Any suggestions for man with "myositis" ?

Shiperton Henethe said:

Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old man who
has been medically diagnosed as having "Myositis"

The LEF protocol for chronic inflamation might be of help:
lef.orgprtcl 146.shtmlOpen ↗

In any case, I would try to find a good integrative
medicine doctor.

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Hi

With apologies upfront for the cross-posting but I want to
get a whole cross-section of views on this:

Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old man who
has been medically diagnosed as having "Myositis" (on
account of having withering of the muscles in his arms and
his upper legs)

- Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine for
"myositis"?
- Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's & donts,
what tests to take..., nutrtion..., therapies... etc

Ship Shiperton Henethe

Refined carbs cause inflammation. First thing to do is cut
all refined carbs from your diet. You may need to
supplement with vitamins too. If your diet is currently
(and has been) high in refined carbs, you are probably
depleted of vitamins.

TC

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Hi

With apologies upfront for the cross-posting but I want to
get a whole cross-section of views on this:

Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old man who
has been medically diagnosed as having "Myositis" (on
account of having withering of the muscles in his arms and
his upper legs)

- Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine for
"myositis"?
- Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's & donts,
what tests to take..., nutrtion..., therapies... etc

Ship Shiperton Henethe

after reading arthritis.orgStartRead.asOpen ↗
p?idProduct=3327 which describes Myositis, it appears to be
an auto immune disease

high dose fish oil (EPA/DHA) may be helpful for its immune
regulating and anti inflammatory effects

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Subject: Any suggestions for man with "myositis" ?
From: "Shiperton Henethe" [email hidden]
Date: 6/21/2004 6:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time
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- Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine for
"myositis"?
- Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's & donts, what
tests to take..., nutrtion..., therapies... etc

I would look into the association between Raynaud's and
myositis ..

Hemodilution has been shown to have VERY good effect in
those with Raynauds.

Hemodilution: Hemodilution is an increase in plasma volume
in relation to red blood cells; reduced concentration of red
blood cells in the circulation.

Khirurgiia (Mosk). 1998;(12):22-3. Related Articles, Links

[Therapeutic effects of prolonged normovolemic hemodilution
in patients with Raynaud's disease]

[Article in Russian]

Mamurov VA.

51 patients with Raynaud's disease has undergone prolonged
normovolemic hemodilution (PNH) with a good effect.
Disappearance of painful syndrome in
78.43% of cases, and a significant decrease of pains in
21.37% of cases was demonstrated. Complete healing of
ulcero-necrotic defects of end phalanges of the hands
was observed in 7 patients of 10 and partial--in 3. A
significant remission of the disease in follow-up period
was obtained. Thus, prolonged normovolemic hemodilution
has resulted in significant improvement of short- and
long-term results of treatment in patients with
Raynaud's disease.

PMID: 9916428 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Hi

With apologies upfront for the cross-posting but I want
to get a whole cross-section of views on this:

Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old man who
has been medically diagnosed as having "Myositis" (on
account of having withering of the muscles in his arms
and his upper legs)

- Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine for
"myositis"?
- Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's & donts,
what tests to take..., nutrtion..., therapies... etc

Ship Shiperton Henethe

after reading arthritis.orgStartRead.Open ↗
asp?idProduct=3327 which describes Myositis, it appears to
be an auto immune disease

high dose fish oil (EPA/DHA) may be helpful for its immune
regulating and anti inflammatory effects

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems. It is
basically a chronic inflammation condition. It can be
treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C is an
important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is important as the
basic building block of cells. Ten bucks says that 10 or 15
1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will cause a
distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C is water
soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side effects
except the possibility of diarhea at much highher dosages
(in which case you simply take a bit less).

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune system,
so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is related to
immunological problems, taking vitamin C can only help.

TC

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Hi

With apologies upfront for the cross-posting but I
want to get a whole cross-section of views on this:

Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old man
who has been medically diagnosed as having "Myositis"
(on account of having withering of the muscles in his
arms and his

upper

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legs)

- Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine for
"myositis"?
- Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's & donts,
what tests to take..., nutrtion..., therapies... etc

Ship Shiperton Henethe

after reading

arthritis.orgStartRead.aspOpen ↗
27

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

which describes Myositis, it appears to be an auto
immune disease

high dose fish oil (EPA/DHA) may be helpful for its
immune regulating and anti inflammatory effects

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems. It
is basically a chronic inflammation condition. It can be
treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C is an
important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is important as
the basic building block of cells. Ten bucks says that 10
or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will
cause a distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C is
water soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side
effects except the possibility of diarhea at much highher
dosages (in which case you simply take a bit less).

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune
system, so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is
related to immunological problems, taking vitamin C can
only help.

TC

If deficiency weakens an overactive immune system as in
autoimmunity then that would be good. Make the immune system
stronger with VitC and you make the autoimmunity stronger.

Quoted message said:

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems. It is
basically a chronic inflammation condition. It can be
treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C is an
important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is important as the
basic building block of cells. Ten bucks says that 10 or 15
1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will cause a
distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C is water
soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side effects
except the possibility of diarhea at much highher dosages
(in which case you simply take a bit less).

Isn't 10-15 g of C already approaching Pauling's "bowel
tolerance"? Nevermind the fact that excessive supplemention
with ascorbate alone may not be wise.

Quoted message said:

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune system,
so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is related to
immunological problems, taking vitamin C can only help.

If myositis is an auto-immune disorder, perhaps a so-
called strengthening of the immune system would worsen
the symptoms.

NSAIDs and a gluten free diet seem to be the way to go but I
get the feeling that the OP already knows this.

Quoted message said:

Ten bucks says that 10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken
thruout the day, will cause a distinct improvement in the
symptoms. Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic and will
not create any side effects except the possibility of
diarhea at much highher dosages (in which case you simply
take a bit less).

I'll see your ten bucks and raise you ten more.

Vitamin C is absorbed into the body well at lose doses, but
poorly at higher doses. "median bioavailability following an
oral dose is 87%for 30 mg, 80%for 100 mg,72%for 200 mg and
63%for 500 mg. Less than 50%of a 1250-mg dose is
absorbed,and most of the absorbed dose is excreted in the
urine." (CMAJ • FEB. 6, 2001; 164 (3))

The study also showed that "At 100mg vitamin C starts being
excreted in the urine." (Same Ref)

If you want to take 10,000 to 15,000 mg of Vitamin C, just
be aware that the vast majority is simply wasted. While
vitamin C is necessary for good health, there is little
evidence to suggest that more than 200mg per day are
required. A balanced diet with citrus fruits included will
provide the vitamin C required for good health and save
money on buying useless pills and powders.

Vitamin C is more common than most realise: While most
think Oranges, Spinach and green peppers have higher
Vitamin C concentrations, with tomatoes, onion and lettuce
also having high levels of Vitamin C. (Journal Economic
Botany Vol 31,pp76-79)

Conclusion: Vitamin C is vital, megadoses are a waste of
money.

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Quoted message said:

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems. It
is basically
a chronic inflammation condition. It can be treated with
mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C is an important
collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is important as the basic
building block of cells. Ten bucks says that 10 or 15 1000
mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will cause a
distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C is water
soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side effects
except the possibility of diarhea at much highher dosages
(in which case you simply take a bit less).

Isn't 10-15 g of C already approaching Pauling's "bowel
tolerance"? Nevermind the fact that excessive
supplemention with ascorbate alone may not be wise.

It could be depending on the person. People have different
levels. Currently 4g of the stuff gives me runny poo..

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Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune
system, so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is
related to immunological problems, taking vitamin C can
only help.

If myositis is an auto-immune disorder, perhaps a so-
called strengthening of the immune system would worsen the
symptoms.

Ascorbate is an anti inflammatory and also an electron
donor. Most disease relies on free radicals stress -
ascorbate gves electrons to these radicals and
quenches them.

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NSAIDs and a gluten free diet seem to be the way to go but
I get the feeling that the OP already knows this.

There's a recent cocktail of drugs supposed to kill
arthritus pain and reduce inflammation.

Anth

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> Hi
>
> With apologies upfront for the cross-posting but I
> want to get a whole cross-section of views on this:
>
> Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old man
> who has been medically diagnosed as having
> "Myositis" (on account of having withering of the
> muscles in his arms and his

upper

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> legs)
>
> - Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine for
> "myositis"?
> - Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's &
> donts, what tests to take..., nutrtion...,
> therapies... etc
>
>
> Ship Shiperton Henethe

after reading

arthritis.orgStartRead.aspOpen ↗
ct=3327

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

which describes Myositis, it appears to be an auto
immune disease

high dose fish oil (EPA/DHA) may be helpful for its
immune regulating and anti inflammatory effects

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems. It
is basically a chronic inflammation condition. It can be
treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C is an
important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is important as
the basic building block of cells. Ten bucks says that
10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day,
will cause a distinct improvement in the symptoms.
Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic and will not
create any side effects except the possibility of
diarhea at much highher dosages (in which case you
simply take a bit less).

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune
system, so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is
related to immunological problems, taking vitamin C can
only help.

TC

If deficiency weakens an overactive immune system as in
autoimmunity then that would be good. Make the immune
system stronger with VitC and you make the autoimmunity
stronger.

No. It is not a matter of an overactive immune system or
underactive, it is a matter of a healthy, properly
functioning immune system. Vit C will not make the so-called
autoimmunity worse, it will correct it.

TC

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Quoted message said:

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems. It
is basically a chronic inflammation condition. It can be
treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C is an
important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is important as
the basic building block of cells. Ten bucks says that 10
or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will
cause a distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C
is water soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side
effects except the possibility of diarhea at much highher
dosages (in which case you simply take a bit less).

Isn't 10-15 g of C already approaching Pauling's "bowel
tolerance"? Nevermind the fact that excessive
supplemention with ascorbate alone may not be wise.

Depends on the person. Some can tolerate up to around 40 g.
Some may have problems with the ascorbic acid. They can
always try pottasium ascorbate or calcium ascorbate, they
are both easier on the stomach.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune
system, so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is
related to immunological problems, taking vitamin C can
only help.

If myositis is an auto-immune disorder, perhaps a so-
called strengthening of the immune system would worsen the
symptoms.

It is *thought* to be an auto-immune disorder. Doctors are
*guessing* and offer a [censored]-poor diagnoses and no relief.
If it was an autoimmune disorder then one might logically
conclude that if vit C strengthens the immune system it
will make it worse. But that is not the case. Vit C will
make the condition right. Maybe we cought to conclude that
it is not an auto immune disorder but simply a vitamin
deficiency problem.

Quoted message said:

NSAIDs and a gluten free diet seem to be the way to go but
I get the feeling that the OP already knows this.

I agree with the gluten-free diet, simply because gluten
containing grains contain no vit C, A or D and to remove
them from the diet will make room for more nutritious carbs
and mitigate any gluten allergy issues in one bold stroke.
But the NSAIDs are not needed, IMHO. Just the Vit C.

TC

(Kevin) said:

The study also showed that "At 100mg vitamin C starts being
excreted in the urine." (Same Ref). If you want to take
10,000 to 15,000 mg of Vitamin C, just be aware that the
vast majority is simply wasted.

Should I assume that the water in my urine was wasted by my
body too, that it didn't provide any useful function?

--
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one
percent of the people may take away the rights of the other
forty-nine." -- Thomas Jefferson

Large doses of vitamin C are a great help in prevent bladder
infection as an acid urine inhibits microorganism growth in
the urinary tract. Urinary track infections are not that
unusual and without antibotics quite deadly.

more comments mixed in below

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Ten bucks says that 10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken
thruout the day, will cause a distinct improvement in the
symptoms. Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic and will
not create any side effects except the possibility of
diarhea at much highher dosages (in which case you simply
take a bit less).

I'll see your ten bucks and raise you ten more.

Vitamin C is absorbed into the body well at lose doses,
but poorly at higher doses. "median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87%for 30 mg, 80%for 100
mg,72%for 200 mg and 63%for 500 mg. Less than 50%of a 1250-
mg dose is absorbed,and most of the absorbed dose is
excreted in the urine." (CMAJ . FEB. 6, 2001; 164 (3))

The study also showed that "At 100mg vitamin C starts
being excreted in the urine." (Same Ref)

In a young heathy person, the serum levels don't plateau out
until 300 milligrams is reach on single dose. People forget
the Pauling would agree that for young healthy persons 300
mgs of ascorbic acid was enough to maintain saturation.

Quoted message said:

If you want to take 10,000 to 15,000 mg of Vitamin C, just
be aware that the vast majority is simply wasted. While
vitamin C is necessary for good health, there is little
evidence to suggest that more than 200mg per day are
required. A balanced diet with citrus fruits included will
provide the vitamin C required for good health and save
money on buying useless pills and powders.

Vitamin C is more common than most realise: While most
think Oranges, Spinach and green peppers have higher
Vitamin C concentrations, with tomatoes, onion and lettuce
also having high levels of Vitamin C. (Journal Economic
Botany Vol 31,pp76-79)

Conclusion: Vitamin C is vital, megadoses are a waste
of money.

My conculsion, megadoses of AA are good for some and
not others.

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Ten bucks says that 10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken
thruout the day, will cause a distinct improvement in the
symptoms. Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic and will
not create any side effects except the possibility of
diarhea at much highher dosages (in which case you simply
take a bit less).

I'll see your ten bucks and raise you ten more.

Vitamin C is absorbed into the body well at lose doses,
but poorly at higher doses. "median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87%for 30 mg, 80%for 100
mg,72%for 200 mg and 63%for 500 mg. Less than 50%of a 1250-
mg dose is absorbed,and most of the absorbed dose is
excreted in the urine." (CMAJ ? FEB. 6, 2001; 164 (3))

Most of the water you drink is excreted in the urine. Maybe
we should greatly reduce the amount of water we drink.

Points I'd like to make. If you take lower doses every 2
hours then in theory you can get your plasma levels much
higher than the quoted levels. The vitamin isn't wasted in
the urine as it helps excrete exhausted vitamin
c.(Animals sure do 'waste' a lot of vitamin c) Anth

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Ten bucks says that 10
or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will
cause a distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C is
water soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side
effects except the possibility of diarhea at much highher
dosages (in which case you simply take a bit less).

I'll see your ten bucks and raise you ten more.

Vitamin C is absorbed into the body well at lose doses,
but poorly at higher doses. "median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87%for 30 mg, 80%for 100
mg,72%for 200 mg and 63%for 500 mg. Less than 50%of a 1250-
mg dose is absorbed,and most of the absorbed dose is
excreted in the urine." (CMAJ . FEB. 6, 2001; 164 (3))

The study also showed that "At 100mg vitamin C starts
being excreted in the urine." (Same Ref)

If you want to take 10,000 to 15,000 mg of Vitamin C, just
be aware that the vast majority is simply wasted. While
vitamin C is necessary for good health, there is little
evidence to suggest that more than 200mg per day are
required. A balanced diet with citrus fruits included will
provide the vitamin C required for good health and save
money on buying useless pills and powders.

Vitamin C is more common than most realise: While most
think Oranges, Spinach and green peppers have higher
Vitamin C concentrations, with tomatoes, onion and lettuce
also having high levels of Vitamin C. (Journal Economic
Botany Vol 31,pp76-79)

Conclusion: Vitamin C is vital, megadoses are a waste
of money.

For more information :-
vitamincfoundation.orgindex.htmOpen ↗ (I'm
waiting for my hardback version of Dr Hickey's book) Anth

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Quoted message said:

Ten bucks says that 10
or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken thruout the day, will
cause a distinct improvement in the symptoms. Vitamin C is
water soluble, non-toxic and will not create any side
effects except the possibility of diarhea at much highher
dosages (in which case you simply take a bit less).

I'll see your ten bucks and raise you ten more.

Vitamin C is absorbed into the body well at lose doses,
but poorly at higher doses. "median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87%for 30 mg, 80%for 100
mg,72%for 200 mg and 63%for 500 mg. Less than 50%of a 1250-
mg dose is absorbed,and most of the absorbed dose is
excreted in the urine." (CMAJ . FEB. 6, 2001; 164 (3))

The study also showed that "At 100mg vitamin C starts
being excreted in the urine." (Same Ref)

If you want to take 10,000 to 15,000 mg of Vitamin C, just
be aware that the vast majority is simply wasted. While
vitamin C is necessary for good health, there is little
evidence to suggest that more than 200mg per day are
required. A balanced diet with citrus fruits included will
provide the vitamin C required for good health and save
money on buying useless pills and powders.

Vitamin C is more common than most realise: While most
think Oranges, Spinach and green peppers have higher
Vitamin C concentrations, with tomatoes, onion and lettuce
also having high levels of Vitamin C. (Journal Economic
Botany Vol 31,pp76-79)

Conclusion: Vitamin C is vital, megadoses are a waste
of money.

Is there any objective evidence in favour of the Vitamin-C
solution for myositis? (If so are there any papers I can
see online?)

If so how come doctors dont recommend it? (or do they?!)

I thought over 4000mg/day was quite dangerous (could give
you gut cancer or something - though to be fair, these kind
of long term concerns are less of a worry for this patient
who is already 79 yrs...

Ship Shiperton Henethe

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Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems.
It is basically a chronic inflammation condition. It
can be treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C
is an important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is
important as the basic building block of cells. Ten
bucks says that 10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken
thruout the day, will cause a distinct improvement in
the symptoms. Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic and
will not create any side effects except the possibility
of diarhea at much highher dosages (in which case you
simply take a bit less).

Isn't 10-15 g of C already approaching Pauling's "bowel
tolerance"? Nevermind the fact that excessive
supplemention with ascorbate alone may not be wise.

Depends on the person. Some can tolerate up to around 40
g. Some may have problems with the ascorbic acid. They can
always try pottasium ascorbate or calcium ascorbate, they
are both easier on the stomach.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune
system, so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is
related to immunological problems, taking vitamin C can
only help.

If myositis is an auto-immune disorder, perhaps a so-
called strengthening of the immune system would worsen
the symptoms.

It is *thought* to be an auto-immune disorder. Doctors are
*guessing* and offer a [censored]-poor diagnoses and no relief.
If it was an autoimmune disorder then one might logically
conclude that if vit C strengthens the immune system it
will make it worse. But that is not the case. Vit C will
make the condition right. Maybe we cought to conclude that
it is not an auto immune disorder but simply a vitamin
deficiency problem.

Quoted message said:

NSAIDs and a gluten free diet seem to be the way to go
but I get the feeling that the OP already knows this.

I agree with the gluten-free diet, simply because
gluten containing grains contain no vit C, A or D and
to remove them from the diet will make room for more
nutritious carbs and mitigate any gluten allergy issues
in one bold stroke. But the NSAIDs are not needed,
IMHO. Just the Vit C.

TC

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> >
> > With apologies upfront for the cross-posting but I
> > want to get a whole cross-section of views on
> > this:
> >
> > Can anyone give me any advice for an 79 year old
> > man who has been medically diagnosed as having
> > "Myositis" (on account of having withering of the
> > muscles in his arms and his

upper

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> > legs)
> >
> > - Anyone got any advice on alternative medicine
> > for "myositis"?
> > - Anyone got any pet cures, suggestions, do's &
> > donts, what tests to take..., nutrtion...,
> > therapies... etc
> >
> >
> > Ship Shiperton Henethe
>
> after reading

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> which describes Myositis, it appears to be an auto
> immune disease
>
> high dose fish oil (EPA/DHA) may be helpful for its
> immune

regulating

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> and anti inflammatory effects

Arthitis is generally blamed on auto immune problems.
It is basically a chronic inflammation condition. It
can be treated with mega-doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C
is an important collagen pre-cursor. Collagen is
important as the basic building block of cells. Ten
bucks says that 10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken
thruout the day, will cause a distinct improvement in
the symptoms. Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic
and will not create any side effects except the
possibility of diarhea at much highher dosages (in
which case you simply take a bit less).

Vitamin C defiency leads to weakening of the immune
system, so it stands to reason that if the arthitis is
related to immunological problems, taking vitamin C
can only help.

TC

If deficiency weakens an overactive immune system as in
autoimmunity

then

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that would be good. Make the immune system stronger with
VitC and you

make

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the autoimmunity stronger.

No. It is not a matter of an overactive immune system or
underactive, it is a matter of a healthy, properly
functioning immune system. Vit C will not make the so-
called autoimmunity worse, it will correct it.

TC

Try using the conventional terms of proinflammatory or anti-
inflammatory. Weak or healthy exists only in the gym. There
is an association between TNF a proinflammatory cytokine and
obesity as is Interleukin-6 and IL-8. I would recommend
isoflavenoids such quercetin and food products containing
that such as apples broccoli etc. These have anti-
inflammatory properties.

Comments :- The human plasma has never been shown to be
'saturated' with vitamin c. Anth

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Large doses of vitamin C are a great help in prevent
bladder infection as an acid urine inhibits microorganism
growth in the urinary tract. Urinary track infections are
not that unusual and without antibotics quite deadly.

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Ten bucks says that 10 or 15 1000 mg of C per day, taken
thruout the day, will cause a distinct improvement in
the symptoms. Vitamin C is water soluble, non-toxic and
will not create any side effects except the possibility
of diarhea at much highher dosages (in which case you
simply take a bit less).

I'll see your ten bucks and raise you ten more.

Vitamin C is absorbed into the body well at lose doses,
but poorly at higher doses. "median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87%for 30 mg, 80%for 100
mg,72%for 200 mg and 63%for 500 mg. Less than 50%of a 1250-
mg dose is absorbed,and most of the absorbed dose is
excreted in the urine." (CMAJ . FEB. 6, 2001; 164 (3))

The study also showed that "At 100mg vitamin C starts
being excreted in the urine." (Same Ref)

In a young heathy person, the serum levels don't plateau
out until 300 milligrams is reach on single dose. People
forget the Pauling would agree that for young healthy
persons 300 mgs of ascorbic acid was enough to maintain
saturation.

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If you want to take 10,000 to 15,000 mg of Vitamin C,
just be aware that the vast majority is simply wasted.
While vitamin C is necessary for good health, there is
little evidence to suggest that more than 200mg per day
are required. A balanced diet with citrus fruits included
will provide the vitamin C required for good health and
save money on buying useless pills and powders.

Vitamin C is more common than most realise: While most
think Oranges, Spinach and green peppers have higher
Vitamin C concentrations, with tomatoes, onion and
lettuce also having high levels of Vitamin C. (Journal
Economic Botany Vol 31,pp76-79)

Conclusion: Vitamin C is vital, megadoses are a waste
of money.

My conculsion, megadoses of AA are good for some and
not others.