Article- an incredibly misinformed idiot...

long-run said:

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Yeah. The world's problems would all be solved if all them damn "would be Tour de Francers" wouldn't
dress up in "brightly colored spandex bodysuits" and "jockey for position".

And to add insult to injury, bicyclists are allowed to "peddle away at will". Anybody want to buy a
bike? It's only been peddled on the internet.

long-run said:

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Man, where to begin? The concept of "bald bicycle tires"? The ignorance of hand signals? The idea
that cyclists are exempt from slow-moving-vehicle laws? Or that they don't have to use headlights
when driving at night?

To hell with it. Everyone here knows the facts, and Eric Peters is obviously too stupid to care.

How in God's name can someone write a piece for publication without doing five minutes research?
Worse, how can Netscape publish it without even rudimentary fact-checking, thus forever associating
themselves with its complete ignorance?

Oh well. He can always get a job at the *Weekly World News* or the New York *Times*.

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Scott Munro said:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:24:35 -0400, "long-run" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

How in God's name can someone write a piece for publication without doing five minutes research?
Worse, how can Netscape publish it without even rudimentary fact-checking, thus forever
associating themselves with its complete ignorance?

Quoted message said:

Oh well. He can always get a job at the *Weekly World News* or the New York *Times*.

Too late:

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"Eric Peters, 33, is a Washington, D.C.-based, nationally-syndicated automotive columnist. He has
written for The Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, the Detroit Free Press and The
Washington Times."

It looks like Mr. Peters makes a living writing about the Automobile industry. Why would he even
bother thinking about informing himself about the facts of the matter? He's a columnist, not a
journalist. Pfft. i.e. Not just a blowhard, but a blowhard who people pay money to spew forth
his opinion.

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Dane Jackson said:

Scott Munro said:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:24:35 -0400, "long-run" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

How in God's name can someone write a piece for publication without doing five minutes research?
Worse, how can Netscape publish it without even rudimentary fact-checking, thus forever
associating themselves with its complete ignorance?

Quoted message said:

Oh well. He can always get a job at the *Weekly World News* or the New York *Times*.

Too late:

motorists.comericpetersOpen ↗

"Eric Peters, 33, is a Washington, D.C.-based, nationally-syndicated automotive columnist. He has
written for The Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, the Detroit Free Press and The
Washington Times."

Washington *Times*? Aaaaargh! Say it ain't so, Wes! Geez, I hope they fact-check his work better
than Netscape did.

Oh well, at least he writes about cars, and not anything important.

Quoted message said:

It looks like Mr. Peters makes a living writing about the Automobile industry. Why would he even
bother thinking about informing himself about the facts of the matter? He's a columnist, not a
journalist. Pfft. i.e. Not just a blowhard, but a blowhard who people pay money to spew forth
his opinion.

--
"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, [censored]
Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Paul O'Neill - people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We
need them there."
-- Gen. Wesley Clark at a GOP fundraiser, May 11, 2001

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Does the writer of this article have his head up his ass or something?

Several facts that the author is misinformed about:

Bicycles *are* required to have headlights (at least in Kentucky).

Bicyclists aren't the only people who don't need a license. Ever hear of "pedestrians"? Or
"horse-drawn buggies"?

Bicyclists *must* use hand signals when making a turn.

And if the idiot who wrote this article is so upset about bikes "hogging" the main traffic lanes
because they're not able to go fast enough, then whose fault is it that the roads don't have
adequate shoulders or a bike lane?

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Scott Munro said:

Oh well. He can always get a job at the *Weekly World News* or the New York *Times*.

He'd fit in well at Faux News Channel.

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Zoot Katz said:

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:46:18 GMT, <[email hidden]>, Scott Munro

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To hell with it. Everyone here knows the facts, and Eric Peters is obviously too stupid to care.

But he's a syndicated "journalist", and a senior fellow with The National Center for Public Policy
Research. IOW, just another neocon slime ball on a state sanctioned soap box.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your partisan hatred, but I suppose for some people everything
is about their partisan hatred.

And are you suggesting that the National Center for Public Policy Research should be outlawed? I ask
because, since that group is not funded by or otherwise affliated with a government, I can only
assume that by "state sanctioned," you mean "permitted by the state to exist."

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"Eric Peters, 33, is a Washington, D.C.-based, nationally-syndicated automotive columnist. He has
written for The Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, the Detroit Free Press and The
Washington Times."

Wow. The Washington Times. Nothing like having this ultraconservative [censored] rag on one's resume.

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Washington *Times*? Aaaaargh! Say it ain't so, Wes! Geez, I hope they fact-check his work better
than Netscape did.

When I saw that he wrote for the Washington Times it was all I needed to know about him.

The Post, on the other hand, is quite pro-bicycle.

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Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:12:56 GMT, <[email hidden]>, Scott Munro

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To hell with it. Everyone here knows the facts, and Eric Peters is obviously too stupid to care.

But he's a syndicated "journalist", and a senior fellow with The National Center for Public Policy
Research. IOW, just another neocon slime ball on a state sanctioned soap box.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your partisan hatred, but I suppose for some people
everything is about their partisan hatred.

And are you suggesting that the National Center for Public Policy Research should be outlawed? I
ask because, since that group is not funded by or otherwise affliated with a government, I can only
assume that by "state sanctioned," you mean "permitted by the state to exist."

No, I meant the ideology expressed by Eric Peters, in the quote you snipped, is in line with the
official doctrine. It's not biased along party lines, it's corporate policy. Check who does fund
NCPPR or any of the <hork> esteemed </hork> wing-nut "think tanks".

I'll ignore the 'partisan hatred' feint because it means squat, to me, which puppet is dancing in
your White House.

Maybe my 'neocon' tag was wrong, he may be just be a whack-job. It looks like he believes too that
speed and blood-alcohol-content limits are set too low.

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"Estimates vary, but the consensus is that approximately 2,500 fatalities occur each year in traffic
accidents as a direct result of our government's policy of forcing smaller cars on the public. Had
these victims been driving larger, safer cars, they probably would have lived." - Eric Peters

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Zoot Katz said:

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:12:56 GMT, <[email hidden]>, Scott Munro

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>To hell with it. Everyone here knows the facts, and Eric Peters is obviously too stupid to care.

But he's a syndicated "journalist", and a senior fellow with The National Center for Public
Policy Research. IOW, just another neocon slime ball on a state sanctioned soap box.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your partisan hatred, but I suppose for some people
everything is about their partisan hatred.

And are you suggesting that the National Center for Public Policy Research should be outlawed? I
ask because, since that group is not funded by or otherwise affliated with a government, I can
only assume that by "state sanctioned," you mean "permitted by the state to exist."

No, I meant the ideology expressed by Eric Peters, in the quote you snipped, is in line with the
official doctrine. It's not biased along party lines, it's corporate policy. Check who does fund
NCPPR or any of the <hork> esteemed </hork> wing-nut "think tanks".

Riiight.

You know, the thing to do when caught in an error is to admit the error.

Quoted message said:

I'll ignore the 'partisan hatred' feint because it means squat, to me, which puppet is dancing in
your White House.

Maybe my 'neocon' tag was wrong, he may be just be a whack-job. It looks like he believes too that
speed and blood-alcohol-content limits are set too low.

drivers.comgo.cgiOpen ↗
motorists.comu turn.htmlOpen ↗

"Estimates vary, but the consensus is that approximately 2,500 fatalities occur each year in
traffic accidents as a direct result of our government's policy of forcing smaller cars on the
public. Had these victims been driving larger, safer cars, they probably would have lived." -
Eric Peters

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Also, if this idiot Eric Peters is so upset about bikes supposedly not following the same rules as
cars, why doesn't he bemoan the fact that some towns require bicyclists to wear a helmet, while not
requiring the same of motorists?

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"Scott Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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To hell with it. Everyone here knows the facts, and Eric Peters is obviously too stupid to care.

While you may be right, Scott, I decided to try anyway. I sent him the following letter. I will
update the group.
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I'm writing in response to
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bicycles sharing the road.

There are some good points in the article. Certainly there are bicyclists who ride incorrectly, and
a couple of traffic tickets might go far toward improving that. In particular, only idiots bike at
night without at least the legal minimum lights and reflectors.

However, there's a general attitude in your article, that everybody should get the heck out of my
way. There's also, in my opinion, a general misunderstanding of who is in whose way.

Are good cyclists really in anybody's way, any more than they would be if they were just one more
solo driver in a Lincoln Navigator? That's doubtful.

I'm in a suburban household with 4 drivers and two cars, and personally seldom drive. Instead, I
bike over 4,000 miles a year (and take the train to work).

Back when I was in a car for those miles, I was one more solo driver clogging up the road. I was the
last car that made it through a traffic light, so you had to wait. I took up the last close parking
spot, so you had to park a block away. You had to wait 5 minutes for me while I finished pumping my
gas. I parked in front of your house, which was a real pain in the butt because nobody wants to see
a red 1982 Ford Escort out their front window. My buddies and I drove to the gym during evening rush
hour, and caused you to be an extra minute late every working day because of the jam near the gym. I
got rid of my pennies at the toll booth, which made the automatic counter take an extra ten seconds
counting them. My car alarm went off when you leaned on my car to tie your shoe. Every other month,
I hit the "panic button" instead of the "door unlock" and it took me 20 seconds to figure out how to
turn it off. I drove the speed limit in the left lane of the expressway.

I was Everyman in a white minivan. You didn't notice ME, because there were so many of ME, and
because I was YOU, too.

On my bike, I'm noticeable because I'm different, just like you notice the neighbor who owns a
yellow Corvette. But am I really in your way any more than I was then? No. I'm just more visible.
(and in a lot better shape than I used to be)

Mike Kruger reply address: MikeKr at AOL dot COM

Dane Jackson said:

It looks like Mr. Peters makes a living writing about the Automobile industry. Why would he even
bother thinking about informing himself about the facts of the matter? He's a columnist, not a
journalist. Pfft. i.e. Not just a blowhard, but a blowhard who people pay money to spew forth
his opinion.

He's a "journalist" who cannot distinguish between the words "peddle" and "pedal".

I learned the difference in the third grade from a mean old nun.

Mike Kruger said:

I'm writing in response to
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bicycles sharing the road....

Good article. You should also have sent it to the Netscape editorial board or whoever decides what
to include in their rag.

I still use NS 4.79, but netscape.com sucks badly and has for a long time. Pity.

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long-run said:

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I ran across this, and swiftly felt disgusted with myself for giving the cretin another web hit. To
make it worse, I believe they've popped this up again, and it was originally "published" at least a
few months ago.

This is a web troll. Please don't read it -- it'll just encourage Netscape/AOHell to keep
posting it.

Pat

In article said:

I still use NS 4.79, but netscape.com sucks badly and has for a long time. Pity.

I'm still using NS 4.5, under Linux compatibility on FreeBSD. If it tries to load sites that
generate too many popups, it commits harikuri. I've grown to like that effect; it serves as a
warning that my time is about to be wasted.

cheers, & alias cleanns='rm ~/.netscape/lock ~/netscape.core' Tom

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Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>, The Real Bev <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I still use NS 4.79, but netscape.com sucks badly and has for a long time. Pity.

Quoted message said:

I'm still using NS 4.5, under Linux compatibility on FreeBSD. If it tries to load sites that
generate too many popups, it commits harikuri. I've grown to like that effect; it serves as a
warning that my time is about to be wasted.

Good god man! Do you still bang rocks together to start fires? It might be time to update your
browser. Firebird has popup blocking and just about everything else yuo could ever want. [1] And I
do believe that there is FreeBSD build in the Ports collection. [2]

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cheers, & alias cleanns='rm ~/.netscape/lock ~/netscape.core'

Ah yes, I do believe mine was a little more pessimistic.

Something like: alias nets='rm ~/.netscape/lock ~/netscape.core; netscape'

[1] I ignored tabbed browsing for the longest time. Now I know better.
[2] Not that I would know, being that I've ignored BSD for the most part.

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Dane Jackson said:

Scott Munro said:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:24:35 -0400, "long-run" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

channels.netscape.compackage.jspOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

How in God's name can someone write a piece for publication without doing five minutes research?
Worse, how can Netscape publish it without even rudimentary fact-checking, thus forever
associating themselves with its complete ignorance?

Quoted message said:

Oh well. He can always get a job at the *Weekly World News* or the New York *Times*.

Too late:

motorists.comericpetersOpen ↗

"Eric Peters, 33, is a Washington, D.C.-based, nationally-syndicated automotive columnist. He has
written for The Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, the Detroit Free Press and The
Washington Times."

It looks like Mr. Peters makes a living writing about the Automobile industry. Why would he even
bother thinking about informing himself about the facts of the matter? He's a columnist, not a
journalist. Pfft. i.e. Not just a blowhard, but a blowhard who people pay money to spew forth
his opinion.

You missed his articles promoting driving after drinking and how to disable safety devices in your
car, yet he's worried about _our_ safety as cyclists.

Sigh.

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