ASDH, chelation and safety

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You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such things a chelation for ASHD, etc.
do not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they have it but don't pursue
treatment that's actually effective.

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Subject: Re: ASDH, chelation and safety
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 5:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
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You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such things a chelation for ASHD,
etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they have it but don't
pursue treatment that's actually effective.

As in, We can find nothing wrong. It isn't in the little black receipe book.

It's all in you head, you imagined it.

Jan

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Subject: Re: ASDH, chelation and safety
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/2/2004 9:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
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The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they have it but don't
pursue treatment that's actually effective.

Jan says

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As in, We can find nothing wrong. It isn't in the little black receipe book.

It's all in you head, you imagined it.

Jan

as in....blood lipids are high..smoker..overweight..male..family history and MAYBE chest pain...

but seeks chelation,,not definitive care

yeah..something was wrong...diagnosed accurately....but chump chose "altie" chelation instead
of real care

YOU imagined YOUR probs perhaps...perhaps due to their imaginary nature

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: ASDH, chelation and safety From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden] Date: 3/2/2004
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> You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such things a chelation for ASHD,
> etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they have it but don't
pursue treatment that's actually effective.

As in, We can find nothing wrong. It isn't in the little black receipe book.

It's all in you head, you imagined it.

Jan

Jan, I suffer from a somatization disorder. I have anxiety attacks. It is all in my head. It is
real. Please stop saying that things that are only in the head are not real.

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> >
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> > Why do you stress 'efficacy' rather than 'safety'?
> >
> > Do you understand that for many who go in search of alternative solutions, safety is far
> > and away the more serious concern?
> >
> > And that for some of them, this is because of having had

unfortunate

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> > exeriences from within the medical system.
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> Yes, the treatment was 100% safe, and the patient died.

Not if the patient's condition was mild, and chronic, rather than at any acute stage.

You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such things a chelation for ASHD,
etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Arteriosclerotic heart disease. todya, the treatment that is used is CABG, coronary artery bypass
grafting, which has been shown to be effective in restoring blood flow to the myocardium (the
heart muscle)..

The alternative approach is chelation which has never been shown to increase blood flow or decrease
the amount of narrowing of coronary vessels.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The people who die are those who suffer a massive coronary thinking that chelation has cured the
underlying disease. Ihave looked at dozen of webistes where chelation is offered and I have yet to
see a disclaimer where the salesperson/doctor says that chelation has never been shown to open
narrowed arteries.

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Eric Bohlman said:

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You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such things a chelation for ASHD,
etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

In fact, in men, for the majority of patients with atherosclerotic heart disease, the first symptom
is a heart attack (nonfatal or fatal).

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they have it but don't
pursue treatment that's actually effective.

Yep.

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> > Yes, the treatment was 100% safe, and the patient
> > died.
>
> Not if the patient's condition was mild, and
> chronic, rather than at any acute stage.

You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who
sell such things a chelation for ASHD, etc. do not. In
those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would
be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Arteriosclerotic heart disease. todya, the treatment that
is used is CABG, coronary artery bypass grafting, which
has been shown to be effective in restoring blood flow to
the myocardium (the heart muscle)..

Then it is a serious, rather than a mild condition,
particularly by the time such an operation is being
considered.

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The alternative approach is chelation which has never been
shown to increase blood flow or decrease the amount of
narrowing of coronary vessels.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The people who die are those who suffer a massive coronary
thinking that chelation has cured the underlying disease.
Ihave looked at dozen of webistes where chelation is
offered and I have yet to see a disclaimer where the
salesperson/doctor says that chelation has never been
shown to open narrowed arteries.

Then, based on what you are saying only, it sounds as if a
disclaimer with words to that effect would be a good idea.

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> > > Yes, the treatment was 100% safe, and the
> > > patient died.
> >
> > Not if the patient's condition was mild, and
> > chronic, rather than at any acute stage.
>
> You may make that distinction, but the charlatans
> who sell such things a chelation for ASHD, etc. do
> not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that
would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Arteriosclerotic heart disease. todya, the treatment
that is used is CABG, coronary artery bypass grafting,
which has been shown to be effective in restoring blood
flow to the myocardium (the heart muscle)..

Then it is a serious, rather than a mild condition,
particularly by the time such an operation is being
considered.

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The alternative approach is chelation which has never
been shown to increase blood flow or decrease the amount
of narrowing of coronary vessels.

Quoted message said:

Who are the people that die, and why?

The people who die are those who suffer a massive
coronary thinking that chelation has cured the
underlying disease. Ihave looked at dozen of webistes
where chelation is offered and I have yet to see a
disclaimer where the salesperson/doctor says that
chelation has never been shown to open narrowed
arteries.

Then, based on what you are saying only, it sounds as if a
disclaimer with words to that effect would be a good idea.

Agreed. However, they do not do it, unless forced by the
licensing authority.

Ms. Drew has chortled for months about dentists in
Calaifornia having to post a disclaimer wrt
amalgams, but, steadfastly denied that the one
infamous docotor who did chelation without a
disclaimer did anything wrong.

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