Anyone a T1 from Canada?

Hi Karen Yes there are people from Canada here....I'm a T1 for 23 years now and been on the pump for
6 months........welcome to the group. Jim

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Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just
came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

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Quoted message said:

Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just
came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

(karen.g) said:

Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just came
across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

Humalog, what's that? One of them new fangled insulin thangs A amerikan dybetic.

Only kidding. Yes we have a more than a couple of people from the Great White North who post here.
The only real difference, is you have a government that cares about peoples health, and you don't
measure things the right way.

Sleepy

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LMAO Sleepy ......I wish our government cared a little more myself......I've seen alot of the flaws
in the system , but won't complain after seeing others fate.

Jim

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Quoted message said:

(karen.g) said:

Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just
came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

Humalog, what's that? One of them new fangled insulin thangs A amerikan dybetic.

Only kidding. Yes we have a more than a couple of people from the Great White North who post here.
The only real difference, is you have a government that cares about peoples health, and you don't
measure things the right way.

Sleepy

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Let's Kick the Right Wing, Out of the West Wing
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[email hidden] (karen.g) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Anyone a T1 from Canada or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the
world of diabetes between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to
this group, just came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

Although I am a Type 1 in the US, I am aware of only two differences, Between the US & Canada, both
of which are not specifically related to the optimal care offered in both countries. I think that
there are a lot of differences between the US & Canada vs. a third world country where insulin is in
limited supply for a Type 1 diabetic. Such things should not exist in the world in this century, but
rich counties like the US are spending millions in Iraq, etc.,etc. We could probably afford to
supply insulin to the all the places in need throughout the world.

The only differences that I am aware of between the US & Canada are that you use the mmol/L number
system, which most of the world uses, while we express the BG results in mg/dL. I actually prefer
our system, but that is probably only because I am use to it. BTW, if you need conversion charts,
good one's are available at these online locations:
1. felinediabetes.combgchart.htmOpen ↗
2. diabeticgourmet.comconvert sugar readings.shtmlOpen ↗ (Other conversion
tools are also available on the last site from Diabetic Gourmet, if you look around the site.)

The other big difference, which does not really affect the quality of treatment all that much, is
that you do not have to pay for it, although it ultimately is paid for through taxes. I think that
the US, which likes to pride itself on having such a high standard of living, would do better to
live up to that image if it provided free medical care to all those in need, but the propaganda from
the US isn't much different from other countries, even though most Americans within the US don't
like to admit it, and, of course, you will never hear that from the administration in power. But,
that is somewhat off the subject.

I think for the most part, the US & Canada have very similar standards and types of treatment for
those with diabetes. Are there any other differences that you have noted?

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:16:44 GMT, "Jim Miller" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

LMAO Sleepy ......I wish our government cared a little more myself......I've seen alot of the
flaws in the system , but won't complain after seeing others fate.

Jim

They haven't come up with a perfect system yet. Some though, are better than others!

Sleepy

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Quoted message said:

(karen.g) said:

Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just
came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

Humalog, what's that? One of them new fangled insulin thangs A amerikan dybetic.

Only kidding. Yes we have a more than a couple of people from the Great White North who post
here. The only real difference, is you have a government that cares about peoples health, and you
don't measure things the right way.

Sleepy

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Let's Kick the Right Wing, Out of the West Wing
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Let's Kick the Right Wing, Out of the West Wing
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As you said you just came across this NG, I wanted to be sure you knew about the others. They are
all accessible online through Google, for reading or posting. I prefer the online method because it
seems better organized, to me, than what one gets in replies through a News Group. Each NG on Google
can be searched by topic or keywords for past comments on any subject of interest. Google archives
everything, and with the storage capacity of computers constantly being improved, one would expect
the archives to be permanent.

The links on Google are as follows:

1. asd - currently the most active group -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&group=alt.support.diabetes

The Official Web Site for the NewsGroup alt.support.diabetes -> alt-support-alt-support-Open ↗
diabetes.org/

2. misc.health.diabetes -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&group=misc.health.diabetes

3. alt.health.diabetes -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&group=alt.health.diabetes

4. alt.support.diabetes.uk -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&group=alt.support.diabetes.uk

5. uk.people.support.diabetes (newer group) -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&safe=off&output=search

6. alt.support.diabetes.kids (Surprisingly, not very active) -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&group=alt.support.diabetes.kids

7. alt.food.diabetic -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗

8. alt.support.diet.low-carb -> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
carb

9. Create a Google account to post and read comments in Usenet discussion forums: ->
google.comNewAccountOpen ↗

10. Google Preferences - set your choices for the way the NewsGroups are displayed. I recommend 100
results per page, unless you have a really slow computer or slow dial-up connection, and the
option "Do not filter my search results." You can do your own filtering. ->
groups.google.compreferencesOpen ↗

11. Optional - Change the Address Bar in IE to automatically do a search on Google instead of the
choices from Microsoft. Those choices will still remain when you click the Search button, but
for most searches, all you will need to do is type in the word(s) in the Address Bar, and hit
the "Go" button, which you need to set for display from the Custom settings,or use the Enter key
on the keyboard. Also available for other Browsers. ->
google.comdefaults.htmlOpen ↗

We have two T1s in our house up here in Canada. One pumping and the other one on Inhalable Insulin.

Heather execulink.comdiabetictag.htmlOpen ↗ execulink.compouches.htmOpen ↗

"karen.g" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just
came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

thanks to all who responded...thanks for the welcome and thanks for all those links!! I am trying
to see about coverage for the pump....I heard of someone here getting funded through someone (a
certain company) somewhere in Canada but I don't know who. Does anyone know where you can check
this stuff out?

There's also an insulin supposed to be coming out here nick named the poor man's pump, it's a long
acting you take once a day, I thought it was laready available in the US...anyone know what I'm
talking about?

karen

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We have two T1s in our house up here in Canada. One pumping and the other one on Inhalable
Insulin.

Heather execulink.comdiabetictag.htmlOpen ↗
execulink.compouches.htmOpen ↗

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Quoted message said:

Or is anyone from Canada here at all? There are alot of differences in the world of diabetes
between the US and Canada....I take Humalog Insulin, anyone else? Just new to this group, just
came across it.

T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy karen

13 Jan 2004 17:21:17 -0800 said:

thanks to all who responded...thanks for the welcome and thanks for all those links!! I am trying
to see about coverage for the pump....I heard of someone here getting funded through someone (a
certain company) somewhere in Canada but I don't know who. Does anyone know where you can check
this stuff out?

There's also an insulin supposed to be coming out here nick named the poor man's pump, it's a long
acting you take once a day, I thought it was laready available in the US...anyone know what I'm
talking about?

karen

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T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy > > > karen

what insulin are you presently using for background?

also, what time(s) of day do you dose your background insulin? do you suffer from unconscious hypos?

bill t1 since '57, ex 8-yr pumper, beef/pork-L 2x, simple MDI/DAFNE

Humulin N at supper and bed time. I suffer pretty bad from the dawn phenomenon. Can I ask why you
are an EX pumper? karen

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13 Jan 2004 17:21:17 -0800 said:

thanks to all who responded...thanks for the welcome and thanks for all those links!! I am
trying to see about coverage for the pump....I heard of someone here getting funded through
someone (a certain company) somewhere in Canada but I don't know who. Does anyone know where you
can check this stuff out?

There's also an insulin supposed to be coming out here nick named the poor man's pump, it's a
long acting you take once a day, I thought it was laready available in the US...anyone know what
I'm talking about?

karen

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Quoted message said:

> T1 for 24 yrs, suffering from Diabetic Retinopathy > > > karen

what insulin are you presently using for background?

also, what time(s) of day do you dose your background insulin? do you suffer from
unconscious hypos?

bill t1 since '57, ex 8-yr pumper, beef/pork-L 2x, simple MDI/DAFNE

Karen: You can approach MedTronic or one of the other pump companies, but they only parcel out a few
pumps per year each for serious hardship cases. I know, as I tried on behalf of a family friend.

There is no provincial coverage for pumps or pump supplies anywhere in Canada. A few insurance
companies now pay for some or all of the pump costs, but you need to look around.

The new insulin you're looking for is called Lantus. You can get a scrip from any up to date doc,
but they've been having supply problems lately getting it shipped up here. Likely a resuly of the
whole net phramacy kerfuffle.

Anyway, hope all is well.

Mark- Type 1 32 years, married to another Type 1 34 years.

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Quoted message said:

thanks to all who responded...thanks for the welcome and thanks for all those links!! I am trying
to see about coverage for the pump....I heard of someone here getting funded through someone (a
certain company) somewhere in Canada but I don't know who. Does anyone know where you can check
this stuff out?

There's also an insulin supposed to be coming out here nick named the poor man's pump, it's a long
acting you take once a day, I thought it was laready available in the US...anyone know what I'm
talking about?

karen

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The new insulin you're looking for is called Lantus. You can get a scrip from any up to date doc,
but they've been having supply problems lately getting it shipped up here. Likely a resuly of the
whole net phramacy kerfuffle.

the gov't of Canada doesn't like the price that Aventis wants to charge for the new Lantus
insulin....... so we are stuck in a stalemate between Aventis and their price and the Gov't and what
they feel the price for the insulin should be

i wasn't aware that our gov't interfered with the prices of meds like this..... part of the reason
that our meds are so much cheaper once you add in the exchange difference between US and Cdn $

Tiger Lily said:

i wasn't aware that our gov't interfered with the prices of meds like this..... part of the reason
that our meds are so much cheaper once you add in the exchange difference between US and Cdn $

Its pretty much the entire reason and also the reason your government is not very keen on allowing
reimporting to the US. It will cost the US drug companies so much that they might all refuse to sell
at the current discounted prices.

I think the US should allow reimportation, I believe that the contention that the suggestion that
there is some safety problem is pure BS. But I also believe that it will probably undermine the
Canadian system of pricing and that is probably on the whole a positive outcome.

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14 Jan 2004 08:58:50 -0800 said:

Humulin N at supper and bed time. I suffer pretty bad from the dawn phenomenon.

in my own experience with N (pork-N, which is very similar to "human"-N), N is the pitts. 🙁 the
only N that might be worth using is beef-N, which i've never used

anyhow, given your dawn phenomenon, for your background i'd suggest taking Humulin-UL in the "AM"
and a greater amount of Humulin-L in the "PM". i'd suggest somthing like noon and midnight. whatever
do stick to a 12 hour separation of these background shots. start with noon and midnight and adjust
from there based on what works best for you

Quoted message said:

Can I ask why you are an EX pumper?

money (lack of), and i'd learned from my use of pumps (MM & Disetronic) what my true basal needs are

imo, beef and pork insulin work better than bloody insulin pumps do! and also better than what
bloody rDNA insulin does!!

bill t1 since '57, ex 8-yr pumper, beef/pork-L 2x, simple MDI/DAFNE

Wed said:

14 Jan 2004 08:58:50 -0800 said:

Humulin N at supper and bed time. I suffer pretty bad from the dawn phenomenon.

in my own experience with N (pork-N, which is very similar to "human"-N), N is the pitts. 🙁 the
only N that might be worth using is beef-N, which i've never used

anyhow, given your dawn phenomenon, for your background i'd suggest taking Humulin-UL in the "AM"
and a greater amount of Humulin-L in the "PM". i'd suggest somthing like noon and midnight.
whatever do stick to a 12 hour separation of these background shots. start with noon and midnight
and adjust from there based on what works best for you

i wanted to add that that given yer dawn phenomenon and possibilily taking UL/AM and L/PM fer
background, that you *really* should start the 12 hour cycle as late as possible (given that you'll
take the larger amount of L at bedtime)

also be aware that the heavy UL crystals fall to the bottom (which is where the needle is sucking
the insulin from). which means that when you get to the last one third of a vial of L or UL, you'll
find that the UL content has disminished and that you'll have to take a bit more

you NEED to mix/shake vials of L and UL to an extreme degree before drawing insulin into yer syringe
for an injection

bill t1 since '57

willbill <[email hidden]> wrote on Wed, 14 Jan
2004 22:47:59 -0600:

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Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:23:10 -0600, willbill wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

14 Jan 2004 08:58:50 -0800, (karen.g) wrote:

Quoted message said:

i wanted to add that that given yer dawn phenomenon and possibilily taking UL/AM and L/PM fer
background, that you *really* should start the 12 hour cycle as late as possible (given that
you'll take the larger amount of L at bedtime)

Quoted message said:

also be aware that the heavy UL crystals fall to the bottom (which is where the needle is sucking
the insulin from). which means that when you get to the last one third of a vial of L or UL,
you'll find that the UL content has disminished and that you'll have to take a bit more

Also be aware that when Bill says "bottom" here, he's referring to the bottom of the insulin vial,
not part of your anatomy. ;-)

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you NEED to mix/shake vials of L and UL to an extreme degree before drawing insulin into yer
syringe for an injection

And also, possibly, carry on shaking them as you draw insulin into the syringe.

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bill t1 since '57

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Wed said:

anyhow, given your dawn phenomenon, for your background i'd suggest taking Humulin-UL in the "AM"
and a greater amount of Humulin-L in the "PM". i'd suggest somthing like noon and midnight.
whatever do stick to a 12 hour separation of these background shots. start with noon and midnight
and adjust from there based on what works best for you

btw, i assumed that you are doing MDI/DAFNE. my comments (below) mainly apply for an
MDI/DAFNE routine

anyhow, for some insight into understanding the profile (and long residual of UL) that one gets
from a single shot of UL, see p.s. of the Owens study. the "human"-UL has residual that clearly
exceeds 48+ hours

Lente is best thought of as a separate shot of 30% SL (SemiLente) and a separate shot of 70% UL
(UltraLente)

for a better understanding of taking 2x of UL, and the resulting profile and how it varies if you
vary the shot amounts and/or times, give Aida a try (www.2aida.org/aida/insulin.htm)

btw, you'll have to mickey mouse it a bit
(i.e. in addition to the two shots of UL, you'll have to do something like add a single shot of .1
unit of a meal insulin). and while Aida uses a large number of different insulin names, there
are in fact only a few different profiles

with regard to goiing to Lantus, why would you do that? Lantus costs more than twice as much as "human"-
UL and is less robust and way less flexible in that you can't mix it with anything. not to mention
that those who are using Lantus are playing guinea pig for Aventis

my own use of Aida has suggested that a 9u:10u (at noon:midnight) ratio gives a decent overall
profile (i.e. curve) when you have a rigid 12 hours between the shots (try rising and bedtime and
see how the curve quickly moves away from flat)

so if you need a lot of SemiLente for your dawn phenomena, then you'd only take Lente at bedtime,
namely 14.3 units of Lente, coz that has 10 units of UL in it and you'd therefore be getting 4.3
units of SL to help with your high(er) morning
j/g values

if that's too much SL, then go to mixing UL and L at bedtime and start saving your almost empty
bottles of L and U

you're also going to have to do a lot of 3:00AM testing to keep track of how you're doing and skip a
lot of meals during the day too (to see how close you've got your background amounts to your true
basal needs)

also get some 1cc 28 gage syringes and use them to put precise amounts of UL and L into the near
empty bottle coz that's a lot easier (and more accurate) than mixing by hand every time at bedtime
when you are tired (especially if your eyesight isn't good)

with a permanent marker (or better an ice pick), write or scratch "mix" on the label of the in use
vial of mixed U and L so that there's no question in your mind of what's in any given bottle that
you've got

bill t1 since '57, ex 8-yr pumper, beef/pork-L 2x, simple MDI/DAFNE

| in thread: "Activity Curves (Was: Changing from NPH to Ultralente)"
| 3/8/99 12:04:33 -0800, Michel Martin wrote:

<big snip>

|| (See Human, Porcine and Bovine Ultralente Insulin, by D.R. Owens, et al, Diabetic Medicine,
|| July/Aug, 1986, p. 326-329).
||
|| time Pork-UL beef-UL "human"-UL hrs
|| 2 .01 inch .00 inch .15 inch 3 xx xx .30
|| 4 .46 .00 .80
|| 5 .55 .23 .98
|| 6 .62 .25 .98
|| 7 .68 xx 1.23
|| 8 .68 .30 1.30 10 1.01 .42 1.54 12 1.17 .52 1.56 14 1.33 .55 1.72 (corresponds 0.05
|| nmol/L) 16 1.41 .55 1.66 18 1.23 .60 1.66 20 1.14 .57 1.41
|| 22 .86 .49 1.11
|| 24 .73 .50 .98
|| 26 .65 .49 .92
|| 28 .54 .47 .86
|| 30 .48 .39 .80
|| 32 .48 .39 .74 34 xx xx .68 36 xx xx .62

oh dear, i fear that i don't understand alot of the terms and abbreviations here 🙁 but thanks!

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Wed said:

anyhow, given your dawn phenomenon, for your background i'd suggest taking Humulin-UL in the
"AM" and a greater amount of Humulin-L in the "PM". i'd suggest somthing like noon and midnight.
whatever do stick to a 12 hour separation of these background shots. start with noon and
midnight and adjust from there based on what works best for you

btw, i assumed that you are doing MDI/DAFNE. my comments (below) mainly apply for an
MDI/DAFNE routine

anyhow, for some insight into understanding the profile (and long residual of UL) that one gets
from a single shot of UL, see p.s. of the Owens study. the "human"-UL has residual that clearly
exceeds 48+ hours

Lente is best thought of as a separate shot of 30% SL (SemiLente) and a separate shot of 70% UL
(UltraLente)

for a better understanding of taking 2x of UL, and the resulting profile and how it varies if you
vary the shot amounts and/or times, give Aida a try (www.2aida.org/aida/insulin.htm)

btw, you'll have to mickey mouse it a bit
(i.e. in addition to the two shots of UL, you'll have to do something like add a single shot of .1
unit of a meal insulin). and while Aida uses a large number of different insulin names,
there are in fact only a few different profiles

with regard to goiing to Lantus, why would you do that? Lantus costs more than twice as much as
"human"-UL and is less robust and way less flexible in that you can't mix it with anything. not to
mention that those who are using Lantus are playing guinea pig for Aventis

my own use of Aida has suggested that a 9u:10u (at noon:midnight) ratio gives a decent overall
profile (i.e. curve) when you have a rigid 12 hours between the shots (try rising and bedtime and
see how the curve quickly moves away from flat)

so if you need a lot of SemiLente for your dawn phenomena, then you'd only take Lente at bedtime,
namely 14.3 units of Lente, coz that has 10 units of UL in it and you'd therefore be getting 4.3
units of SL to help with your high(er) morning
b/g values

if that's too much SL, then go to mixing UL and L at bedtime and start saving your almost empty
bottles of L and U

you're also going to have to do a lot of 3:00AM testing to keep track of how you're doing and skip
a lot of meals during the day too (to see how close you've got your background amounts to your
true basal needs)

also get some 1cc 28 gage syringes and use them to put precise amounts of UL and L into the near
empty bottle coz that's a lot easier (and more accurate) than mixing by hand every time at bedtime
when you are tired (especially if your eyesight isn't good)

with a permanent marker (or better an ice pick), write or scratch "mix" on the label of the in use
vial of mixed U and L so that there's no question in your mind of what's in any given bottle that
you've got

bill t1 since '57, ex 8-yr pumper, beef/pork-L 2x, simple MDI/DAFNE

| in thread: "Activity Curves (Was: Changing from NPH to Ultralente)"
| 3/8/99 12:04:33 -0800, Michel Martin wrote:

<big snip>

|| (See Human, Porcine and Bovine Ultralente Insulin, by D.R. Owens, et al, Diabetic Medicine,
|| July/Aug, 1986, p. 326-329).
||
|| time Pork-UL beef-UL "human"-UL hrs
|| 2 .01 inch .00 inch .15 inch 3 xx xx .30
|| 4 .46 .00 .80
|| 5 .55 .23 .98
|| 6 .62 .25 .98
|| 7 .68 xx 1.23
|| 8 .68 .30 1.30 10 1.01 .42 1.54 12 1.17 .52 1.56 14 1.33 .55 1.72 (corresponds
|| 0.05 nmol/L) 16 1.41 .55 1.66 18 1.23 .60 1.66 20 1.14 .57 1.41
|| 22 .86 .49 1.11
|| 24 .73 .50 .98
|| 26 .65 .49 .92
|| 28 .54 .47 .86
|| 30 .48 .39 .80
|| 32 .48 .39 .74 34 xx xx .68 36 xx xx .62