Any meatlovers here become vegetarian for 2004?

I thought about it; becoming a vegetarian for six months just to see how much weight I could lose. I
opted for the Atkins diet instead.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man

"The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct proportion to the intensity
with which others try to prove him wrong" James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".

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Dwight McNamara <[email hidden]> typed:

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This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat. I may give up my five hamburger a day habit!

Nope. I just bought 6 briskets to fill the freezer since they dropped to $1.15 per pound. I'll
probably barbecue one in the middle of the week.

BOB vegetarian, Indian word for lousy hunter

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This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat. I may give up my five hamburger a day habit!

Nope. I just bought 6 briskets to fill the freezer since they dropped to $1.15 per pound. I'll
probably barbecue one in the middle of the week.

BOB vegetarian, Indian word for lousy hunter

I resolve to eat only vegetarians... ;-)

K.

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This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat. I may give up my five hamburger a day habit!

Nope. I just bought 6 briskets to fill the freezer since they dropped to $1.15 per pound. I'll
probably barbecue one in the middle of the week.

BOB vegetarian, Indian word for lousy hunter

I resolve to eat only vegetarians... ;-)

K.

Nah. Too stringy and bitter... BOB

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> This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with
> CJD. Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian
> roulette to eat red meat. I may give up my five hamburger a day habit!

Nope. I just bought 6 briskets to fill the freezer since they dropped to $1.15 per pound. I'll
probably barbecue one in the middle of the week.

BOB vegetarian, Indian word for lousy hunter

I resolve to eat only vegetarians... ;-)

K.

Nah. Too stringy and bitter... BOB

ROFL! Thought that was what pressure cookers and crock pots were for? ;-D

K.

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On 4 Jan 2004 19:20:08 -0800, [email hidden] (Dwight

McNamara) said:

This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD. Sad
stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette to eat
red meat.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the type related to BSE in cows, is indeed horrifying. However,
from 1983 to 2003, approx.180,000 cases of BSE were found in the UK and estimates of human deaths
are under 150.

Russian roulette with a six-shooter gives you a 1 in six chance of being shot. The chances of
contracting vCJD from eating beef are more like 1 in 1,000,000. 1-yr odds for dying as a car
occupant are around 1 in 18,000.

Not that this is a recommendation against vegetarianism. Or traveling in cars or, indeed, walking
out of your house in the morning and falling on the steps (1 in 210,000).

I believe I may try to rely more on vegetarian meals mostly because I'm perfectly *rotten* at
cooking many meat things.

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In "]news:[email hidden], Dwight McNamara
<[email hidden]> typed:

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This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with
CJD. Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian
roulette to eat red meat. I may give up my five hamburger a day habit!

Nope. I just bought 6 briskets to fill the freezer since they dropped

to

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$1.15 per pound. I'll probably barbecue one in the middle of the week.

BOB vegetarian, Indian word for lousy hunter

I resolve to eat only vegetarians... ;-)

That's what we were eating before they decided it was financially advantageous to make cows
cannibals by feeding them their ground-up deceased/diseased relatives. Maybe we should only eat feed
company managers.

Gabby

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" BOB" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Nope. I just bought 6 briskets to fill the freezer since they dropped

to

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> $1.15 per pound. I'll probably barbecue one in the middle of the week.
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> BOB vegetarian, Indian word for lousy hunter
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I resolve to eat only vegetarians... ;-)

K.

Nah. Too stringy and bitter... BOB

ROFL! Thought that was what pressure cookers and crock pots were for? ;-D

K.

Pressure cooker won't get rid of the "bitter"

Dwight McNamara said:

This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat.

That's silly. I can't believe the amount of mathematical illiteracy in the United States. The odds
of getting sick from mad cow are so ridiculously slim that I doubt my calculator has enough zeroes
to display the result.

Don't forget about the 600+ people who were stricken with Hepetitis A a few months ago after eating
green onions at a restaurant in Pennsylvania. That's 600+ more people than those who have been
sickened by mad cow disease.

There are some good reasons to go vegetarian, but hysteria is not one of them.

also here in the u.k. just after the "Height" of all the cjd.it was reported that a lot of people
who were thought to be suffering from altzeimers in the u.k.( especially the ones who were
considered rather young to have it)could have the variant as the symptoms are similar.not heard much
about it for a couple of years though.

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That's silly. I can't believe the amount of mathematical illiteracy in the United States. The odds
of getting sick from mad cow are so ridiculously slim that I doubt my calculator has enough zeroes
to display the result.

fwiw, i happened to get this book at the library:

randomhouse.comdisplay.pperlOpen ↗

it's good even if you've had prior exposure to the stuff, interesting notes on what fund managers
aren't telling us, etc.

it ends on education, basically that quantitative skills aren't taught, but (sadly) things that
should come before quantitative skills (like basic math) aren't taught either. what can ya do?

(i probably do a bad job of summarizing in those few lines. good little book)

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(Dwight McNamara) said:

This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the type related to BSE in cows, is indeed horrifying. However,
from 1983 to 2003, approx.180,000 cases of BSE were found in the UK and estimates of human deaths
are under 150.

Russian roulette with a six-shooter gives you a 1 in six chance of being shot. The chances of
contracting vCJD from eating beef are more like 1 in 1,000,000. 1-yr odds for dying as a car
occupant are around 1 in 18,000.

Not that this is a recommendation against vegetarianism. Or traveling in cars or, indeed, walking
out of your house in the morning and falling on the steps (1 in 210,000).

I believe I may try to rely more on vegetarian meals mostly because I'm perfectly *rotten* at
cooking many meat things.

very good info...thanks

Frogleg said:

(Dwight McNamara) said:

This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the type related to BSE in cows, is indeed horrifying. However,
from 1983 to 2003, approx.180,000 cases of BSE were found in the UK and estimates of human deaths
are under 150.

I don't think that living with VCJ would be any better than dying from it.

--Blair "Someone needs to hang a few cattle-feed manufacturers."

On 5 Jan 2004 18:21:30 -0800, [email hidden] (Dwight

McNamara) said:

Frogleg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

(Dwight McNamara) said:

This Mad Cow stuff is scary. I saw that Anderson Copper show with the girl in the USA with CJD.
Sad stuff. Her parents say the U.S. is wrong to say that beef is safe. You play russian roulette
to eat red meat.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the type related to BSE in cows, is indeed horrifying.
However, from 1983 to 2003, approx.180,000 cases of BSE were found in the UK and estimates of
human deaths are under 150.

Russian roulette with a six-shooter gives you a 1 in six chance of being shot. The chances of
contracting vCJD from eating beef are more like 1 in 1,000,000. 1-yr odds for dying as a car
occupant are around 1 in 18,000.

Not that this is a recommendation against vegetarianism. Or traveling in cars or, indeed, walking
out of your house in the morning and falling on the steps (1 in 210,000).

I believe I may try to rely more on vegetarian meals mostly because I'm perfectly *rotten* at
cooking many meat things.

very good info...thanks

An excellent numerical perspective on things.

boron

Blair P. Houghton said:

Frogleg <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the type related to BSE in cows, is indeed horrifying. However,
from 1983 to 2003, approx.180,000 cases of BSE were found in the UK and estimates of human deaths
are under 150.

I don't think that living with VCJ would be any better than dying from it.

Sorry. I realized after I posted that I wasn't quite clear. The 180,000 figure was for BSE in cows;
the 150 human deaths (or infections -- wasn't too easy to distinguish) attributed to vCJD were under
150. That is, there was a lot of BSE and not much vCJD.

Socks said:

Quoted message said:

That's silly. I can't believe the amount of mathematical illiteracy in the United States. The
odds of getting sick from mad cow are so ridiculously slim that I doubt my calculator has enough
zeroes to display the result.

fwiw, i happened to get this book at the library:

randomhouse.comdisplay.pperlOpen ↗

it's good even if you've had prior exposure to the stuff, interesting notes on what fund managers
aren't telling us, etc.

it ends on education, basically that quantitative skills aren't taught, but (sadly) things that
should come before quantitative skills (like basic math) aren't taught either. what can ya do?

"One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

-- Joseph Stalin

Locally, 2 people have died from the flu this season (one already in poor health), both stories
covered extensively by local media. Also widely reported was the shortage of flu vaccine, and video
of people waiting in line for hours to get shots. What was barely mentioned was the approx. 36,000
deaths from flu-related causes each year in the US.

People just don't pay attention to numbers. I heard more than one report that the price farmers were
receiving for beef had "plummeted $1 to $2 per pound" after a mad cow was discovered in Washington.
I can't find current figures, curse it, but I'm pretty sure the price of beef on the hoof is
somewhere between $0.75 and $1.25/lb. Surely cattle producers aren't paying slaughterhouses a
$0.75/lb premium to take their cows.

It's not just that so many can't add or multiply, it's that they have no conception of numerical
quantities at all. Newsies reglarly report with no embarrassment that a new bridge "may cost as much
as $200," because that's what their script looks like when someone leaves off 6 zeroes. How I do
delight in the very few who read and then say, "This can't be right. It must be...."

Frogleg,

Would you contact me offlist? (My address is unmunged.) I agree with all you've said about number
illiteracy and want help in finding sources for statistics I find unbelievable. No, that's wrong. I
need BELIEVABLE sources to correct the unbelievable. Specifically, I'm having the worst time
finding anything unbiased on the number of women who have had abortions and later have fertility
troubles. I'm also

statistics I read are wild.

--Lia

Frogleg said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Frogleg <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the type related to BSE in cows, is indeed horrifying.
However, from 1983 to 2003, approx.180,000 cases of BSE were found in the UK and estimates of
human deaths are under 150.

I don't think that living with VCJ would be any better than dying from it.

Sorry. I realized after I posted that I wasn't quite clear. The 180,000 figure was for BSE in
cows; the 150 human deaths (or infections -- wasn't too easy to distinguish) attributed to vCJD
were under 150. That is, there was a lot of BSE and not much vCJD.

So far, my family isn't off beef - we're all going to have roast beef and yorkshire pudding this
coming Sunday. I can't say we're huge meat eaters either - but when we want meat, we indulge in it.

My husband and I had dinner tonight at a favorite burger place (not a fast food joint) and noticed
that it was unusually empty. I can't tell you if that was because of the mad cow scare or because
it's January - which is the time we'd normally expect people not to be eating out anyway (due to
excess spending during the holiday season and/or a new year's resolution to diet).

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Frogleg said:

It's not just that so many can't add or multiply, it's that they have no conception of numerical
quantities at all. Newsies reglarly report with no embarrassment that a new bridge "may cost as
much as $200," because that's what their script looks like when someone leaves off 6 zeroes. How
I do delight in the very few who read and then say, "This can't be right. It must be...."

Multiplying has nothing to do with the number of zeros after a number. Either you can read it or you
can't. Why make them guess? I'll tell you why, it's because the Great Unwashed will ask pointed
questions when they are given honest numbers.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments