Appreciable benefit from doing this?

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Appkiller said:

I have a fair number of spacers under the stem on one of my road bikes
- about 1.6" or so. The stem is one of them there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

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The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight?

If the bars end up in the right place, that's all that matters.

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Quoted message said:

I have a fair number of spacers under the stem on one of my road bikes
- about 1.6" or so. The stem is one of them there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight?

It will change the forward reach slightly which could be either good or
bad, depending on how the fit is now. Or the change may not enough to
worry about either way.

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On 21 Apr 2004 08:00:07 -0700, [email hidden] (Appkiller) may

have said:

I have a fair number of spacers under the stem on one of my road bikes
- about 1.6" or so. The stem is one of them there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight?

It has been supposed that some stems are better able to bear a load in
one direction than the other, but in my opinion, this is only likely
to be a concern with a stem that's not properly designed and/or
constructed to begin with. Other than that, by shortening the
steerer, you might reduce steer tube flex slightly (a change whose
benefit is probably infinitesimal if any), but the single biggest
effect will be that you'll reduce the number of options you have
available for bar position in the future. 25 grams is a small thing
to lose, but that potential future utility might not be. I'd leave it
as-is, or flip the stem and leave the spacers *on top* if you're
curious about the potential benefits of reduced steerer flex.

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David Kerber' ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

It will change the forward reach slightly which could be either
good or bad, depending on how the fit is now.

If the height is unaltered, so is the reach. Draw yourself am isosceles
triangle with the steerer as the base.

James Thomson

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David Kerber' ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

It will change the forward reach slightly which could be either
good or bad, depending on how the fit is now.

If the height is unaltered, so is the reach. Draw yourself am isosceles
triangle with the steerer as the base.

You're right; my bad!

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[email hidden] (Appkiller) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I have a fair number of spacers under the stem on one of my road bikes
- about 1.6" or so. The stem is one of them there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight?

App

Yeah, your bike will be about and ounce lighter. Good for bragging
rights and avoiding the shame of having all those silly spacers on
your steerer. Beyond that, no difference, nada, nothing.

If you want to save another ounce or two, go get a haircut.

Jeff

On 21 Apr 2004 08:00:07 -0700, [email hidden] (Appkiller)

Quoted message said:

I have a fair number of spacers under the stem on one of my road bikes
- about 1.6" or so. The stem is one of them there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight?

It will, IMO, look nicer; and in an (unlikely) endo, the risk to
your genitalia is reduced. Also, it inflames retrogrouches who think
a '7'-shaped quill stem is the only reasonable way to attach
handlebars...that's enough reason in and of itself.

Personally, I'd flip the stem but leave the steer tube uncut; that
ought to REALLY [censored] those retrogrouches.
--
Rick Onanian

James Thomson said:

David Kerber' ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

It will change the forward reach slightly which could be either
good or bad, depending on how the fit is now.

If the height is unaltered, so is the reach. Draw yourself am isosceles
triangle with the steerer as the base.

Or be lazy...

http://www.habcycles.com/fitting.html

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On 21 Apr 2004 08:00:07 -0700, [email hidden] (Appkiller)

Quoted message said:

I have a fair number of spacers under the stem on one of my road bikes
- about 1.6" or so. The stem is one of them there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight?

It will, IMO, look nicer; and in an (unlikely) endo, the risk to
your genitalia is reduced. Also, it inflames retrogrouches who think
a '7'-shaped quill stem is the only reasonable way to attach
handlebars...that's enough reason in and of itself.

Personally, I'd flip the stem but leave the steer tube uncut; that
ought to REALLY [censored] those retrogrouches.

Heck I've got spacers on top of my stem!

But then I'm a bit weird since I like to adjust the stem height based
on how early in the season it is /// how far I intend to ride /// how
flexable I feel ///whether I'm riding flats or hills...

Doing that bugs everyone!

But whats best is the number of people try to explain why its wrong...

pete-<< there flippy types with
about a 80 degree angle on it (110 degree flipped, when all the
cipherin' is said and done).

The steerer is 1" aluminium. Will there be benefit to flipping the
stem and cutting down the steerer besides the loss of about 25 gms of
weight? >><BR><BR>

If the hbars are in the same place...nope...but those 25 grams ...pretty
heavy!!!

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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But then I'm a bit weird since I like to adjust the stem height based
on how early in the season it is /// how far I intend to ride /// how
flexable I feel ///whether I'm riding flats or hills...

Same here. And when faced with riding 10-20 miles into a stiff breeze to get
home, it's nice to flip the stem over and drop the bars about 3".

I also like risers - because you can rotate them forwards/backwards as the mood
strikes.

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PeteCresswell

On 22 Apr 2004 05:34:56 -0700, [email hidden] (ajames54)

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Personally, I'd flip the stem but leave the steer tube uncut; that
ought to REALLY [censored] those retrogrouches.

But then I'm a bit weird since I like to adjust the stem height based
on how early in the season it is /// how far I intend to ride /// how
flexable I feel ///whether I'm riding flats or hills...

I've had that same idea, but out of laziness, I just set it at a
reasonable position and leave it.

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Doing that bugs everyone!
But whats best is the number of people try to explain why its wrong...

*giggle*
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Rick Onanian