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  1. I'm desperately trying to decide whether or not to get a Hunter frame on
    my U-Turn 29er I'm getting. I really like the look of them, but have no
    idea as to how well they perform. Would one be worth the extra $240 over
    a Sem XL frame?

    Any advice/opinions would be much appreciated!

    Cheers,
    James

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  2. I have a major case of Hunter-lust. They are SOOOOO beautiful! I don't
    own one but would like to. Several of my uni buddies have Hunters and
    they are all equally flawless.

    My 2-cents.

    Tommy

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  3. Spend the extra if you can afford it, it is worth the upgrade. I have
    both a 26 and a 36 (26 can also be used as 29), not one complaint. You
    can choose to use a lighter Thompson seat post (26.8) or any 22.2 with
    the adapter. Plus he offers many upgrades.

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  4. For the extra $240 you get a frame that's hand-made by a professional
    bike frame maker. The Sem frame is mass produced in a factory in Taiwan
    or China. You also get a frame that looks much more unusual than the
    standard stuff, and hopefully your choice of colors.

    On the downside, I prefer chrome over paint as it holds up better
    against scratches. Also in the event of damage (which could occur to
    either type), it will be more expensive to replace or repair.

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  5. If you've got the money I'd say go for it, I've seen both Hunter 26" and
    36" frames in the 'flesh' and they're both absolutely beautiful.

    Andrew

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  6. Any pic's of Hunter with 29" Big Apple?

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  7. I also have the fever to buy a Hunter 36". My question is if the wheel
    is the most integtral component what is the real value of a
    super strong frame. I can see it for Muni but on a 29" or Coker used
    primarily on the road what's the point. That being said I will probably
    wind up buying a Hunter or one of Max's dad's frames.

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  8. Generally the strength of a frame is not an issue in any style of
    unicycling in my opinion. Bearing holders can make a difference though.
    The guy I know with a Hunter 36" frame said he felt it was definately a
    noticably better and smoother ride with the new frame. I'm guessing
    most of that would have to be a result of nice machined bearing holders.
    Other than that, yes it does look absolutely beautiful.

    Andrew

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  9. The strength isn't really important in unicycle frames, but the
    torsional stiffness around the vertical axis (transfering seat twists
    into hub twists) does seem to be important. Hunter style frames are
    awesome in this regard because of their triangulation.

    This kind of stiffness is harder to achive on a bigger wheel because the
    stays are longer, and it's more important in riding styles where the
    rider wrenches the frame around with the handle on the front of the
    seat. This might explain why Hunters are popular on Cokers, and for
    Muni and trials.

    I really like my Hunter 36, but I also like my Yuni 29. The Hunter 36
    has a super-stiff U-turn built wheel and is a really smooth milage
    machine. The Yuni has a Big Apple tire and gives a nice casual ride. I
    don't worry about the Yuni when I crash it. If I were going to unicycle
    across Europe I'd bring the Hunter 36. When I want to roll down to the
    store I take the Yuni.

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  10. Yeah, good point. I forgot about that.

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  11. andrew_carter said:

    * The guy I know with a Hunter 36" frame said he felt it was
    definately a noticably better and smoother ride with the new frame.
    *

    Realistically, chances are he 'felt' it was better because he just paid
    all that money for it

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  12. 🙂 True.

    But after reading 'cyberbellum's post I think a lot of it would be to
    do with the stiffness and lack of twisting in the legs.

    Andrew

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  13. Don't get me wrong....I really really want one!

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  14. Sofa said:

    *Realistically, chances are he 'felt' it was better because he just
    paid all that money for it *

    There's a lot of truth to that. Elite atheletes trying for a tiny
    advantage have a "need" the top quality stuff, but for everyone else
    more practice is the better value.

    Then again, the Hunter IS a great frame and it isn't THAT expensive. As
    custom anything goes it's a bargan. If you have the cash to spare you
    might as well get one.

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  15. The most important part of the unicycle, as far as performance goes, is
    the wheel. A good hub, good cranks, good pedals, good rim, good tire,
    etc. The most important part of the unicycle, as far as comfort goes,
    is the saddle.

    That said, a good frame does make a difference. A strong frame with
    machined bearing holders will be stiffer. There will be less flex and
    twisting when climbing. This is even more important if you're running a
    brake. If you're running a brake get the better frrame.

    Machined bearing holders are more secure on the bearings. The stamped
    metal main cap bearing holders, like on the Yuni and Nimbus, can move
    around on the bearing. That leads to frame flex. Ride a frame with
    machined bearing holders, like the Hunter or KH, while the bearing
    holders are slightly loose. Give it a good ride, climbing hills, riding
    off-road, jumping around. You'll feel the wheel rocking and moving
    around in the bearing caps. Now ride a frame with stamped metal main
    cap bearing holders, like a Nimbus or Yuni, while the bearing caps are
    tight. You'll feel the same type of movement of the wheel as you did
    with the good frame when the bearing caps were loose.

    The better frames like the Hunter have a better neck and will grip the
    seatpost better. That means less twisting of the seatpost. A seatpost
    that doesn't twist is a very nice feature.

    The better frames like the Hunter use a larger diameter seatpost so you
    can use a high quality bicycle seatpost like the Thomson. Larger
    diameter seatposts have more clamping power because there is more
    surface area to clamp.

    A fancy frame does make a difference, but it's not a big difference.
    It's not like bikes where there is geometry issues and ride handling
    issues. A unicycle frame is too simple for that. But having a solid
    frame that holds everything together tightly with minimal flex and
    movement does make a difference. The frame is the last part of a
    unicycle that I'd upgrade. The wheel and saddle are more important.

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  16. Well, I ride a 24" Yuni frame for muni and commuter with a 24x3.0
    fireball, and althought the frame is unimportant on the scale of things,
    I plan to upgrade to a home-built Hunter soon. The reason is that
    whenever I heavily torque the wheel the frame flexes about 1/4" and the
    tire rubs. Trust me, when you're putting all your energy into torquing
    that wheel to get up a climb and you feel that tire rubbing, you will go
    home and start saving for the Hunter. So, save yourself the time and get
    yourself a Hunter. Even on skinnier tires, the Hunter is still a nice
    ride and will most likely ride better.

    Not to completely jack this thread, but I'm curious, would it be
    possible to make a Hunter out of aluminum? I'm getting a few TIG welding
    lessons soon, and would like to do a few Hunter-like frames for
    practice. Is there any reason I couldn't do one out of aluminum, other
    than the increased difficulty involved with welding aluminum? or, are
    there any other frames that would be good welding projects to try? The
    Aletis-type frames are too difficult (a ton of welding, plus a bunch of
    specialty sheet-aluminum work involved).

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  17. one wheeled stallion said:

    *I'm desperately trying to decide whether or not to get a Hunter frame
    on my U-Turn 29er I'm getting. I really like the look of them, but
    have no idea as to how well they perform. *

    I think many of the posts above make the technical arguments for why a
    high-end custom frame like the Hunter will be better. There are a couple
    other arguments in favor. First, the visual argument:
    http://tinyurl.com/29hjo
    The second argument I made to myself before shelling out for the
    Hunter/Profile/Magura setup was one around potential. When I was first
    learning to play guitar, I had a beater POS of an Epiphone that I
    probably paid $50 for used. I was practicing practicing practicing, and
    getting frustrated that I just couldn't seem to get rid of the buzzing
    in my barre chords, and my scales weren't making the progress I thought
    they should be. Then I met a girl who let me try her Martin guitar.
    Chord buzz immediately gone. Scales easier to run. Heavens open up,
    angels sing. Sudden realization that in all my practice, I'd become
    better than my guitar. The Epi was actually holding me back. I sucked
    it up, saved my pennies, and ultimately bought a Martin for myself.
    There is no danger I will ever be a better player than it is a guitar,
    hence my potential on this instrument is limited only by myself.

    Long story, but I used the same logic buying my muni. I knew I was
    prepared to commit lots of effort to improving as a rider, and I wanted
    to get a machine that would always be better than me, so my only
    constraint would again by myself. The Hunter w/ profile setup meets
    that criteria. I'll never max it out...

    If you buy a Hunter, make sure you talk to Rick and get the double brake
    boss setup. Mine has the single, but I believe he has improved his
    design now. The single requires use of a brake booster, which is less
    than ideal.

    Tom, a happy Hunter owner

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  18. Well the wheel is going to be a U-Turn built one, which I've only heard
    very good things about. I think it will consist of a unicycle.com hub,
    Rhyno Lite rim and some magical spokes that I know nothing about. The
    saddle is also a magical U-Turn air seat. There's gonna be a V-brake
    too. It's the Endurance 29er from a while ago, but with some
    modifications!

    I figure if I'm having an awesome uni shipped over then I may as well go
    all out and get the Hunter frame, so I just wanted to make sure they
    were worth the $£$£!

    Thanks a lot guys! 🙂

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  19. What about the "blizzard" frames they seem very like the hunter one's?
    http://tinyurl.com/3h4m

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  20. tomblackwood said:

    *
    If you buy a Hunter, make sure you talk to Rick and get the double
    brake boss setup *


    not nessesary for a 29er

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