Apple Cider Vinegar

Barry said:

Many claims re the health benefits of daily consumption of 2 or 3

teaspoons

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of apple cider vinegar.

I believe that is a health claim of Paul Bragg and perhaps of the
Natural Hygiene movement. I see no basis for this health claim.

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From my study of history, I beleive that it goes way back to the

colinal days when vinegar was thought to be able to purify water. Many
of the health practices of the Natural Hygiene movement actually first
showed up as allopathic theory.
--
john gohde
check out my history tutorials at:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Barry said:

Many claims re the health benefits of daily consumption of 2 or 3
teaspoons of apple cider vinegar.

I believe that is a health claim of Paul Bragg and perhaps of the
Natural Hygiene movement. I see no basis for this health claim.

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From my study of history, I beleive that it goes way back to the

colinal days when vinegar was thought to be able to purify water.
Many of the health practices of the Natural Hygiene movement actually
first showed up as allopathic theory.

There are studies in Medline that vinegar helps to lower blood sugar.
That evidence is pretty clear.

--
Juhana

Juhana Harju said:

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Barry said:

Many claims re the health benefits of daily consumption of 2 or 3
teaspoons of apple cider vinegar.

I believe that is a health claim of Paul Bragg and perhaps of the
Natural Hygiene movement. I see no basis for this health claim.

Quoted message said:

From my study of history, I beleive that it goes way back to the

colinal days when vinegar was thought to be able to purify water.
Many of the health practices of the Natural Hygiene movement actually
first showed up as allopathic theory.

There are studies in Medline that vinegar helps to lower blood sugar.
That evidence is pretty clear.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9630389

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7796781

--
Juhana

Juhana Harju said:

There are studies in Medline that vinegar helps to lower blood sugar.
That evidence is pretty clear.

You provided two citations.

I would conclude from them that eating a salad with an oil and vinegar
dressing before a starchy meal would be a reasonable thing do do for
someone with diabetes, Symdrom-X, or the extremely overweight.

I see nothing that would suggest that you should be drinking Apple
Cider Vinegar, which just happens to be the subject of this thread.
Paul Bragg advocated the regular drinking of Apple Cider Vinegar.

I just happen to have two citations of my own.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12376715
Chung CH.
Corrosive oesophageal injury following vinegar ingestion.
Hong Kong Med J. 2002 Oct;8(5):365-6.
PMID: 12376715

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10720985
Korkmaz A, Sahiner U, Yurdakok M.
Chemical burn caused by topical vinegar application in a newborn
infant.
Pediatr Dermatol. 2000 Jan-Feb;17(1):34-6.
PMID: 10720985
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/

Juhana Harju said:

There are studies in Medline that vinegar helps to lower blood sugar.
That evidence is pretty clear.

You provided two citations.

I would conclude from them that eating a salad with an oil and vinegar
dressing before a starchy meal would be a reasonable thing do do for
someone with diabetes, Symdrom-X, or the extremely overweight.

I see nothing that would suggest that you should be drinking Apple
Cider Vinegar, which just happens to be the subject of this thread.
Paul Bragg advocated the regular drinking of Apple Cider Vinegar.

I just happen to have two citations of my own.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12376715
Chung CH.
Corrosive oesophageal injury following vinegar ingestion.
Hong Kong Med J. 2002 Oct;8(5):365-6.
PMID: 12376715

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10720985
Korkmaz A, Sahiner U, Yurdakok M.
Chemical burn caused by topical vinegar application in a newborn
infant.
Pediatr Dermatol. 2000 Jan-Feb;17(1):34-6.
PMID: 10720985
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Juhana Harju said:

There are studies in Medline that vinegar helps to lower blood sugar.
That evidence is pretty clear.

You provided two citations.

I would conclude from them that eating a salad with an oil and vinegar
dressing before a starchy meal would be a reasonable thing do do for
someone with diabetes, Symdrom-X, or the extremely overweight.

I see nothing that would suggest that you should be drinking Apple
Cider Vinegar, which just happens to be the subject of this thread.
Paul Bragg advocated the regular drinking of Apple Cider Vinegar.

I just happen to have two citations of my own.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12376715

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Chung CH.
Corrosive oesophageal injury following vinegar ingestion.
Hong Kong Med J. 2002 Oct;8(5):365-6.
PMID: 12376715

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10720985

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Korkmaz A, Sahiner U, Yurdakok M.
Chemical burn caused by topical vinegar application in a newborn
infant.
Pediatr Dermatol. 2000 Jan-Feb;17(1):34-6.
PMID: 10720985

Using plain common sense is allowed. No one is recommending the use of
undiluted vinegar.

There are some dietitians who recommend the use of vinegar in
controlling insulin resistance and diabetes. Fredrik Paulún, the author
of a Swedish book Blodsockerblues [Blood Sugar Blues] is one of those.
He says that there are many diabetics are using vinegar in controlling
there diabetes. Personally I don't have any diabetes.

--
Juhana

Juhana Harju said:

Using plain common sense is allowed. No one is recommending the use

of

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undiluted vinegar.

Yeah, and my commonssense questions the wisdom of drinking something
that has the potential of burning my stomach.

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There are some dietitians who recommend the use of vinegar in
controlling insulin resistance and diabetes.

Having to control insulin resistance, happens to be an abnormal health
condition. Any normal person eating a healthy diet doesn't have to
worry about any such thing. Now, I see plenty of people trying to
continue an unhealthy diet, at any cost.

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He says that there are many diabetics are using vinegar in

controlling

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there diabetes.

I can name at least three other ways of controlling blood sugar.
#1: Eat a healthy diet.
#2: Consume the food spice cinnamon
#3: High protein powder based drinks.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/

"Yeah, and my commonssense questions the wisdom of drinking something
that has the potential of burning my stomach."

How do you think the ph of the hydrochloric acid in the stomach compares
with that of common cider? Check it out.

"I can name at least three other ways of controlling blood sugar.
#1: Eat a healthy diet.
#2: Consume the food spice cinnamon
#3: High protein powder based drinks."

What "healthy" diet have you in mind for someone who must control blood
glucose? How much effect does cinnamon have? And what diet is your last
suggestion most like? Check itout.

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Low message traffic, Toad?

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What "healthy" diet have you in mind for
someone who must control blood glucose?
How much effect does cinnamon have? And
what diet is your last suggestion most
like? Check itout.

Let me quote the original question.

"Greetings Everyone.
Many claims re the health benefits of daily consumption
of 2 or 3 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar. Some of
these claims relate to control of arteriosclerosis and
Cholesterol and blood pressure."

Since, I was writing on this specific THREAD: none. The connection
between blood sugar cholesterol is hardly that strong. Besides, I
started out recommending anybody eating a very unhealthy high starch
meal by starting with a fresh salad with oil & vinegar dressing. Don't
you read, Toad? Is anybody stopping anybody from eating a raw food
diet? Is anybody stopping anybody from adding vinegar to their salad
dressing? Don't you eat 2 salads a day, Toad?

Furthermore, I don't practice nor am I interested in "clinical"
nutrition.

But, since I know how the academic research paper game works I would be
willing to bet that since how effective vinegar actually is was NEVER
clearly highlighted or stressed in those two cited abstracts, I would
say next to none.

It is the same story with garlic. Yeah, garlic has been shown to lower
cholesterol until you finally figure out that you have to eat enough
garlic to choke a horse before you will lower your cholesterol 10
points. For, having to choke on 7 plus grams of garlic a day your
cholesterol should have to drop at least 100 points.

Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/

Ah, par for the course, my questions were not answered even though they
were rehashes of assertions you made and should be easy to answer.
Leaving that aside:

"Furthermore, I don't practice nor am I interested in "clinical"
nutrition."

Ah, there is the answer, the assertions you made were about clinical
nutrition, which you now confess were in fact just an exercise in blowing
air to see the pretty bubbles.

"But, since I know how the academic research paper game works I would be
willing to bet that since how effective vinegar actually is was NEVERclearly highlighted or stressed in those two cited abstracts, I would
say next to none."

If you know how research papers are done and what is often in an abstract
why do you make the silly assertion above? Oh what pretty bubbles. Not
only is there that speicific information available, but is is reflected in
multiple research studies related to the same topic of the effect of
acedic acid and related organic acids on glucose levels, with pretty
graphs and charts etc. and not a pretty bubble in sight; blurp, blurp, now
how did you get in that aquarium anyhow. Can we expect a follow
confession as above that you are not in the end an expert in this area
also?

Ah, par for the course, my questions were not answered even though they
were rehashes of assertions you made and should be easy to answer.
Leaving that aside:

"Furthermore, I don't practice nor am I interested in "clinical"
nutrition."

Ah, there is the answer, the assertions you made were about clinical
nutrition, which you now confess were in fact just an exercise in blowing
air to see the pretty bubbles.

"But, since I know how the academic research paper game works I would be
willing to bet that since how effective vinegar actually is was NEVERclearly highlighted or stressed in those two cited abstracts, I would
say next to none."

If you know how research papers are done and what is often in an abstract
why do you make the silly assertion above? Oh what pretty bubbles. Not
only is there that speicific information available, but is is reflected in
multiple research studies related to the same topic of the effect of
acedic acid and related organic acids on glucose levels, with pretty
graphs and charts etc. and not a pretty bubble in sight; blurp, blurp, now
how did you get in that aquarium anyhow. Can we expect a follow
confession as above that you are not in the end an expert in this area
also?

Dude-

Please don't feed the trolls.

Thanks!

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Ah, par for the course, my questions were not answered even though

they

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were rehashes of assertions you made and should be easy to answer.
Leaving that aside:

When a stray cat wonders in off the street, I do not believe in feeding
it.

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For, having to choke on 7 plus grams of garlic a day your
cholesterol should have to drop at least 100 points.

I love the sweet taste of raw garlic bulbs. I eat them like pickles or candy
with my meals. I'd eat as much even if it RAISED cholesterol.

I suppose you know VERMONT FOLK MEDICINE? A very popular book around the
1970s.

Skinny
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Barry said:

Greetings Everyone.
Many claims re the health benefits of daily consumption of 2 or 3

teaspoons

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of apple cider vinegar. Some of these claims relate to control of
arteriosclerosis and Cholesterol and blood pressure. Would be interested

to hear

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the experience of people that have taken this product. I can't find any

real

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clinical studies on the 'net. Thankyou.
Regards, Barry