Asbestos ON TOPIC

Depends on what you define as 'harm'
Anth

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Which harms citizens more, amalgamitis, or asbestosis and
mesothelioma?

Hey Jan!

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Which harms citizens more, amalgamitis, or asbestosis and
mesothelioma?

An interesting question! I was immediately tempted to take the
position that a "real" disease harms more than an imagined disease, but I am
willing to bet that a shrink would take serious issue with that notion.

It seems to be my fate to always be around people with lung problems
(wife you know about, mother died of TB/asthma) and I am certainly more
sensitive to the danger of lung diseases than the average person. I have a
good friend in the hospital this week with lung damage apparently caused
from a home cleaning project. His condition is terrifying. You ARE what
you BREATHE!

Vaughn

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Depends on what you define as 'harm'
Anth

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Which harms citizens more, amalgamitis, or asbestosis and
mesothelioma?

Hey Jan!

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Well some people can be exposed to asbestos and never develop cancer, some
people do.
Some people can be exposed to mercury and show no toxicity, whereas some do.
Anth

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Depends on what you define as 'harm'
Anth

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Which harms citizens more, amalgamitis, or asbestosis and
mesothelioma?

Hey Jan!

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Philadelphia PA

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If you are talking absolutes...
Exposure to no asbestos is safe
Exposure to no mercury is safe.
Anth

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Which harms citizens more, amalgamitis, or asbestosis and
mesothelioma?

Hey Jan!

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Well some people can be exposed to asbestos and never develop cancer, some
people do.

Correct.

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Some people can be exposed to mercury and show no toxicity, whereas some

do.

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Anth

Incorrect. All persons exposed to a sufficiently large dose of mercury will
suffer toxic effects. At sufficiently low doses, none of those exposed will
be harmed. There is some variability in the dose threshold from person to
person, but the difference is not large.

--Rich

What do you mean by harmed?
Anth

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The biggest difference is that mesothelioma and asbestosis take years
sometimes decades and always move inexexorably towards death.

Amalgam poisoning can be improved overnight. Jan Drew almost died yet
the very next day she felt much better and jumped off her deathbed to
go Line Dancing .......

Of course you cannot do this without the help of a g-o-o-o-o-d
alt.practitioner who can SELL you your medicine.

Joel

Anth said:

Well some people can be exposed to asbestos and never develop cancer, some
people do.
Some people can be exposed to mercury and show no toxicity, whereas some do.
Anth

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Depends on what you define as 'harm'
Anth

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> mesothelioma?
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> Philadelphia PA
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UM, so rich, you do not think a sufficiently large "dose" of asbestos will
suffer from it? Interesting............
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Well some people can be exposed to asbestos and never develop cancer,

some

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people do.

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Some people can be exposed to mercury and show no toxicity, whereas some

do.

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Anth

Incorrect. All persons exposed to a sufficiently large dose of mercury

will

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suffer toxic effects. At sufficiently low doses, none of those exposed

will

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be harmed. There is some variability in the dose threshold from person to
person, but the difference is not large.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Asbestos ON TOPIC
From: "David" [email hidden]
Date: 8/29/2003 5:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
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UM, so rich, you do not think a sufficiently large "dose" of asbestos will
suffer from it? Interesting............
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Well some people can be exposed to asbestos and never develop cancer,

some

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people do.

Correct.

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Some people can be exposed to mercury and show no toxicity, whereas some

do.

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Anth

Incorrect. All persons exposed to a sufficiently large dose of mercury

will

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suffer toxic effects. At sufficiently low doses, none of those exposed

will

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be harmed

WRONG!! The is LIES put forth by organized medicine and dentistry!!

The fact is given independently by Bernie Windham with references
below:
(329) B. Arvidson et al, Acta Neurol Scand, "Retrograde axonal
transport of mercury in primary sensory neurons" 1990,82:324-237 &
Neurosci Letters, 1990, 115:29-32; & S.M. Candura et al, "Effects of
mercuric chloride and methyl mercury on cholinergic neuromuscular
transmission", Pharmacol Toxicol 1997; 80(5): 218-24; & Castoldi AF et
al, "Interaction of mercury compounds with muscarinic receptor
subtypes in the rat brain", Neurotoxicology 1996; 17(3-4): 735-41; & C
Rouleau et al, Environmental Science and Technology, Oct 1, 1999; &
Arvidson B; Arvidsson J; Johansson K, "Mercury Deposits in Neurons of
the Trigeminal Ganglia After Insertion of Dental Amalgam in Rats",
Biometals; 7 (3) p261-263 1994

(327) G. Danscher et al, Environ Res, "Localization of mercury in the
CNS", 1986, 41:29-43; & Danscher G; Horsted-Bindslev P; Rungby J.

**Traces of mercury in organs from primates with amalgam fillings.**

Exp
Mol Pathol 1990;52(3):291-9; & "Ultrastructural localization of
mercury after exposure to mercury vapor", Prog Histochem Cytochem,
1991, 23:249-255; & R.Pamphlett et al,

**"Entry of low doses of mercury
vapor into the nervous system", ***Neurotoxicology, 1998, 19(1):39-47; &
Pamphlett et al, "Oxidative damage to nucleic acids in motor neurons
containing Hg", J Neurol Sci,1998,159(2):121-6. (rats & primates); &
Pamphlett R, Waley P, "Motor Neuron

**Uptake of Low Dose Inorganic
Mercury",** J. Neurological Sciences 135: 63-67 (1996); & Schionning JD,
Danscher G, "Autometallographic inorganic mercury correlates with
degenerative changes in dorsal root ganglia of rats intoxicated with
organic mercury", APMIS 1999 Mar;107(3):303-10

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_
uids=11516521&dopt=Abstract

Mercury vapor released from a single amalgam restoration in pregnant rats and
mercury concentrations in maternal and fetal rat tissues were studied.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_
uids=11354345&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_
uids=10581685&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_
uids=9707169&dopt=Abstract

Neurobehavioral effects from exposure to dental amalgam Hg(o): new distinctions
between recent exposure and Hg body burden.

Echeverria D, Aposhian HV, Woods JS, Heyer NJ, Aposhian MM, Bittner AC Jr,
Mahurin RK, Cianciola M.

Battelle Centers for Public Health Research and Evaluation, Seattle, Washington
98105, USA.

Potential toxicity from exposure to mercury vapor (Hg(o)) from dental amalgam
fillings is the subject of current public health debate in many countries. We
evaluated potential central nervous system (CNS) toxicity associated with
handling Hg-containing amalgam materials among dental personnel with

**very low levels **

of Hg(o) exposure (i.e., urinary Hg <4 microg/l), applying a neurobehavioral
test battery to evaluate CNS functions in relation to both recent exposure and
Hg body burden. New distinctions between subtle preclinical effects on
symptoms, mood, motor function, and cognition were found associated with Hg
body burden as compared with those associated with recent exposure. The pattern
of results, comparable to findings previously reported among subjects with
urinary Hg >50 microg/l, presents

**convincing new evidence of adverse behavioral effects associated with low
Hg(o) exposures within the range of that received by the general population.**

The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in
human tissues makes

***any and all ***

exposure to that element of scientific

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interest.

There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after

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placement,

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results in the release of Hg into the patient's body.

Whether the Hg is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl ater

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corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a

**low level Hg release continues for years.**

An identical situation arises when alcohol is
diluted by water." 3

**Research has shown that mercury even in extremely small
amounts has toxic effects, for example, low dose mercury exposure has been
shown to produce neurological pathology, cytotoxicity to nerve tissue.4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15 We find it particularly disturbing that the ADA has made
such a blanket statement without any scientific support. ***

The definitition of Chronic Mercury toxicity also called micromercurlism is
caused by

**low doses of mercury vapors inhaled over extended periods of
time. These vapors result in a neurological symptoms.***

For starters, there is much more.

Jan

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