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  1. I remember reading that ascorbic acid alone would not cure scurvey, but
    citrus juice would...because the ascorbic acid was just a 'bodyguard'
    for tyrosinase & other things and has no real nutritional value. ive
    heard people preach the dangers and the wonders of taking ascorbic
    acid. ide be thankful if someone could point me to some solid science
    backed info, rather than just opitions..

    ive also read that a 'right spin' L-ascorbic acid is the type of
    ascorbic acid that has value in the human body... would anyone care to
    comment on that aand again, point me towards some solid info?

    thanks alot

  2. Nature's blends usually know best for the body.

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    I remember reading that ascorbic acid alone would not cure scurvey, but
    citrus juice would...because the ascorbic acid was just a 'bodyguard'
    for tyrosinase & other things and has no real nutritional value. ive
    heard people preach the dangers and the wonders of taking ascorbic
    acid. ide be thankful if someone could point me to some solid science
    backed info, rather than just opitions..

    ive also read that a 'right spin' L-ascorbic acid is the type of
    ascorbic acid that has value in the human body... would anyone care to
    comment on that aand again, point me towards some solid info?

    thanks alot

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    I remember reading that ascorbic acid alone would not cure scurvey, but
    citrus juice would...because the ascorbic acid was just a 'bodyguard'
    for tyrosinase & other things and has no real nutritional value. ive
    heard people preach the dangers and the wonders of taking ascorbic
    acid. ide be thankful if someone could point me to some solid science
    backed info, rather than just opitions..

    This information is not correct. its most often heard from
    supplement-manufacturers who want to sell their berry-extracts. Ascorbic
    acid alone is routinely used to cure scurvey for years, there is not a doubt
    that it is a vitamin (which is, per definition, something "vital"😉.

    Vitamin C has not all to many dangers as long as its taken in somewhat
    reasonable ammounts..
    diarrhea is associated with overdoses;
    forming of renal stones (oxalate stones) is in discussion as well.
    Generally vitamin C is not much of a risk when it comes to overdosing due to
    good water soluability.

    It does not work wonders, however it does have a broad palette of functions
    from stabilizing prolylhydroxylases (in connective tissue, in the hypoxia
    inducible factor pathway etc), stabilizing tetrahydrobiopterin in the NOS
    signaling pathway and acting as an antioxidant and a regenerator for
    tocopherol. This does not mean that taking huge ammounts of it will do all
    these things better.. most ascorbic acid above a certain level in a megadose
    is simply excreted.

    its like when people are building a house..
    it won't be finished faster just because you supply the tenfold ammount of
    working material needed.

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    ive also read that a 'right spin' L-ascorbic acid is the type of
    ascorbic acid that has value in the human body... would anyone care to
    comment on that aand again, point me towards some solid info?

    Vitamin C is a group of chemical substances with vitamin c activity.
    Those are:
    Dehydroascorbic acid, L-ascorbic acid, D-ascorbic acid.

    L-ascorbic acid is the one we refer to usually when saying "ascorbic acid"
    or "vitamin C" in a clinical context, it has the strongest bioactivity.
    The enantiomer with very small vitamin C bioactivity is D-ascorbic acid-
    maybe thats what they meant.
    Dehydroascorbic acid (DHA) is a metabolite of ascorbic acid decomposition
    with smaller bioactivity than ascorbic acid and way shorter half-life (gets
    oxidized quickly).
    (D and L nomenclature is old nomenclature and almost exclusively used for
    sugar chemistry- R and S nomenclature should be used generally)

    With right spin and left spin they probably meant the optical activity (the
    rotation of polarized light caused by interaction with the molecules).

    In chemical terminology they are written with (+) or "d" (notice: no caps)
    for right spin or clockwise spin and (-) or "l" for left spin or
    counterclockwise spin of polarized light passing through the molecules.
    L(+)ascorbic acid is "L-ascorbic acid", so the biologically active form of
    ascorbic acid spins polarized light clockwise (right). The other form is the
    D(-)ascorbic acid and spins light left.

    You should find the above information (and more on it) in any textbook on
    organic chemistry and in some biochemistry textbooks as well.

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    thanks alot

  4. awsome.. thats exactly what i wanted to hear. thanks man

  5. That is just not true.

    Vitamin C doesn't do half the job that the included biflavenoids along with
    vitamin C does. They are synergetic and vitamin C alone does a very poorjob
    of healing tissues if at all.

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    awsome.. thats exactly what i wanted to hear. thanks man

  6. proof, anyone?

  7. Pizza Girl. said:

    vitamin C alone does a very poorjob
    of healing tissues if at all.

    Pure ascorbic acid worked for me! It cured my gum bleeding problems
    (otherwise known as modern borderline scurvy from eating a fast food
    diet) practically overnight.

    Just thought that you might want to know, fruit.

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    Pure ascorbic acid worked for me! It cured my gum bleeding problems


    (otherwise known as modern borderline scurvy from eating a fast food
    diet) practically overnight. <<

    COMMENT:

    Must've been back when you had teeth. Inasmuch as toothless people
    don't get gum bleeding from scurvy.

    SBH

  9. That was just a rumour he spread around about himself to get the price for
    his services up.

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
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    Pure ascorbic acid worked for me! It cured my gum bleeding problems


    (otherwise known as modern borderline scurvy from eating a fast food
    diet) practically overnight. <<

    COMMENT:

    Must've been back when you had teeth. Inasmuch as toothless people
    don't get gum bleeding from scurvy.

    SBH

  10. have you visited http://www.vitamincfoundation.org ?

  11. try to find out how much vitamin c is produced daily by animals, this
    is the sort of quantity that you will need to improve health. You will
    be surprised at the amount of vitamin c that our organs need to
    function properly, especially adrenals, pituitary,brain, eyes, thyroid
    and liver.

  12. "noz" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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    try to find out how much vitamin c is produced daily by animals, this
    is the sort of quantity that you will need to improve health. You will
    be surprised at the amount of vitamin c that our organs need to
    function properly, especially adrenals, pituitary,brain, eyes, thyroid
    and liver.

    this is a theory, not a fact.

  13. that animals make their own vitamin c ?

  14. all animals but humans and guinea pigs and coincidentally the only animals
    that have chloresterol problems.

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    that animals make their own vitamin c ?

  15. "noz" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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    that animals make their own vitamin c ?

    no, the interpolation thing.
    you just can't compare different species in such a way without taking other
    factors into account.
    we adopted to having no ability to synthesize ascorbic acid over thousands
    of years.. its very unprobable that we will have the same need as animals
    that can readily synthesize it.

  16. Vitamin C is needed for oxidative phosphorylation. We still do that, so
    we still need vitamin C.
    Vitamin C was found to be necessary for cellular respiration in 1928,
    the chap got a Nobel for it.

  17. "noz" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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    Vitamin C is needed for oxidative phosphorylation. We still do that, so
    we still need vitamin C.
    Vitamin C was found to be necessary for cellular respiration in 1928,
    the chap got a Nobel for it.

    Where did I say it wasn't needed? I talked about quantities.

  18. That's exactly it, most people don't know they need vitamin C to
    breathe, (that's why most respiratory disorders improve with vitamin
    C). When one takes this into account , the quantities for health can
    worked out.
    The concentration of vitamin C needed for adrenal function exceeds
    that of the plasma by 100x, as does pituitary need. You simply cannot
    supply the organs with enough vitamin C, if you take RDA quantities,
    that raise plasma concentrations slightly.

  19. "noz" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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    That's exactly it, most people don't know they need vitamin C to
    breathe, (that's why most respiratory disorders improve with vitamin
    C). When one takes this into account , the quantities for health can
    worked out.
    The concentration of vitamin C needed for adrenal function exceeds
    that of the plasma by 100x, as does pituitary need. You simply cannot
    supply the organs with enough vitamin C, if you take RDA quantities,
    that raise plasma concentrations slightly.

    citation?

  20. 1928 ? Szent-Gyorgyi got a nobel prize for discovering vitamin C is
    necessary for cellular respiration.

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