ASDH, chelation and safety

[email hidden] (toby jones) wrote in
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You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such
things a chelation for ASHD, etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies
can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they
have it but don't pursue treatment that's actually effective.

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Subject: Re: ASDH, chelation and safety
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 5:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
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[email hidden] (toby jones) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such
things a chelation for ASHD, etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies
can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they
have it but don't pursue treatment that's actually effective.

As in, We can find nothing wrong. It isn't in the little black receipe book.

It's all in you head, you imagined it.

Jan

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Subject: Re: ASDH, chelation and safety
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/2/2004 9:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they
have it but don't pursue treatment that's actually effective.

Jan says

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As in, We can find nothing wrong. It isn't in the little black receipe book.

It's all in you head, you imagined it.

Jan

as in....blood lipids are high..smoker..overweight..male..family history and
MAYBE chest pain...

but seeks chelation,,not definitive care

yeah..something was wrong...diagnosed accurately....but chump chose "altie"
chelation instead of real care

YOU imagined YOUR probs perhaps...perhaps due to their imaginary nature

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: ASDH, chelation and safety
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 5:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
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[email hidden] (toby jones) wrote in
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> You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such
> things a chelation for ASHD, etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies
> can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they
have it but don't pursue treatment that's actually effective.

As in, We can find nothing wrong. It isn't in the little black receipe book.

It's all in you head, you imagined it.

Jan

Jan, I suffer from a somatization disorder. I have anxiety attacks. It
is all in my head. It is real. Please stop saying that things that are
only in the head are not real.

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From: "Mark Probert-March 2, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:51 AM
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"toby jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Why do you stress 'efficacy' rather than 'safety'?
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> > Do you understand that for many who go in search of alternative
> > solutions, safety is far and away the more serious concern?
> >
> > And that for some of them, this is because of having had

unfortunate

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> > exeriences from within the medical system.
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> Yes, the treatment was 100% safe, and the patient died.

Not if the patient's condition was mild, and chronic, rather than at
any acute stage.

You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such things a
chelation for ASHD, etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Arteriosclerotic heart disease. todya, the treatment that is used is CABG,
coronary artery bypass grafting, which has been shown to be effective in
restoring blood flow to the myocardium (the heart muscle)..

The alternative approach is chelation which has never been shown to increase
blood flow or decrease the amount of narrowing of coronary vessels.

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The people who die are those who suffer a massive coronary thinking that
chelation has cured the underlying disease. Ihave looked at dozen of
webistes where chelation is offered and I have yet to see a disclaimer where
the salesperson/doctor says that chelation has never been shown to open
narrowed arteries.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Eric Bohlman said:

[email hidden] (toby jones) wrote in
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You may make that distinction, but the charlatans who sell such
things a chelation for ASHD, etc. do not. In those cases, the bodies
can pile up.

If you could clarify the situation, briefly, that would be helpful.

Is that a mild, chronic illness?

Chronic yes, mild no. The first symptom is often a fatal heart attack.

In fact, in men, for the majority of patients with atherosclerotic heart
disease, the first symptom is a heart attack (nonfatal or fatal).

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Who are the people that die, and why?

The ones who don't know they have the condition, and the ones who know they
have it but don't pursue treatment that's actually effective.

Yep.

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