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  1. Enough to blow a gasket over in Tosspotland ;-)

    http://www.bikebiz.com/daily-news/article.php?id=5381

    "Monday 21st March 2005
    Half of all car trips could be history, no need for infrastructure tweaks
    A major survey of travel behaviour in three English cities has revealed the
    bigger-than-expected potential for reducing traffic and tackling congestion
    through relatively small and simple changes to people's daily travel
    patterns. The research, conducted by Socialdata in collaboration with
    Sustrans, showed that walking, cycling or public transport provide a
    practical alternative for most people.
    Twelve thousand people in Darlington, Peterborough and Worcester were
    surveyed and the results provide a snapshot of how people travel and he
    changes that are possible to improve the quality of life for everyone.

    In a typical week, residents of the three towns spend an average of one hour
    every day travelling and travel a distance of around 13 miles each. The
    greatest proportion of trips are made for leisure reasons, with shopping and
    work each accounting for around one in five trips and one in ten trips are
    for school or educational reasons. Around 25 percent of all trips are made
    on foot, 8 percent by public transport and 3 percent by bike. Nearly
    two-thirds of trips are in a car with 43 percent as a driver and 22 percent
    as a passenger.

    Around 30 percent of car trips in each town were no longer than 2 miles, and
    the majority were within the towns surveyed.

    But, while the evidence suggests an ongoing reliance on the car, Sustrans'
    researchers discovered that nearly all residents are unhappy with the
    increased traffic and support sustainable alternatives to car travel
    including public transport, cycling and walking. Nine out of ten people
    considered sustainable transport to be a priority for transport planners and
    their policies.

    The research looked at the reasons for peoples' travel choices, from
    on-the-ground constraints such as inadequate bus service to the personal
    opinions that influence people's decisions. It concluded that significant
    change is possible even without improvements to transport infrastructure.
    Existing facilities for walking, cycling and public transport provide a
    viable alternative for nearly half of all car trips within each town.

    "The three towns asked us to carry out the research to inform their
    Sustainable Travel Towns Programmes," said
    Sustrans' senior projects officer James Ryle.

    "The information reveals the enormous potential for people to occasionally
    leave their car at home and use alternative transport. This has very clear
    benefits - if everyone replaced just one return car journey per week with
    another way of travelling traffic would be reduced by more than 10 percent.

    "All this is very positive news for the councils concerned. Their task will
    be to supply the information and motivation needed to enable people to make
    the change. This research challenges the notion that people are unable to
    make changes. We look forward to working with the councils to see these
    results turned into the positive action that will make a real difference to
    the lives of everyone living in these cities."

    The full results of the travel surveys were presented at the Making Smarter
    Choices Work Conference in Darlington on 17th March. The Sustainable Travel
    Towns programme is a Department for Transport scheme which is focussing on
    three towns sharing £10m of government funding over five years to encourage
    more walking, cycling and public transport use."

    Cheers, helen s

  2. wafflycat said:


    Enough to blow a gasket over in Tosspotland ;-)

    http://www.bikebiz.com/daily-news/article.php?id=5381

    Have you posted it there then?
    It would seem the sensible thing to do.

    John B

  3. Tony W said:

    "wafflycat" <wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Enough to blow a gasket over in Tosspotland ;-)

    http://www.bikebiz.com/daily-news/article.php?id=5381

    Harrumph.

    How am I going to carry a Big Mac & fries, a couple of cans of larger and a
    pack of [censored] on a BIKE?? Tell me that. You'll be wanting me to fit a
    wicker basket next.

    A few weeks ago, I was cycling back from the Chinese takeaway with a
    carton of curry sauce in my bottle cage. It must have looked dead
    classy.

    --
    Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
    "One banana, two banana, three banana, four"

  4. Tony W said:


    Harrumph.

    How am I going to carry a Big Mac & fries, a couple of cans of larger and a
    pack of [censored] on a BIKE?? Tell me that. You'll be wanting me to fit a
    wicker basket next.


    I've often wanted a cupholder on my bike.
    Nice for carrying a coffee from Greggs to a park bench or something.

    I saw at St Pancras station a lady wheeling a mountain bike with
    suspension forks, complete with front basket.
    Good for her to be taking a bike on the train, don't get me wrong,
    but city bikes would be much more practical. We need more of them.

  5. On 21/3/05 4:27 pm, in article [email hidden],

    John Hearns said:

    I've often wanted a cupholder on my bike.

    Been there, done that. When I was in Norway the petrol stations used to have
    a promo where, if you bought their insulated cup at the start of the year
    you could refill as many times as required from any in the chain. As my icy
    winter commute passed three of the same chain, it was very nice to slot it
    into the cup holder for supping at -5 C.

    ...d

  6. John Hearns said:


    I saw at St Pancras station a lady wheeling a mountain bike with
    suspension forks, complete with front basket.

    Understandable given the state of the roads in London.

    Tony

    PS You can get v nice wicker baskets from David Hembrow in Cambridge
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hembrow/

  7. Tony W said:

    Mind you, if 90% of the buggers are on the pavement where bikes belong I'll
    be able to drive my 4x4 penis extension faster

    I actually think 4x4s look a bit "gay", especially the pick-ups with
    blacked-out windows and lots of chrome. I can see the Construction Guy
    [1] from the Village People in one of those.

    [1] yeah yeah, I know only the *Indian* was actually gay.

  8. John Hearns said:
    Tony W said:

    Harrumph.

    How am I going to carry a Big Mac & fries, a couple of cans of larger and a
    pack of [censored] on a BIKE?? Tell me that. You'll be wanting me to fit a
    wicker basket next.

    I've often wanted a cupholder on my bike.
    Nice for carrying a coffee from Greggs to a park bench or something.

    As reported here

    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    sorry; can't be bothered to find the pic on the original site.

  9. Not Responding said:

    As reported here

    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Hmm.. belt drive and Rohloff anyone? Could be very nice.

    ...d

  10. David Martin said:
    Not Responding said:

    As reported here

    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Hmm.. belt drive and Rohloff anyone? Could be very nice.

    Or a four speed nexus hub. Not quite as nice. Are there any belt drives that
    work happily on bikes yet? Somehow I doubt it.

    Mmm, talking of nice hubs, I've got a wheel I should be building. Shimano
    dynohub with roller brake. See how it goes, but I've squandered my building
    time for the next week. Ah, well.

    A

  11. Not Responding said:

    As reported here

    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Good god. That's a hideous thing. Grease free, 'silent', belt drive. Heck,
    my bike's pretty silent, all things considered.

  12. Simonb said:
    Not Responding said:

    As reported here

    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Good god. That's a hideous thing. Grease free, 'silent', belt drive.
    Heck, my bike's pretty silent, all things considered.

    My drive's pretty grease free, too. I think that should be resolved,
    however.

    A

  13. "Simonb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Good god. That's a hideous thing. Grease free, 'silent', belt drive. Heck,
    my bike's pretty silent, all things considered.

    Grease free but not crud & site free. This type of toothed belt drive is
    now almost universal in industrial applications -- but you need to keep them
    clean for optimum performance.

    T

  14. Ambrose Nankivell said:
    David Martin said:
    Not Responding said:

    As reported here

    http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Hmm.. belt drive and Rohloff anyone? Could be very nice.

    Or a four speed nexus hub. Not quite as nice. Are there any belt drives
    that work happily on bikes yet? Somehow I doubt it.

    Somehow, I don't.

    http://www.partsmag.com/0303/Belt-Drives-0303/Belt-Drives-0303.html
    http://www.harley-davidson.com/co/his/en/history1980.asp?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  15. JLB said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:
    David Martin said:

    Not Responding wrote:

    > As reported here
    >
    > http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html

    Hmm.. belt drive and Rohloff anyone? Could be very nice.

    Or a four speed nexus hub. Not quite as nice. Are there any belt
    drives that work happily on bikes yet? Somehow I doubt it.

    Somehow, I don't.

    http://www.partsmag.com/0303/Belt-Drives-0303/Belt-Drives-0303.html
    http://www.harley-davidson.com/co/his/en/history1980.asp?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US

    OK, are there any that work on bike with an input RPM of below 150 and with
    highly variable torque and no flywheel?

    A

  16. in message <[email hidden]>, John Hearns

    (') said:
    Tony W said:


    Harrumph.

    How am I going to carry a Big Mac & fries, a couple of cans of larger
    and a
    pack of [censored] on a BIKE?? Tell me that. You'll be wanting me to fit
    a wicker basket next.


    I've often wanted a cupholder on my bike.

    I have two cup holders on my #1 road bike and on my #1 mountain bike,
    and one each on my #2 road bike and my #2 mountain bike. Setting off
    for Saturday's ride I had hot coffee in one cup[1], cold water in the
    other.

    [1] Special non-spill cups with lids, naturally.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; When all else fails, read the distractions.

  17. Ambrose Nankivell said:
    JLB said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:

    David Martin wrote:

    > Not Responding wrote:
    >
    >> As reported here
    >>
    >> http://notonmywatch.blogs.com/not_on_my_watch/2004/11/bonkers.html
    >
    >
    > Hmm.. belt drive and Rohloff anyone? Could be very nice.

    Or a four speed nexus hub. Not quite as nice. Are there any belt
    drives that work happily on bikes yet? Somehow I doubt it.

    Somehow, I don't.

    http://www.partsmag.com/0303/Belt-Drives-0303/Belt-Drives-0303.html


    http://www.harley-davidson.com/co/his/en/history1980.asp?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US

    Quoted message said:


    OK, are there any that work on bike with an input RPM of below 150
    and with highly variable torque and no flywheel?

    One iteration of Izzy Urieli's "Grasshopper" series of recumbents used a
    belt drive to a 5 speed SA hub, while the kit to convert a Brompton to a
    recumbent used one to take the drive from the "new" cranks to the BB of the
    standard item (and chain the rest of the way).

    So, yes.

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    World Domination?
    Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
    floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

  18. "wafflycat" <wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Enough to blow a gasket over in Tosspotland ;-)

    http://www.bikebiz.com/daily-news/article.php?id=5381

    "Monday 21st March 2005
    Half of all car trips could be history, no need for infrastructure


    tweaks

    The bicycle is not totally unknown in Great Britain. I would guess
    that essentially every one of those people avoiding bike riding has
    actually ridden a bike at some time in their life, perhaps two or
    three times, or even more.

    Thus these people are not avoiding bikes out of sheer ignorance.
    When they decide that bikes are not for them, they have the
    information to make that decision sensibly.

    Or at least, they think they do.

    I think it is remarkably easy to do something wrong when riding a
    bike. Too low a saddle, and too soft tyres are practically
    universal, for example. It's sheer luck that we in this newsgroup
    managed to avoid the same problems.

    Judging by people's complaints, the area of greatest incompetence is
    riding in traffic. That's hardly surprising. Although bikes and
    cars had been mixing in quantities since about the mid 1920s, the
    Cycling Proficiency course was not invented (by the CTC, first) until
    the 1930s. It's a pretty useless course. The techniques of riding
    in traffic were not properly written down until John Franklin, here,
    and John Forester, in the USA, did it in the early 1970s. A British
    syllabus for what one should know was not written down until last
    year, and still has a few rough edges.

    Bike education is the key. It's not the cycle education itself
    that's a problem. Fixing people's ignorance is trivially easy for
    them, once they realise that they are ignorant. Cycling is not
    rocket science

    The real problem is teaching people that they are ignorant, or
    perhaps occasionally worse than ignorant, misinformed.

    Perhaps we could make a start by mercilessly mocking people on
    newsgroups and mailing lists who do not know what they are talking
    about.

    Jeremy Parker

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