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  1. Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics:
    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great sporting
    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.

    jj

  2. Jet said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics:
    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great sporting
    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.

    No, I think it's clear that Armstrong was referring to the drug issue,
    the various blanket accusations against pro racers, the innuendo that
    has permeated the sport and nearly brought it down in '98. (*)

    Whether Armstrong asked to speak or was offered the opportunity, I'm
    sure Tour director Jean-Marie LeBlanc (sp?) really liked what he said.

    (*)The people saying "cycling is not a sport" are clowns, not cynics -
    and usually they are the print-media equivalent of usenet trolls - i.e.
    they're saying what they are saying just to get a rise out of people.

    Mark

  3. Jet<[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if
    he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This
    is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe. You
    should believe in these athletes and you should believe in these
    people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and there are
    no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it, so
    Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling
    is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be
    worthy of justification.

    jj

    I don't think he was refering to people who say "cycling is not a sport".
    He was refering to those who think that all cyclists use dope to compete
    (like Laferty). I think he was saying that you have to believe that the
    best athletes in cycling are as good as they are because of the hard work
    they put into their sport.

  4. Jet said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics:
    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great sporting
    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.*

    Er...he was likely talking about people who go on and on about doping

    Quoted message said:


    jj


  5. Quoted message said:

    Er...he was likely talking about people who go on and on about doping

    Quoted message said:


    jj


    Interesting. I just thought he was promoting cycling. I think you may be
    correct, however.

  6. "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics:
    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great
    sporting
    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.

    jj

    jj,

    The skepticism and cynicism isn't about the legitimacy of cycling as a
    sport. It's about doping and the legitimacy of the athlete's performances.

    I was impressed with Armstrong's remarks, too. If they were "off the cuff,"
    they were pretty sharp for someone who had every right to be dead on his
    feet. It's just a bit curious to me that, in his final appearance as a pro
    cyclist, he put the focus on doping with his parting remarks. And I wished
    he's done something to single out Johan for recognition. I'm sure in
    Lance's mind, he's lumped in there with the team. But still ...
    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

  7. "Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jet said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if
    he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics:
    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you
    don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great
    sporting
    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in
    these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the
    TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard
    sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is
    not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy
    of
    justification.*

    Er...he was likely talking about people who go on and on about doping

    LA indicated he wished he could have delivered his remarks in French
    (but his French wasn't good enough) - I think his remarks were clearly
    not addressed to an international or American audience, but directly to
    the French. It's their event and I think he wants it known he thinks
    they have been, as a people (if one can make such a generalization), too
    harsh in their criticism and suspicion of drug use in cycling.

    -S-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    jj


  8. "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the


    skeptics:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great


    sporting

    Quoted message said:

    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.

    jj


    Can someone post the entire speech? (CBS' coverage started with "I'm sorry
    for you..." so I missed the first part of that sentence that made the rest
    of it make sense). I'm interested in what he said about Basso and Ulrich,
    and any other things that came before the paragraph above.

    Thanks!

    Mark

  9. Mark Janeba said:

    (*)The people saying "cycling is not a sport" are clowns, not cynics -
    and usually they are the print-media equivalent of usenet trolls - i.e.
    they're saying what they are saying just to get a rise out of people.

    The day before the Tour, local talk radio dudes were running on about
    "that's not a sport," or "What God-given talent does Lance Armstrong
    have?" It's a ball-centric station, so for a while I was duped but I
    finally decided that they were just trolling. Despite loving to talk
    about golf (among other things), they're usually fairly smart by
    radio-geek standards.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  10. "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the


    skeptics:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great


    sporting

    Quoted message said:

    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.

    jj


    Probably those folks at Marlboro that want to fool everyone into thinking
    that Michael Schumacher is some kind of an athlete- eg. you can still be an
    athlete and smoke

    Laz

  11. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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    Quoted message said:

    "Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jet said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if he
    asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics:
    I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't
    believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This is a great
    sporting
    event and you should stand around and believe. You should believe in
    these
    athletes and you should believe in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF
    for as long as I live, and there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting
    event and hard work wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd think
    he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling is not
    a
    sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be worthy of
    justification.*

    Er...he was likely talking about people who go on and on about doping

    LA indicated he wished he could have delivered his remarks in French (but
    his French wasn't good enough) - I think his remarks were clearly not
    addressed to an international or American audience, but directly to the
    French. It's their event and I think he wants it known he thinks they
    have been, as a people (if one can make such a generalization), too harsh
    in their criticism and suspicion of drug use in cycling.


    I don't agree with you. I got the feeling he was speaking to the hundreds of
    millions of people watching worldwide, including the French. If he wanted to
    talk just to the French, his French is good enough to do it. He's been
    giving interviews in French for a couple of years now.

  12. Laz said:

    "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder
    if he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race.
    This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and
    believe. You should believe in these athletes and you should believe
    in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and
    there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work
    wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like
    'cycling is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb
    as to not be worthy of justification.

    jj


    Probably those folks at Marlboro that want to fool everyone into
    thinking that Michael Schumacher is some kind of an athlete- eg. you
    can still be an athlete and smoke

    Apparently ten years ago some (good) lightweight rowers used to smoke in the
    winter, drop it in spring and claim it was as good as training at altitude
    all winter.

    (not sure what to make of that, but I'm not trying it)

    Peter

  13. Laz said:

    "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder
    if he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race.
    This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and
    believe. You should believe in these athletes and you should believe
    in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and
    there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work
    wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like
    'cycling is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb
    as to not be worthy of justification.

    jj


    Probably those folks at Marlboro that want to fool everyone into
    thinking that Michael Schumacher is some kind of an athlete- eg. you
    can still be an athlete and smoke

    Apparently ten years ago some (good) lightweight rowers used to smoke in the
    winter, drop it in spring and claim it was as good as training at altitude
    all winter.

    (not sure what to make of that, but I'm not trying it)

    Peter

  14. Laz said:

    "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder
    if he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race.
    This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and
    believe. You should believe in these athletes and you should believe
    in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and
    there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work
    wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like
    'cycling is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb
    as to not be worthy of justification.

    jj


    Probably those folks at Marlboro that want to fool everyone into
    thinking that Michael Schumacher is some kind of an athlete- eg. you
    can still be an athlete and smoke

    Apparently ten years ago some (good) lightweight rowers used to smoke in the
    winter, drop it in spring and claim it was as good as training at altitude
    all winter.

    (not sure what to make of that, but I'm not trying it)

    Peter

  15. Laz said:

    "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder
    if he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race.
    This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and
    believe. You should believe in these athletes and you should believe
    in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and
    there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work
    wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like
    'cycling is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb
    as to not be worthy of justification.

    jj


    Probably those folks at Marlboro that want to fool everyone into
    thinking that Michael Schumacher is some kind of an athlete- eg. you
    can still be an athlete and smoke

    Apparently ten years ago some (good) lightweight rowers used to smoke in the
    winter, drop it in spring and claim it was as good as training at altitude
    all winter.

    (not sure what to make of that, but I'm not trying it)

    Peter

  16. Laz said:

    "Jet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder
    if he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race.
    This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and
    believe. You should believe in these athletes and you should believe
    in these people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and
    there are no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work
    wins it, so Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like
    'cycling is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb
    as to not be worthy of justification.

    jj


    Probably those folks at Marlboro that want to fool everyone into
    thinking that Michael Schumacher is some kind of an athlete- eg. you
    can still be an athlete and smoke

    Apparently ten years ago some (good) lightweight rowers used to smoke in the
    winter, drop it in spring and claim it was as good as training at altitude
    all winter.

    (not sure what to make of that, but I'm not trying it)

    Peter

  17. "DC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jet<[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if
    he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This
    is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe. You
    should believe in these athletes and you should believe in these
    people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and there are
    no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it, so
    Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling
    is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be
    worthy of justification.

    jj

    I don't think he was refering to people who say "cycling is not a sport".
    He was refering to those who think that all cyclists use dope to compete
    (like Laferty). I think he was saying that you have to believe that the
    best athletes in cycling are as good as they are because of the hard work
    they put into their sport.

    Maybe. There is a presumption on the part of a lot of fans that cyclists use
    drugs. That is one reason the Tour de France is a few hundred kilometres
    shorter this year, to make the course seem a little more human. Still, in
    nearly every race somebody gets caught, and that makes people feel as if the
    practice is widespread.--Lance Armstrong 2002

    "As sports fans, we prefer to dream about angels on wheels, Simon Pures
    somehow immune to the uppers and downers of our own pill-popping society.
    There is, all the same, a certain nobility in those who have gone down into
    God knows what hell in search of the best of themselves. We might feel
    tempted to tell them they should not have done it, but we can remain
    secretly proud of what they have done. Their wan, haggard looks are for us
    an offering." --Antoine Blondin

    "People are following this old model-run 'em down, chase 'em, find 'em,
    assume they are guilty, drag them into testing," he says. "And athletes
    still get away with stuff, and I maintain you can get away with stuff with
    everybody looking right at you."--Dr. Don Catlin

    More recently, the scope of cycling's drug habit has ballooned to
    cataclysmic levels. According to Jean-Francois Quinet, whose book on drugs
    and cycling, "Les Secrets du Dossier Festina" ("The Secrets of the Festina
    Affair"😉, debuted in France last week, close to 100 percent of the riders in
    recent Tours de France were using illegal substances. Their drug of choice
    was EPO (erythropoietin, which acts like the synthetically produced PFC but
    is a naturally occurring substance). Quinet estimates that because of EPO,
    as many as 80 riders died in the 1980s and '90s, their doped-up blood
    coagulated to stone.--Salon 1999

    So like Greg Lemond, I cannot just sit idly by watching our sport continue
    to suffer from cheating. It's time to tell the truth..........Many aspiring
    racers have confronted drug use as they rose through the ranks.
    Unfortunately, their silent answer to this insanity is often to quit racing
    at this level. Otherwise, they risk succumbing to the conventional wisdom
    that "since everyone takes drugs to be competitive, you should too." This
    must not continue to be the choice facing promising young racers.--Andy
    Hampsten 2004

    The Tour debacle has finally made it acceptable to say in public and without
    provocation what many have known for a long time, namely, that long-distance
    cycling has been the most consistently drug-soaked sport of the twentieth
    century........."For as long as the Tour has existed, since 1903, its
    participants have been doping themselves. No dope, no hope. The Tour, in
    fact, is only possible because -- not despite the fact -- there is doping.
    For 60 years this was allowed. For the past 30 years it has been officially
    prohibited. Yet the fact remains: great cyclists have been doping
    themselves, then as now." Hans Halter, "Alles verstehen, alles verzeihen,"
    Der Spiegel, 3 August 1998, 97.
    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/hoberman/tour.htm

    "They see television, 'Hey, Tour de France, whatya think about Lance
    Armstrong; isn't that great?' and they have fantasies about the sport," the
    coach says. "What we're seeing on television is not the same thing we're
    doing. Yeah, they're on pretty much the exact same bicycles. The tires are
    the same, the wheels, the pedals. And the way we race the bikes is pretty
    similar. "But, you know, we're not going to be injecting anybody with
    synthetic hormones. And it puts me in an awkward position because when
    parents ask, 'Do you think those guys are taking drugs?' my answer is, 'Yes,
    I do.' " What do the parents say then? "They think I'm crazy." --Tom Morris
    http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dave-kindred/20040712.html

    Enjoy the ride. ;-)

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    Jet<[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if
    he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This
    is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe. You
    should believe in these athletes and you should believe in these
    people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and there are
    no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it, so
    Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling
    is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be
    worthy of justification.

    jj

    I don't think he was refering to people who say "cycling is not a sport".
    He was refering to those who think that all cyclists use dope to compete
    (like Laferty). I think he was saying that you have to believe that the
    best athletes in cycling are as good as they are because of the hard work
    they put into their sport.

    Maybe. There is a presumption on the part of a lot of fans that cyclists use
    drugs. That is one reason the Tour de France is a few hundred kilometres
    shorter this year, to make the course seem a little more human. Still, in
    nearly every race somebody gets caught, and that makes people feel as if the
    practice is widespread.--Lance Armstrong 2002

    "As sports fans, we prefer to dream about angels on wheels, Simon Pures
    somehow immune to the uppers and downers of our own pill-popping society.
    There is, all the same, a certain nobility in those who have gone down into
    God knows what hell in search of the best of themselves. We might feel
    tempted to tell them they should not have done it, but we can remain
    secretly proud of what they have done. Their wan, haggard looks are for us
    an offering." --Antoine Blondin

    "People are following this old model-run 'em down, chase 'em, find 'em,
    assume they are guilty, drag them into testing," he says. "And athletes
    still get away with stuff, and I maintain you can get away with stuff with
    everybody looking right at you."--Dr. Don Catlin

    More recently, the scope of cycling's drug habit has ballooned to
    cataclysmic levels. According to Jean-Francois Quinet, whose book on drugs
    and cycling, "Les Secrets du Dossier Festina" ("The Secrets of the Festina
    Affair"😉, debuted in France last week, close to 100 percent of the riders in
    recent Tours de France were using illegal substances. Their drug of choice
    was EPO (erythropoietin, which acts like the synthetically produced PFC but
    is a naturally occurring substance). Quinet estimates that because of EPO,
    as many as 80 riders died in the 1980s and '90s, their doped-up blood
    coagulated to stone.--Salon 1999

    So like Greg Lemond, I cannot just sit idly by watching our sport continue
    to suffer from cheating. It's time to tell the truth..........Many aspiring
    racers have confronted drug use as they rose through the ranks.
    Unfortunately, their silent answer to this insanity is often to quit racing
    at this level. Otherwise, they risk succumbing to the conventional wisdom
    that "since everyone takes drugs to be competitive, you should too." This
    must not continue to be the choice facing promising young racers.--Andy
    Hampsten 2004

    The Tour debacle has finally made it acceptable to say in public and without
    provocation what many have known for a long time, namely, that long-distance
    cycling has been the most consistently drug-soaked sport of the twentieth
    century........."For as long as the Tour has existed, since 1903, its
    participants have been doping themselves. No dope, no hope. The Tour, in
    fact, is only possible because -- not despite the fact -- there is doping.
    For 60 years this was allowed. For the past 30 years it has been officially
    prohibited. Yet the fact remains: great cyclists have been doping
    themselves, then as now." Hans Halter, "Alles verstehen, alles verzeihen,"
    Der Spiegel, 3 August 1998, 97.
    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/hoberman/tour.htm

    "They see television, 'Hey, Tour de France, whatya think about Lance
    Armstrong; isn't that great?' and they have fantasies about the sport," the
    coach says. "What we're seeing on television is not the same thing we're
    doing. Yeah, they're on pretty much the exact same bicycles. The tires are
    the same, the wheels, the pedals. And the way we race the bikes is pretty
    similar. "But, you know, we're not going to be injecting anybody with
    synthetic hormones. And it puts me in an awkward position because when
    parents ask, 'Do you think those guys are taking drugs?' my answer is, 'Yes,
    I do.' " What do the parents say then? "They think I'm crazy." --Tom Morris
    http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dave-kindred/20040712.html

    Enjoy the ride. ;-)

  19. "DC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jet<[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if
    he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This
    is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe. You
    should believe in these athletes and you should believe in these
    people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and there are
    no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it, so
    Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling
    is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be
    worthy of justification.

    jj

    I don't think he was refering to people who say "cycling is not a sport".
    He was refering to those who think that all cyclists use dope to compete
    (like Laferty). I think he was saying that you have to believe that the
    best athletes in cycling are as good as they are because of the hard work
    they put into their sport.

    Maybe. There is a presumption on the part of a lot of fans that cyclists use
    drugs. That is one reason the Tour de France is a few hundred kilometres
    shorter this year, to make the course seem a little more human. Still, in
    nearly every race somebody gets caught, and that makes people feel as if the
    practice is widespread.--Lance Armstrong 2002

    "As sports fans, we prefer to dream about angels on wheels, Simon Pures
    somehow immune to the uppers and downers of our own pill-popping society.
    There is, all the same, a certain nobility in those who have gone down into
    God knows what hell in search of the best of themselves. We might feel
    tempted to tell them they should not have done it, but we can remain
    secretly proud of what they have done. Their wan, haggard looks are for us
    an offering." --Antoine Blondin

    "People are following this old model-run 'em down, chase 'em, find 'em,
    assume they are guilty, drag them into testing," he says. "And athletes
    still get away with stuff, and I maintain you can get away with stuff with
    everybody looking right at you."--Dr. Don Catlin

    More recently, the scope of cycling's drug habit has ballooned to
    cataclysmic levels. According to Jean-Francois Quinet, whose book on drugs
    and cycling, "Les Secrets du Dossier Festina" ("The Secrets of the Festina
    Affair"😉, debuted in France last week, close to 100 percent of the riders in
    recent Tours de France were using illegal substances. Their drug of choice
    was EPO (erythropoietin, which acts like the synthetically produced PFC but
    is a naturally occurring substance). Quinet estimates that because of EPO,
    as many as 80 riders died in the 1980s and '90s, their doped-up blood
    coagulated to stone.--Salon 1999

    So like Greg Lemond, I cannot just sit idly by watching our sport continue
    to suffer from cheating. It's time to tell the truth..........Many aspiring
    racers have confronted drug use as they rose through the ranks.
    Unfortunately, their silent answer to this insanity is often to quit racing
    at this level. Otherwise, they risk succumbing to the conventional wisdom
    that "since everyone takes drugs to be competitive, you should too." This
    must not continue to be the choice facing promising young racers.--Andy
    Hampsten 2004

    The Tour debacle has finally made it acceptable to say in public and without
    provocation what many have known for a long time, namely, that long-distance
    cycling has been the most consistently drug-soaked sport of the twentieth
    century........."For as long as the Tour has existed, since 1903, its
    participants have been doping themselves. No dope, no hope. The Tour, in
    fact, is only possible because -- not despite the fact -- there is doping.
    For 60 years this was allowed. For the past 30 years it has been officially
    prohibited. Yet the fact remains: great cyclists have been doping
    themselves, then as now." Hans Halter, "Alles verstehen, alles verzeihen,"
    Der Spiegel, 3 August 1998, 97.
    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/hoberman/tour.htm

    "They see television, 'Hey, Tour de France, whatya think about Lance
    Armstrong; isn't that great?' and they have fantasies about the sport," the
    coach says. "What we're seeing on television is not the same thing we're
    doing. Yeah, they're on pretty much the exact same bicycles. The tires are
    the same, the wheels, the pedals. And the way we race the bikes is pretty
    similar. "But, you know, we're not going to be injecting anybody with
    synthetic hormones. And it puts me in an awkward position because when
    parents ask, 'Do you think those guys are taking drugs?' my answer is, 'Yes,
    I do.' " What do the parents say then? "They think I'm crazy." --Tom Morris
    http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dave-kindred/20040712.html

    Enjoy the ride. ;-)

  20. "DC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jet<[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty good comments from the podium in what was the only time in TdF
    history that a person was allowed to speak from the podium. Wonder if
    he asked for it or if they offered him a chance to speak.

    <comments about Basso and Ullrich omitted>
    "For the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the
    skeptics: I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm
    sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one helluva race. This
    is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe. You
    should believe in these athletes and you should believe in these
    people. And I'm a fan of the TdF for as long as I live, and there are
    no secrets. This is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it, so
    Vive le Tour, forever. Than you."

    Wonder what got him thinking about these 'skeptics and cynics'? I'd
    think he'd have no trouble ignoring those that say things like 'cycling
    is not a sport; cyclists are not athletes'. That's so dumb as to not be
    worthy of justification.

    jj

    I don't think he was refering to people who say "cycling is not a sport".
    He was refering to those who think that all cyclists use dope to compete
    (like Laferty). I think he was saying that you have to believe that the
    best athletes in cycling are as good as they are because of the hard work
    they put into their sport.

    Maybe. There is a presumption on the part of a lot of fans that cyclists use
    drugs. That is one reason the Tour de France is a few hundred kilometres
    shorter this year, to make the course seem a little more human. Still, in
    nearly every race somebody gets caught, and that makes people feel as if the
    practice is widespread.--Lance Armstrong 2002

    "As sports fans, we prefer to dream about angels on wheels, Simon Pures
    somehow immune to the uppers and downers of our own pill-popping society.
    There is, all the same, a certain nobility in those who have gone down into
    God knows what hell in search of the best of themselves. We might feel
    tempted to tell them they should not have done it, but we can remain
    secretly proud of what they have done. Their wan, haggard looks are for us
    an offering." --Antoine Blondin

    "People are following this old model-run 'em down, chase 'em, find 'em,
    assume they are guilty, drag them into testing," he says. "And athletes
    still get away with stuff, and I maintain you can get away with stuff with
    everybody looking right at you."--Dr. Don Catlin

    More recently, the scope of cycling's drug habit has ballooned to
    cataclysmic levels. According to Jean-Francois Quinet, whose book on drugs
    and cycling, "Les Secrets du Dossier Festina" ("The Secrets of the Festina
    Affair"😉, debuted in France last week, close to 100 percent of the riders in
    recent Tours de France were using illegal substances. Their drug of choice
    was EPO (erythropoietin, which acts like the synthetically produced PFC but
    is a naturally occurring substance). Quinet estimates that because of EPO,
    as many as 80 riders died in the 1980s and '90s, their doped-up blood
    coagulated to stone.--Salon 1999

    So like Greg Lemond, I cannot just sit idly by watching our sport continue
    to suffer from cheating. It's time to tell the truth..........Many aspiring
    racers have confronted drug use as they rose through the ranks.
    Unfortunately, their silent answer to this insanity is often to quit racing
    at this level. Otherwise, they risk succumbing to the conventional wisdom
    that "since everyone takes drugs to be competitive, you should too." This
    must not continue to be the choice facing promising young racers.--Andy
    Hampsten 2004

    The Tour debacle has finally made it acceptable to say in public and without
    provocation what many have known for a long time, namely, that long-distance
    cycling has been the most consistently drug-soaked sport of the twentieth
    century........."For as long as the Tour has existed, since 1903, its
    participants have been doping themselves. No dope, no hope. The Tour, in
    fact, is only possible because -- not despite the fact -- there is doping.
    For 60 years this was allowed. For the past 30 years it has been officially
    prohibited. Yet the fact remains: great cyclists have been doping
    themselves, then as now." Hans Halter, "Alles verstehen, alles verzeihen,"
    Der Spiegel, 3 August 1998, 97.
    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/hoberman/tour.htm

    "They see television, 'Hey, Tour de France, whatya think about Lance
    Armstrong; isn't that great?' and they have fantasies about the sport," the
    coach says. "What we're seeing on television is not the same thing we're
    doing. Yeah, they're on pretty much the exact same bicycles. The tires are
    the same, the wheels, the pedals. And the way we race the bikes is pretty
    similar. "But, you know, we're not going to be injecting anybody with
    synthetic hormones. And it puts me in an awkward position because when
    parents ask, 'Do you think those guys are taking drugs?' my answer is, 'Yes,
    I do.' " What do the parents say then? "They think I'm crazy." --Tom Morris
    http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dave-kindred/20040712.html

    Enjoy the ride. ;-)

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