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Do you really understand the fundamentals of Chaos Theory?

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Do you? Let's see twenty-five words or fewer.

Your requirements are not consistent with the solution.

In article <[email hidden]>, Mad Dog <[email hidden]>

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gwhite says...

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Now I have to figure out how to incorporate all this into bar room
pick-up lines.

According to Frank Zappa, that approach is a total waste of time. Listen to
"Find Her Finer" on Zoot Allures. Considering how Frank wasn't the prettiest
boy on the plante yet he managed to score quite a bit, he might have known
what
he was talking about:

"Find her finer, sneak up behind her
Act like a dummy till ya finally grind her"

On the other hand:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/0c7e3ff081c25801?hl=e
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tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Schwartz said:

gwhite said:

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> Do you really understand the fundamentals of Chaos Theory?

Do you? Let's see twenty-five words or fewer.

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If I flap my gums in California, it kills a party in Wisconsin.

Hey, that's almost a haiku!

If I flap my gums
about too much boring [censored]
I will not get laid.

That's causality, not Chaos Theory.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/0c7e3ff081c25801?hl=e
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Do you know the background behind that tune?

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On the other hand:

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/0c7e3ff081c25801?hl=e
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Do you know the background behind that tune?

I'm not sure that I do (or I might, but can't remember it), but it's a
great song. There's a lot of good songs on Zoot Allures.

--
tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

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k.papai says...

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"Chaos Theory and Training/Peaking" in the same sentence. Bravo.
NOW it makes sense.

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Pure Genus.

Do you really understand the fundamentals of Chaos Theory?

Chaos theory discusses how our models for some systems are not
predictive in detail. The only model sufficient to predict such a
system is of size comparable to the system itself.

It all started with Henri Poincare', as so many things do. In a
tour de force he found the series solutions to the dynamical
equations governing motion of three or more bodies under Newtonian
gravitation, and showed that the series solutions do not converge,
thus settling the "three body problem." We can predict the motions
of the principal bodies of the solar system to a degree, but the
system is not stable. In time most any body could rocket out into
interstellar space, or two of them collide. We see a relatively
stable solar system because in six billion years, many of the
transient motions have attenuated to zero. But consider that
Jupiter and Saturn are paired in a dance where they exchange
kinetic energy back and forth in a period of several hundred
years; and this resonance is bound to change, either to die out or
amplify catastrophically.

--
Michael Press

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Do you really understand the fundamentals of Chaos Theory?

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Do you? Let's see twenty-five words or fewer.

Your requirements are not consistent with the solution.

Dumbdog,

If you understood, you wouldn't speak of "the solution,"
singular, because the final state depends sensitively
on the initial conditions. RBR itself is ergodic.

24 words (25 with the salutation).

Michael Press wrote:
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It all started with Henri Poincare', as so many things do. In a
tour de force he found the series solutions to the dynamical

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Which Tour de Force was that? If memory serves Poincaré made the
podium three times, in 1901, 1905 and 1908, but never stood on the top
step (1905 was a virtual win; Einstein published his Special Theory of
Relativity despite his promise to work for Poincaré that year.) By
1910 his ideas, always flabby in the offseason, were beginning to seem
tired and bloated even through July and August. In 1912 he died while
trying to put on his pants, if that tells you anything.

-Smurf

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RBR itself is ergodic.

You're saying Kunich is representative of all of us ?

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/0c7e3ff081c25801?hl=e
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Do you know the background behind that tune?

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I'm not sure that I do (or I might, but can't remember it), but it's a
great song. There's a lot of good songs on Zoot Allures.

Frank read somewhere about the money made by companies that made rubber sex
dolls and was shocked to find out it was a multimillion dollar industry. So he
decided to make fun of the losers that needed such pathetic stimulation to get
off. Frank should have been given a PhD in anthropology. I agree that Zoot
Allures has a bunch of good songs. I put it in the upper eschelon of Zappa
discs.

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> Do you really understand the fundamentals of Chaos Theory?

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Do you? Let's see twenty-five words or fewer.

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Your requirements are not consistent with the solution.

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If you understood, you wouldn't speak of "the solution,"
singular, because the final state depends sensitively
on the initial conditions.

I understand just fine. The layperson requirement of the "25 words or fewer"
soundbite explanation is due to there being so many idiots such as yourself with
limited attention span.

Mad Dog said:

The layperson requirement of the "25 words or fewer" soundbite explanation is
is due to there being so many idiots such as yourself with limited attention span.

I think Ben is neither a layperson on the subject of chaos theory, nor of
limited attention span, nor an idiot. I also think the better your
understanding of any subject, the better you will be able to give a short
meaningful explanation of that subject.

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gwhite said:

Now I have to figure out how to incorporate all this into bar room
pick-up lines.

"Would-you-like-to-come-over-and-see-my-fractals?"

Too much reading, gwhite. Not enough getting out. --TP

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I understand just fine. The layperson requirement of the "25 words or fewer"
soundbite explanation is due to there being so many idiots such as yourself with
limited attention span.

Dumbass,
Wannabe intellectual snobs are even worse than the real thing.

Have a nice day,
-Smurf

k.papai said:

I even programmed some fractal generating graphic routines in C about
15 years ago.

Did you write Fractint?!

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Wannabe intellectual snobs are even worse than the real thing.

Your field of expertise, no doubt.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

k.papai said:

I even programmed some fractal generating graphic routines in C about
15 years ago.

Did you write Fractint?!

Ahh, the memories. Fractint caused me to stop programming for the first
time (this happened often, until I was old enough to accept my own
limits). I messed around with Pascal (IIRC), writing a fractal generator
after I read about them. Was very proud, until I saw Fractint, which was
about 1000000 times as fast.

Btw. I'd be interested in how many people in this subthread here really
are able to describe the connection between Fractals and Chaos Theory -
besides the fact that they are often mentioned in the same popular
scientific books and from that dumbass scientist character in Jurassic Park.

OK, cool, whatever.
-Ken

Ewoud Dronkert says...

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I think Ben is neither a layperson on the subject of chaos theory, nor of
limited attention span, nor an idiot.

Goodie for you and he, go have a few more hugs. His behavior appeared idiotic
to me, thus my observation. If I've hurt your or his feelings, I wish I could
say I'm sorry, but you wouldn't want me to lie, wouldja?

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I also think the better your understanding of any subject, the better
you will be able to give a short meaningful explanation of that subject.

Right... Sure... [censored]! Once you get past a layperson's understanding of
anything that's reasonably complex, you know how limiting soundbite explanations
are. For example, you know a bit about bike racing, right? Do you think you
could write a 25 word primer that could inform a generic newbie on the process
required to make him or her a competitive cyclist on the ProTour level? I
don't. Sure, you could use those 25 words to reference a number of resources,
but that's cheating in this context. A few years back, loads of people dropped
"Chaos Theory" on any subject they didn't understand or that they thought was
too complex for anyone to understand in a predictive sense. Too many people
thought that the butterfly wing flapping visual was all they needed to know, and
that's akin to thinking you are ready to wrench Formula 1 after learning how to
pump gas into your Pinto.

Degrees Kelvin, indeed.

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besides the fact that they are often mentioned in the same popular
scientific books and from that dumbass scientist character in Jurassic Park.

Hey, he had a few decent lines in that book.