Are these Jan's WMD????

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts? Of course that doesn't help if people keep
responding to her. Hmm.. there's an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these
conversations and get back to enjoying list.

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:21:31 -0600, "Alternative Nature Herbals"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

If you don't know why Jan is the main topic of the list then you truly are clueless. People would
prefer to discuss alt.medicine but Jan won't allow skeptics to express skepticism and she injects
bigotry, antisemitism and hatred. Or had you not noticed??

Jan of course will respond to your post by saying that people don't like her because she got results
from alternative medicine. Jan will also interpret your subject header as coming to her defense by
trying to get people to take the heat off of her. You are simply adding to the problem we have here.

Quoted message said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts?

What made it a good group in your opinion?

I have been reading and posting here since mha began over ten years ago. There have always been
certain individuals who would interfere with open discussion. Jan Drew just happens to be the
worst IMO.

Antisemitism, bigotry and hatred should not be ignored. They need to be confronted head on. Jan
wants people to ignore her so that she could post her drivel with impunity. This will not happen.

If enough people (including you) confront her instead of defend her then she will either stop
posting her hatred or leave the group. In either case the group will be better off if that happens.

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Of course that doesn't help if people keep responding to her. Hmm.. there's an idea... I can just
block everyone who engages in these conversations and get back to enjoying list.

Do you plan on blocking Jan?? Just curious. If not, why not?? And any thoughts about Jan's tendency
to derail perfectly reasonable discussions by attacking skeptics personally.

Could you explain what you enjoy about this list? Sadly due to Jan mostly there are no real
discussions pro and con about alternative medicine. They always get derailed by her intrusion. That
is why she must be confronted and not ignored.

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness. From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/21/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

<[email hidden]

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Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.

Peter Moran

God Bless You, and I forgive you, now go no more and ****make no claims

that aren't

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truthful and I will do the same.****

Is Jan using WMD's???

*W*ords of *M*ass *D*eception!

I thought "WMD" stood for "Whining of Misanthropic Douche' Bags"

Quoted message said:

Subject: why is jan the main topic of list?
From: "Alternative Nature Herbals" [email hidden]
Date: 2/23/2004 7:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts?

Because they are obsessed with hatred and personal trashing.

Richard H Jacboson has a pattern, long before me.

While he will rambling on and say it is me, he has nuked his past posts because they show the exact
same pattern with others.

He has been successful with running others off. It eats his socks that he is unsuccessful with me,
and has not intimated me. You will most likely see the only posts he makes are about me. Even his
peers have asked him to stop. He can't.

He attacks any and all who have used alternative medicine with success.

Then there is the fact that I call their lies, and prove them with their words.

For a look at Rich's pattern, that he nuked, but are in others' post see:

tinyurl.com39u2gOpen ↗

Jan

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Subject: Are these Jan's WMD????
From: "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004" [email hidden]
Date: 2/23/2004 6:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness. From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/21/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

<[email hidden]

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Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.

Peter Moran

God Bless You, and I forgive you, now go no more and ****make no claims

that aren't

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truthful and I will do the same.****

Is Jan using WMD's???

*W*ords of *M*ass *D*eception!

There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng).

He is making light of forgiveness.

Jan

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: why is jan the main topic of list? From: "Alternative Nature Herbals"
[email hidden] Date: 2/23/2004 7:21 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts?

Because they are obsessed with hatred and personal trashing.

<snip more gratuitous personal attacks........whoops, nothing left>

Jan is one to talk about obsession with hatred and personal trashing. She has cornered the market on
it. Since Jan is bringing up hatred and personal trashing I think it appropriate to post some of her
statements which show her to be an antisemitic bigot:

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Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10
commandments here on the ng.

That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for
each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to
have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and
are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word. That
was the start of debunking. Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried to debunk his words, and
even debunked his miracles whch happened right before their eyes.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now
debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all
filled with hate.

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in any
way involved.

The above quotes were all said by Jan. She apologizes for none of it. Evil does not get any more
apparent. It is so sad that Jan is completely unaware of her anger and intolerance. Maybe if she
dealt with some of the anger, her health would improve.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: Cue Jan to start another thread attacking me. Just watch.
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(Jan) said:

There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng).

Now what on earth does the religion of this person have to do with anything? Answer: Nothing. But
since Jan is a Jew hater she is quick to connect hatred and Judaism. Sad that.

Aloha,

Rich

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Alternative Nature Herbals said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts? Of course that doesn't help if people keep
responding to her. Hmm.. there's an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these
conversations and get back to enjoying list.

You must be a newbie.

Assuming you truly are interested in an open discussion of alt-med that includes skeptics as well as
advocates, I'll tell you.

Any time anyone tries to voice any skepticism towards alt-med or towards any of Jan's claims, she is
quick to inject fundamentalist religious rants, anti-Semitism, and various conspiracy theories about
the "suppression" of alt-med, many of which are self-contradicting. I used to ignore Jan for the
most part, but in the last couple of weeks her persistent anti-Semitism and tendency to label anyone
who disagrees with her a "liar" got on my nerves.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Are these Jan's WMD???? From: "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004"

[email hidden]

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Quoted message said:

Date: 2/23/2004 6:39 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

>Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness. From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
>Date: 2/21/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]

u

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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>
>Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.
>
>Peter Moran

God Bless You, and I forgive you, now go no more and ****make no claims

that aren't

Quoted message said:

truthful and I will do the same.****

Is Jan using WMD's???

*W*ords of *M*ass *D*eception!

There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng).

He is making light of forgiveness.

I would never make light of uncondtional foregiveness. Your "foregiveness" was conditional and,
thus, not valid.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Alternative Nature Herbals said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts? Of course that doesn't help if people keep
responding to her. Hmm.. there's an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these
conversations and get back to enjoying list.

There are some people, like me, who do killfile Jan -- but then we wind up seeing the people who
respond to everything she writes, and it all starts to seem so futile sometimes...

On the other hand, maybe she's the glue that holds m.h.a together!

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Alternative Nature Herbals

Quoted message said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her

posts?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Of course that doesn't help if people keep responding to her. Hmm..

there's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these conversations

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get back to enjoying list.

There are some people, like me, who do killfile Jan -- but then we wind up seeing the people who
respond to everything she writes, and it all starts to seem so futile sometimes...

On the other hand, maybe she's the glue that holds m.h.a together!

Turd in the punchbowl?

carabelli

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:01:10 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

There are some people, like me, who do killfile Jan -- but then we wind up seeing the people who
respond to everything she writes, and it all starts to seem so futile sometimes...

On the other hand, maybe she's the glue that holds m.h.a together!

Crazy glue??

Aloha,

Rich

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: Are these Jan's WMD???? From: "Mark Probert-February 23, 2004"

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Date: 2/24/2004 11:46 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
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>Subject: Are these Jan's WMD???? From: "Mark Probert-February 21, 2004"

[email hidden]

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>Date: 2/23/2004 6:39 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
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>
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>m28.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: What The Bible Teaches About Forgivness. From: "Peter Moran"
>> >[email hidden] Date: 2/21/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
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>> >Enough, Jan. I forgive you. Everything.
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claims

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>> truthful and I will do the same.****
>
>Is Jan using WMD's???
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>*W*ords of *M*ass *D*eception!

There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng).

He is making light of forgiveness.

I would never make light of uncondtional foregiveness. Your

"foregiveness"

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was conditional and, thus, not valid.

I will forgive you for judging my forgiveness. That is God's job.

You would do well to stay out of others' forgiving.

Why?

Pointing out your hypocrisy is an honorable thing.

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: why is jan the main topic of list? From: Orac [email hidden] Date: 2/23/2004 6:28
PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>, "Alternative Nature Herbals"

Quoted message said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her posts? Of course that doesn't help if people keep
responding to her. Hmm.. there's an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these
conversations and get back to enjoying list.

You must be a newbie.

Assuming you truly are interested in an open discussion of alt-med that includes skeptics as well
as advocates, I'll tell you.

Any time anyone tries to voice any skepticism towards alt-med or towards any of Jan's claims, she
is quick to inject fundamentalist religious rants, anti-Semitism, and various conspiracy theories
about the "suppression" of alt-med, many of which are self-contradicting. I used to ignore Jan
for the most part, but in the last couple of weeks her persistent anti-Semitism and tendency to
label anyone who disagrees with her a "liar" got on my nerves.

Orac is lying through his teeth.

<snip>

And there she is, right on cue.

Mark, MD

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: why is jan the main topic of list? From: [email hidden] (Mark) Date:
2/25/2004 11:32 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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>Subject: Re: why is jan the main topic of list? From: Orac [email hidden] Date: 2/23/2004
>6:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
>Any time anyone tries to voice any skepticism towards alt-med or

towards

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>any of Jan's claims, she is quick to inject fundamentalist religious rants, anti-Semitism, and
>various conspiracy theories about the "suppression" of alt-med, many of which are self-
>contradicting. I used to ignore Jan for the most part, but in the last couple of weeks her
>persistent anti-Semitism and tendency to label anyone who disagrees

with

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>her a "liar" got on my nerves.

Orac is lying through his teeth.

<snip>

And there she is, right on cue.

Mark, MD

You betcha.

Expect me to response to the lies told here.

What lies? I have already provided examples of your characterizing statements with which you
disagree "lies" even when they are not. So Orac's statement that you do so is NOT a lie. Your anti-
Semitism is well established by now, and I doubt that you, yourself will deny that you are a
fundamentalist. So, where is the "lie"?

--Rich

I have blocked every person (including Jan) who posts negative comments about Jan (Unrelated to
natural medicine) a few months ago.

This makes this group useful and i suggest you do the same and not feed these OCD trolls.

...and hello!

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Quoted message said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her

posts?

Quoted message said:

Of course that doesn't help if people keep responding to her. Hmm..

there's

Quoted message said:

an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these conversations

and

Quoted message said:

get back to enjoying list.

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Soap for Poison Ivy and all skin conditions altnature.comaltnature.comOpen ↗

Notice the posts and how all the names are called? Those are the classic signatures of the trolls.

Easy huh?

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Quoted message said:

This used to be a good group but all this [censored] makes it hard to sort through. If this Jan is so
horrible why don't you all just block her

posts?

Quoted message said:

Of course that doesn't help if people keep responding to her. Hmm..

there's

Quoted message said:

an idea... I can just block everyone who engages in these conversations

and

Quoted message said:

get back to enjoying list.

Go in peace, Karen Bergeron Alternative Nature Online Herbal Photo Galleries Amazing Jewelweed
Soap for Poison Ivy and all skin conditions altnature.comaltnature.comOpen ↗