Are they copying me?

Nick Pedley said:

Does anyone know why cyclingforums.com at www.roadcycling.net holds a copy
of my message to this newsgroup? Is it only me or are others affected?

Yes, it's just you, Nick. They're stalking you!

Seriously, I have found my own posts there as well. I've not figured
out why .... but they seem to keep everything (including mis-posted
posts which have been successfully deleted from other servers.)

I don't know how long their archive goes back.

Judith

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Quoted message said:

Nick Pedley said:

Does anyone know why cyclingforums.com at www.roadcycling.net holds a copy
of my message to this newsgroup? Is it only me or are others affected?

Yes, it's just you, Nick. They're stalking you!

Seriously, I have found my own posts there as well. I've not figured
out why .... but they seem to keep everything (including mis-posted
posts which have been successfully deleted from other servers.)

I don't know how long their archive goes back.

Big Brother is watching you ! Everything you say on the internet or
telephone is being recorded. If *someone* thinks you're potentially
dangerous even your letters aren't private and you can forget privacy in
your own home.
Reading your own usenet message on a cyclingforum is quite *harmless*.

--
Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

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Reading your own usenet message on a cyclingforum is quite *harmless*.

Perhaps that should be a re-cycling forum :-)

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In article said:

Just did a Google while looking for another pair of Brasher boots and found
a report about buying said boots on a cycling website... a report written by
me?!

Does anyone know why cyclingforums.com at www.roadcycling.net holds a copy
of my message to this newsgroup? Is it only me or are others affected?

No, it's not just you. It's especially common in the electronics and
embedded computing newsgroups. If you do a search for "Simon Clubley"
(including quotes), you will see my Usenet messages duplicated on several
websites.

I think that these sites do it to increase site content/page hits, and
hence draw extra advertising income.

Simon.

PS: If you look, don't confuse me with the advertising guy or the naughty
(ex-) bank manager. :-)

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century

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Nick Pedley said:

Just did a Google while looking for another pair of Brasher boots and
found a report about buying said boots on a cycling website... a
report written by me?!

Does anyone know why cyclingforums.com at www.roadcycling.net holds a
copy of my message to this newsgroup? Is it only me or are others
affected?

Nick

If you want to make a fuss, then you could exercise your rights of
copyright ownership. You may have accepted that your IP can be
distributed and read in the newsgroups in which you originally posted
them but that doesn't automatically give someone the right to copy them
and distribute them in a different format, such as on a website or a
bulletin board.

I made complaints against some websites in the US which were copying
parts of my website and then packaging them up as a subscription service
to help school kids with their homework. These sites were using my
material without my permission and without asking my permission.

--
o/ \\ // || ,_ o Mike Clark, "An antibody engineer who also
<\__,\\ // __o || / /\, likes the mountains"
"> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Cambridge Climbing and Caving Club
` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/cccc/>

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:36:44 +0100, Mike Clark <[email hidden]> wrote:

| In message <[email hidden]>
| "Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| > Just did a Google while looking for another pair of Brasher boots and
| > found a report about buying said boots on a cycling website... a
| > report written by me?!
| >
| > Does anyone know why cyclingforums.com at www.roadcycling.net holds a
| > copy of my message to this newsgroup? Is it only me or are others
| > affected?
| >
| > Nick
| >
|
| If you want to make a fuss, then you could exercise your rights of
| copyright ownership. You may have accepted that your IP can be
| distributed and read in the newsgroups in which you originally posted
| them but that doesn't automatically give someone the right to copy them
| and distribute them in a different format, such as on a website or a
| bulletin board.
|
| I made complaints against some websites in the US which were copying
| parts of my website and then packaging them up as a subscription service
| to help school kids with their homework. These sites were using my
| material without my permission and without asking my permission.

I put things like my Yorkshire dialect stuff into the Public Domain,
classing the work as Pro Bono Publico. There is absolutely no way one can
enforce copyright across national boundaries and jurisdictions.

--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency
Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and
against it enter the number of the person you would want to be
contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Nick Pedley"

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Just did a Google while looking for another pair of Brasher boots and

found

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a report about buying said boots on a cycling website... a report

written by

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me?!

Does anyone know why cyclingforums.com at www.roadcycling.net holds a

copy

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of my message to this newsgroup? Is it only me or are others affected?

No, it's not just you. It's especially common in the electronics and
embedded computing newsgroups. If you do a search for "Simon Clubley"
(including quotes), you will see my Usenet messages duplicated on several
websites.

I think that these sites do it to increase site content/page hits, and
hence draw extra advertising income.

That's my main complaint. I'm not a subscriber to the site in question but
it could be misread that I am and that anyone joining that site might expect
to be able to contact me via their forum, which is not true.

Nick

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Dave Fawthrop said:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:36:44 +0100, Mike Clark <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

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|
| If you want to make a fuss, then you could exercise your rights of
| copyright ownership. You may have accepted that your IP can be
| distributed and read in the newsgroups in which you originally
| posted them but that doesn't automatically give someone the right to
| copy them and distribute them in a different format, such as on a
| website or a bulletin board.
|
| I made complaints against some websites in the US which were copying
| parts of my website and then packaging them up as a subscription
| service to help school kids with their homework. These sites were
| using my material without my permission and without asking my
| permission.

I put things like my Yorkshire dialect stuff into the Public Domain,
classing the work as Pro Bono Publico. There is absolutely no way
one can enforce copyright across national boundaries and
jurisdictions.

Ultimately what you would have to do is take legal action within each
country in which you wished to enforce your rights to copyright. However
just because you publish your material in one country doesn't mean that
you only have copyright in that one country. Of course what you have to
decide is how much fuss you are prepared to make.

In my example, once I had complained that my copyright was being
breached the websites removed the material. What I objected to was
someone else selling information that I was prepared to make available
for free and without asking my permission.

Mike
--
o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark, C.U. Department of Pathology
<\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "a mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
"> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"<http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>

Mike Clark said:

If you want to make a fuss, then you could exercise your rights of
copyright ownership. You may have accepted that your IP can be
distributed and read in the newsgroups in which you originally posted
them but that doesn't automatically give someone the right to copy them
and distribute them in a different format, such as on a website or a
bulletin board.

Interesting - I've noticed these sites before when searching for
information. I can't stand the fact that someone is making money out
of information given freely. It goes against the principal of usenet.

I quick search reveals these -

http://www.ureader.co.uk/group/312-25.aspx
http://www.cyclingforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=190
http://news-reader.org/uk.rec.walking/

Daytona

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Daytona said:

Mike Clark said:

If you want to make a fuss, then you could exercise your rights of
copyright ownership. You may have accepted that your IP can be
distributed and read in the newsgroups in which you originally posted
them but that doesn't automatically give someone the right to copy them
and distribute them in a different format, such as on a website or a
bulletin board.

Interesting - I've noticed these sites before when searching for
information. I can't stand the fact that someone is making money out
of information given freely. It goes against the principal of usenet.

I quick search reveals these -

http://www.ureader.co.uk/group/312-25.aspx
http://www.cyclingforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=190
http://news-reader.org/uk.rec.walking/

Daytona

Those links appear to be nothing more than alternative web interfaces to
usenet postings. As such I don't regard them as much different from
somebody reading the postings on a newgroup directly with a standard
newsreader. Certainly you can see the details of the original postings
and threads. It's not quite the same as someone borrowing your words and
disguising the source, or using them in a different way (e.g. using
them in a sales brochure or magazine) without permission.

--
o/ \\ // || ,_ o Mike Clark, "An antibody engineer who also
<\__,\\ // __o || / /\, likes the mountains"
"> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Cambridge Climbing and Caving Club
` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/cccc/>

nickl said:

Hi

I'm new to this forum but when joining I stumbled across it via a
cycling forum.

I read somewhere that the posts off of this forum are shared if they
are of benefit to other forums.

Grab the other end of the stick nick1. This is not a forum in the
web-sense of the word, this is usenet, it's a newsgroup. If you are
accessing it through a web-site then you're doing it the hard way.

As a long-time lover of usenet I hate that there are web-based
interfaces to it (probably illogical but 'taint right[1]).

Justin.

[1] Where's my quill and parchment, I've a mind to send a scroll to my
feudal master.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

Justin C said:

nickl said:

Hi

I'm new to this forum but when joining I stumbled across it via a
cycling forum.

I read somewhere that the posts off of this forum are shared if they
are of benefit to other forums.

Grab the other end of the stick nick1. This is not a forum in the
web-sense of the word, this is usenet, it's a newsgroup. If you are
accessing it through a web-site then you're doing it the hard way.

As a long-time lover of usenet I hate that there are web-based
interfaces to it (probably illogical but 'taint right[1]).

I use a newsreader at home and Google Groups in the office (only at
lunchtime - honest). However, I stumbled across www.ureader.co.uk today.
Might be useful, but is way behind even Google.

druidh

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:48:07 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As a long-time lover of usenet I hate that there are web-based
interfaces to it (probably illogical but 'taint right[1]).

I use a newsreader at home and Google Groups in the office (only at
lunchtime - honest).

Same here ...... but sometimes lunch starts at 08:30!

Quoted message said:

However, I stumbled across www.ureader.co.uk today.
Might be useful, but is way behind even Google.

I found that google didn't update all day on Wednesday when I was at
work. I was trying to find another web-based news reader, so thanks
for the tip.

Judith