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  1. Yes, it's toys out the pram time, on my usual subject.

    This time it's Shimano.

    I was cleaning the Jekyll, and decided the rear deraileur was
    sufficiently cacked up that it needed to be stripped. So I stripped it,
    and dropped the bits in a path of parafin. After much scrubbing with an
    old toothbrush and some scraping with a screwdriver I had two
    reasonably clean jockey wheels... but they weren't the same. One has a
    sealed bearing, one does not. Ignoring for the moment the fact that
    washing a sealed bearing in a bath of parafin probably hasn't done it a
    great deal of good, I need to know which of these little beasties is
    the top one.

    So it's onto Shimano's website.

    We won't go into the technical stuff.

    On the matter of presentation, I'm trying to peer at the information I
    want in a little teenie window which is clearly designed for a 640x480
    screen. Shimano are true democrats. They aren't going to allow the fact
    that I've plutocratically gone out and bought myself a monitor that's
    1200 plus pixels across buy me any advantage: no, I have to peer
    through the same tiny window as the paupers.

    Of course, looking at a FAQ with a lot of questions in a tiny window is
    very difficult (and also of course it would take a long time to
    download on a pauper's 9600 baud line), so Shimano has helpfully
    divided their FAQ into a near infinite number of pages each with
    exactly five questions. How are these ordered? Not by topic. Not
    alphabetically. Perhaps there's some system but if so I can't guess it.
    So how do you search the FAQ? Well, Shimano has made that extremely
    simple too: you don't. You, err, can't.

    But there is an advanced catalogue search. Whoop-de-do! Enter 'Deore XT
    rear deraileur' and you get... nothing. Riens, zilch, nada. Bugger all.
    Deore XT? What's that? Some gobbledegook? If you enter 'Deore XT rear
    derailleur' you get a PDF which describes the 1999 model. OK, that's
    something, but mine's a 2003, and it doesn't look the same.

    Start again, try 'product search' for 'Deore XT rear derailleur', and
    you get:

    Quoted message said:

    Shimano Catalogue Search Result

    Hits in Categories
    Sorry, no hits.

    Hits in Product Series
    Sorry, no hits.

    Hits in Products
    Sorry, no hits.

    Hits in Exploded Views
    download RD-M750 (1999)

    Hits in Service Instructions
    Sorry, no hits.

    Now, OK, lets be fair about this, the help-text alongside the 'product
    search' box says '(e.g. PD-7750)'. How do I know, sitting with a Deore
    XT rear mech in my hand, whether it's a 'PD-7750' or a 'PI13-07-900'?
    Answer: I don't. It doesn't have RD-M750-SGS[1] stamped on it. It has
    'Deore XT' stamped on it.

    Come on, I'm only a customer, I only buy your products, I only keep you
    in business, you might help me out a little here.

    Finally, I find the 2004 version of the part, and its exploded diagram.
    It shows two pulleys. They're clearly different. But neither of them is
    labelled 'sealed bearing' or 'ceramic bush'. In the description of the
    part it says

    Quoted message said:

    Guide Pulley: sealed ceramic bushing
    Tension Pulley: sealed bearing

    but the jockey wheel in the exploded view that looks like the sealed
    bearing one I have in my hand is labelled '13: guide pulley unit', and
    vice versa...

    [1] Which is what it turns out it is (probably). But now I've told you
    I'll have to kill you, because Shimano consider it a state secret.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    For office use only. Please do not write or type below this line.

  2. Simon Brooke said:

    Yes, it's toys out the pram time, on my usual subject.

    This time it's Shimano.

    I was cleaning the Jekyll, and decided the rear deraileur was
    sufficiently cacked up that it needed to be stripped. So I stripped it,
    and dropped the bits in a path of parafin. After much scrubbing with an
    old toothbrush and some scraping with a screwdriver I had two
    reasonably clean jockey wheels... but they weren't the same. One has a
    sealed bearing, one does not. Ignoring for the moment the fact that
    washing a sealed bearing in a bath of parafin probably hasn't done it a
    great deal of good, I need to know which of these little beasties is
    the top one.

    The "Centeron G-Pulley" is the top one.

  3. Simon Brooke said:

    Yes, it's toys out the pram time, on my usual subject.

    This time it's Shimano ... etc.

    I retrofitted the XT pulleys to my last rear mech on the mtb. One
    pulley was the sealed ballrace and one was ceramic bushed. Since the
    ballraced one had a kind of rollpin pressed in, and the ceramic one
    was free to slide sideways on its bolt, I naturally assumed that the
    latter was the upper pulley. Diagrams? I'm not entirely sure mine
    came with any.

    Becky

  4. On 12/10/04 6:12 pm, in article
    [email hidden], "Arellcat"

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Yes, it's toys out the pram time, on my usual subject.

    This time it's Shimano ... etc.

    I retrofitted the XT pulleys to my last rear mech on the mtb. One
    pulley was the sealed ballrace and one was ceramic bushed. Since the
    ballraced one had a kind of rollpin pressed in, and the ceramic one
    was free to slide sideways on its bolt, I naturally assumed that the
    latter was the upper pulley. Diagrams? I'm not entirely sure mine
    came with any.

    Both my Sante ones are ceramic. The bigger one is the one nearest the hub,
    right?

    ...d

  5. in message <[email hidden]>, Arellcat

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Yes, it's toys out the pram time, on my usual subject.

    This time it's Shimano ... etc.

    I retrofitted the XT pulleys to my last rear mech on the mtb. One
    pulley was the sealed ballrace and one was ceramic bushed. Since the
    ballraced one had a kind of rollpin pressed in, and the ceramic one
    was free to slide sideways on its bolt, I naturally assumed that the
    latter was the upper pulley. Diagrams? I'm not entirely sure mine
    came with any.

    Thanks, Becky, I have reassembled it that way. It seems to work.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'You cannot put "The Internet" into the Recycle Bin.'

  6. "Arellcat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Yes, it's toys out the pram time, on my usual subject.

    This time it's Shimano ... etc.

    I retrofitted the XT pulleys to my last rear mech on the mtb. One
    pulley was the sealed ballrace and one was ceramic bushed. Since the
    ballraced one had a kind of rollpin pressed in, and the ceramic one
    was free to slide sideways on its bolt, I naturally assumed that the
    latter was the upper pulley. Diagrams? I'm not entirely sure mine
    came with any.

    Correct.
    I retrofitted the newer jockey wheels to my XT, the old ones had the ceramic
    bearing on the upper wheel so I took a cue from them, and shortly after the
    mech all but fell apart so I had to replace the whole lot :-(
    Ah well, at least I've got a spare set.

    I was a little dubious at first after I and some friends had bad experiences
    with Tacx sealed units but we'll see how it goes.

    Pete

  7. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ignoring for the moment the fact that
    washing a sealed bearing in a bath of parafin probably hasn't done it a
    great deal of good, I need to know which of these little beasties is
    the top one.

    Are they not marked? I used to have a road bike with an Exage 300EX
    rear mech, and the appropriate pulleys had 'Top' and 'Bottom' moulded
    on. Might not apply to all groupsets, though, I guess, not to mention
    that said lettering might wear off over time.

    David E. Belcher

  8. "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was a little dubious at first after I and some friends had bad experiences
    with Tacx sealed units but we'll see how it goes.

    I'm a big fan of Tacx pulleys; only problems I've had is that they can
    be over-width for certain derailleurs (due to using the plastic
    adaptor inserts), so that the pulley bolts don't have enough 'bite' on
    reassembly, though I suppose slightly longer bolts soon cures this.

    David E. Belcher

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