO vs UCI good for USA?

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

There's really nothing left to keep the UCI from scheduling events opposite
the TdF anymore, is there? And wouldn't the mere threat of doing so,
particularly in the USA, where the ASO really has no standing whatsoever, be
potentially effective in bringing the ASO back to the table?

Dumbass,

No.

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There's really nothing left to keep the UCI from scheduling events
opposite the TdF anymore, is there? And wouldn't the mere threat of doing
so, particularly in the USA, where the ASO really has no standing
whatsoever, be potentially effective in bringing the ASO back to the
table?

We've seen the Tour of California succeed despite all the reasons it can't
(Americans won't come out and watch a stage race, the media won't cover
it, and the best teams won't attend... all of which have been proven
false). The ASO has even had observers here for the race.

So what happens if the UCI decides to use what clout it has left and make
a big push for a big stage race in the US? You could even threaten to move
the Tour of California itself to a July spot (which initially would have
been difficult to get local support for during the busier summer months,
but now that the race has proven itself, might be fairly easy to do).

The UCI can talk all they want about broadening racing in Australian and
China, but the easiest, fastest way to strike a blow to the ASO would be
in the US.

This might be the sort of thing that could get Astana back into the TdF.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

ASO and the UCI are fighting for the life jackets and not the direction of
the ship that is pro cycling.

The reason Astana isn't in the tour is because Contador is connected to
puerto and the tour cannot afford another disgraced winner. Now, you can
make a technical argument that Cantador was cleared, but that is by the
spanish federation who are renowned as the Barney Fife of cycling sheriffs
and have a vested interest in Contador's success. I wouldn't bank my future
on their findings, you wouldn't, so why do you expect the ASO to do so?

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There's really nothing left to keep the UCI from scheduling events
opposite the TdF anymore, is there? And wouldn't the mere threat of doing
so, particularly in the USA, where the ASO really has no standing
whatsoever, be potentially effective in bringing the ASO back to the
table?

We've seen the Tour of California succeed despite all the reasons it can't
(Americans won't come out and watch a stage race, the media won't cover
it, and the best teams won't attend... all of which have been proven
false). The ASO has even had observers here for the race.

So what happens if the UCI decides to use what clout it has left and make
a big push for a big stage race in the US? You could even threaten to move
the Tour of California itself to a July spot (which initially would have
been difficult to get local support for during the busier summer months,
but now that the race has proven itself, might be fairly easy to do).

The UCI can talk all they want about broadening racing in Australian and
China, but the easiest, fastest way to strike a blow to the ASO would be
in the US.

This might be the sort of thing that could get Astana back into the TdF.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

What happens if/when the TdF comes back into the fold? Do they shove ToC
back to February?

[Smartass comment not intended to insult Mike's message] How about if we
offer RAAM to the UCI?

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" a écrit profondement:

| There's really nothing left to keep the UCI from scheduling events
opposite
| the TdF anymore, is there? And wouldn't the mere threat of doing so,
| particularly in the USA, where the ASO really has no standing
whatsoever, be
| potentially effective in bringing the ASO back to the table?
|
| We've seen the Tour of California succeed despite all the reasons it
can't
| (Americans won't come out and watch a stage race, the media won't cover
it,
| and the best teams won't attend... all of which have been proven false).
The
| ASO has even had observers here for the race.
|
| So what happens if the UCI decides to use what clout it has left and
make a
| big push for a big stage race in the US? You could even threaten to move
the
| Tour of California itself to a July spot (which initially would have
been
| difficult to get local support for during the busier summer months, but
now
| that the race has proven itself, might be fairly easy to do).
|
| The UCI can talk all they want about broadening racing in Australian and
| China, but the easiest, fastest way to strike a blow to the ASO would be
in
| the US.
|
| This might be the sort of thing that could get Astana back into the TdF.

Might work

Not the first season. But perhaps the 50th or 60th? Who knows?

Benjo

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The UCI can talk all they want about broadening racing in Australian and
China, but the easiest, fastest way to strike a blow to the ASO would be
in the US.

This might be the sort of thing that could get Astana back into the TdF.

What happens if/when the TdF comes back into the fold? Do they shove ToC
back to February?

[Smartass comment not intended to insult Mike's message] How about if we
offer RAAM to the UCI?

Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the next
year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in California than
there are in all of France these days.

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Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the
next year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in California
than there are in all of France these days.

Interesting idea, running it east one year, west the next. Not sure what
makes Lincoln NE so special that they get to see it each year though! :>😉

Not sure I get what you mean about California vs France. Are cyclists in
California "more serious" or do we have more (number of) serious cyclists?
Cycling is certainly better-tolerated (by non-cyclists) on the roads in
France than here in the US, which may have nothing to do with numbers of
participants, but it certainly feels like it's more a part of their culture
than it is here.

I think you'll find that, in the US, once you get away from the metropolitan
areas, cycling become very much a fringe thing. In France, I have yet to
find a region where that was the case.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Quoted message said:

The UCI can talk all they want about broadening racing in Australian and
China, but the easiest, fastest way to strike a blow to the ASO would be
in the US.

This might be the sort of thing that could get Astana back into the TdF.

What happens if/when the TdF comes back into the fold? Do they shove ToC
back to February?

[Smartass comment not intended to insult Mike's message] How about if we
offer RAAM to the UCI?

Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the
next year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in California
than there are in all of France these days.

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

There's really nothing left to keep the UCI from scheduling events opposite
the TdF anymore, is there?

There was never a rule forbidding a race to run concurrent with the
TdF, in fact there have been, but no organizer would want to schedule
a major race when it would be overshadowed by the tour.

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So what happens if the UCI decides to use what clout it has left and make a
big push for a big stage race in the US?

The UCI can't "make a push" for anything, because the UCI doesn't
organize [censored]. Gov. bodies sometimes approach an organizer to put on a
race, but the organizer has to be convinced it would be profitable
(maybe not immediately, but at some point - any sustainable event has
to be) for the race to actually happen.

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The UCI can talk all they want about broadening racing in Australian and
China, but the easiest, fastest way to strike a blow to the ASO would be in
the US.

You're oblivious about the dynamic. why would the UCI want to damage
the ASO ? The UCI is totally dependent on organizers like the ASO to
actually put on the races just like you are dependent on your
customers for business.

To an organizer the gov. body is simply a service provider, just like
there are service providers that provide portable toilets or barriers.
It just happens to sanction the race, license everybody, make the
rulebook, etc. If the ASO isn't happy with the service the UCI gives
them the ASO they can find another provider or create their own.

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Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the
next year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in California
than there are in all of France these days.

Interesting idea, running it east one year, west the next. Not sure what
makes Lincoln NE so special that they get to see it each year though! :>😉

Lincoln is very near the geographical center of the continental US.

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Not sure I get what you mean about California vs France. Are cyclists in
California "more serious" or do we have more (number of) serious cyclists?

Mike, unless you're around l'Tour you hardly ever see a serious cyclist in
France. Not that they aren't there but the numbers are tiny in comparison
even to California and appear to be dropping each year.

Quoted message said:

Cycling is certainly better-tolerated (by non-cyclists) on the roads in
France than here in the US, which may have nothing to do with numbers of
participants, but it certainly feels like it's more a part of their
culture than it is here.

That's something else altogether and you can see that things are improving
here as people see more and more cyclists and begin to understand how cycles
move about on the road. And those cyclists become more expert at avoiding
getting in driver's way where ever possible.

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I think you'll find that, in the US, once you get away from the
metropolitan areas, cycling become very much a fringe thing. In France, I
have yet to find a region where that was the case.

It is getting hard to find any place in the USA where you can't get Campy
parts.

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Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the
next year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in
California than there are in all of France these days.

Interesting idea, running it east one year, west the next. Not sure what
makes Lincoln NE so special that they get to see it each year though!
:>😉

Lincoln is very near the geographical center of the continental US.

Yes, I know that. That's why I used the smiley. Geography alone shouldn't be
enough to make them so worthy!

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Not sure I get what you mean about California vs France. Are cyclists in
California "more serious" or do we have more (number of) serious
cyclists?

Mike, unless you're around l'Tour you hardly ever see a serious cyclist in
France. Not that they aren't there but the numbers are tiny in comparison
even to California and appear to be dropping each year.

The numbers who attend their regular major cycling festivals are HUGE.
Sometimes numbering over 10,000. Their version of the DeathRide (La
Marmotte) is on a vastly greater scale than our DeathRide.

Of course, you might argue that a large percentage of the participants
aren't French, and you'd be correct. But I think the majority likely are.

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Cycling is certainly better-tolerated (by non-cyclists) on the roads in
France than here in the US, which may have nothing to do with numbers of
participants, but it certainly feels like it's more a part of their
culture than it is here.

That's something else altogether and you can see that things are improving
here as people see more and more cyclists and begin to understand how
cycles move about on the road. And those cyclists become more expert at
avoiding getting in driver's way where ever possible.

I thought that might be true... until this morning, as I was riding with the
Slipstream team (out our way, that would be Palo Alto in Northern
California), we had a surprising number of cars honk (nastily) at us. We
were a group of maybe 15-20, and doing a darned good job of keeping to the
side of the road. They apparently felt like they'd come across too many
cyclists and were tired of being inconvenienced for a few seconds. There's a
lot of local media coverage, so I would have thought many would think cool,
look at that, one of the racing teams out riding! But no.

Unfortunately, I think many of the cagers are going into "protect your turf"
mode.

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I think you'll find that, in the US, once you get away from the
metropolitan areas, cycling become very much a fringe thing. In France, I
have yet to find a region where that was the case.

It is getting hard to find any place in the USA where you can't get Campy
parts.

Tell that to somebody living in Colusa, California. California, the land
where everybody bikes. If you take away the migrant farm workers who use
45-lb $130 "mountain" bikes from WalMart, you'll find maybe 3 cyclists in
all of Colusa County. And that's only if I'm visiting relatives. And
bringing my son.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Tom Kunich said:

Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the
next year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in California
than there are in all of France these days.

Are fatty masters serious cyclists ? I suppose they do take themselves
seriously.

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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

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Mike, unless you're around l'Tour you hardly ever see a serious cyclist in
France. Not that they aren't there but the numbers are tiny in comparison
even to California and appear to be dropping each year.

The numbers who attend their regular major cycling festivals are HUGE.
Sometimes numbering over 10,000. Their version of the DeathRide (La
Marmotte) is on a vastly greater scale than our DeathRide.

Of course, you might argue that a large percentage of the participants
aren't French, and you'd be correct. But I think the majority likely are.

I'm not sure where Tom gets his stats but I suspect you're probably much closer to
reality on this.

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Cycling is certainly better-tolerated (by non-cyclists) on the roads in
France than here in the US, which may have nothing to do with numbers of
participants, but it certainly feels like it's more a part of their
culture than it is here.

That's something else altogether and you can see that things are improving
here as people see more and more cyclists and begin to understand how
cycles move about on the road. And those cyclists become more expert at
avoiding getting in driver's way where ever possible.

I thought that might be true... until this morning, as I was riding with the
Slipstream team (out our way, that would be Palo Alto in Northern
California), we had a surprising number of cars honk (nastily) at us. We
were a group of maybe 15-20, and doing a darned good job of keeping to the
side of the road. They apparently felt like they'd come across too many
cyclists and were tired of being inconvenienced for a few seconds. There's a
lot of local media coverage, so I would have thought many would think cool,
look at that, one of the racing teams out riding! But no.

Unfortunately, I think many of the cagers are going into "protect your turf"
mode.

I've never understood why people in cars don't seem to understand that after they
get by a bike or group of bikes, all they need to do is press that right foot down a
little harder for a few seconds and they'll be right back where they think they
should be on the road.

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Quoted message said:

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I think you'll find that, in the US, once you get away from the
metropolitan areas, cycling become very much a fringe thing. In France, I
have yet to find a region where that was the case.

It is getting hard to find any place in the USA where you can't get Campy
parts.

Tell that to somebody living in Colusa, California. California, the land
where everybody bikes. If you take away the migrant farm workers who use
45-lb $130 "mountain" bikes from WalMart, you'll find maybe 3 cyclists in
all of Colusa County. And that's only if I'm visiting relatives. And
bringing my son.

Yeah, I'm sure one ould go into a bike shop out there and get some Record cranks...

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> Think about this - the Tour of the United States that starts perhaps in
> Lincoln, NE and goes to the west coast one July and the east coast the
> next year. The fact is that there are more serious cyclists in
> California than there are in all of France these days.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Interesting idea, running it east one year, west the next. Not sure what
makes Lincoln NE so special that they get to see it each year though!
:>😉

Quoted message said:

Lincoln is very near the geographical center of the continental US.

Yes, I know that. That's why I used the smiley. Geography alone shouldn't be
enough to make them so worthy!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not sure I get what you mean about California vs France. Are cyclists in
California "more serious" or do we have more (number of) serious
cyclists?

Quoted message said:

Mike, unless you're around l'Tour you hardly ever see a serious cyclist in
France. Not that they aren't there but the numbers are tiny in comparison
even to California and appear to be dropping each year.

The numbers who attend their regular major cycling festivals are HUGE.
Sometimes numbering over 10,000. Their version of the DeathRide (La
Marmotte) is on a vastly greater scale than our DeathRide.

Dumbasses,

It doesn't matter how many "serious cyclists" there are
in France versus Santa Rosa.

You get the crazy Dutch crowd to show up in Lincoln,
Nebraska and leave their corner at Alpe d'Huez vacant,
that's when a US race will be in competition with the Tour.

It doesn't matter whether Levi or Contador or
Cadel Evans-for-gods-sake is in the race any given
year. It matters where the spectacle is.

Ben

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You get the crazy Dutch crowd to show up in Lincoln,
Nebraska and leave their corner at Alpe d'Huez vacant,
that's when a US race will be in competition with the Tour.

Now there's a perfect example of why losers like you will never understand
the world around you. Let's see, should I go to a big party three hours
drive away or a continent away in a country that costs an arm and a leg to
tour?

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You get the crazy Dutch crowd to show up in Lincoln,
Nebraska and leave their corner at Alpe d'Huez vacant,
that's when a US race will be in competition with the Tour.

Now there's a perfect example of why losers like you will never understand
the world around you. Let's see, should I go to a big party three hours
drive away or a continent away in a country that costs an arm and a leg to
tour?

You haven't been invited to many parties, have you?

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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You get the crazy Dutch crowd to show up in Lincoln,
Nebraska and leave their corner at Alpe d'Huez vacant,
that's when a US race will be in competition with the Tour.

Now there's a perfect example of why losers like you will never understand
the world around you. Let's see, should I go to a big party three hours
drive away or a continent away in a country that costs an arm and a leg to
tour?

Is that a serious question?

Have you BEEN to the Dutch corner on Alpe d'Huez?

I don't even drink and yet that's the place you just gotta be, at least once
in your life.

It's the difference between a walk-on part in a war vs the lead role in a
cage.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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You get the crazy Dutch crowd to show up in Lincoln,
Nebraska and leave their corner at Alpe d'Huez vacant,
that's when a US race will be in competition with the Tour.

Quoted message said:

Now there's a perfect example of why losers like you will never understand
the world around you. Let's see, should I go to a big party three hours
drive away or a continent away in a country that costs an arm and a leg to
tour?

Is that a serious question?

Have you BEEN to the Dutch corner on Alpe d'Huez?

I don't even drink and yet that's the place you just gotta be, at least once
in your life.

It's the difference between a walk-on part in a war vs the lead role in a
cage.

dumbass,

for the koach watching the Tour is no different than watching the
solvang century. hotel room TVs are the same everywhere.