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  1. I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood finding
    a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get into cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think the limited functioning of
    the arms is a life-long situation, not the result of a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

  2. Commercial - Flevobike have possibilities : ligfiets.nete ch4 13.htm last two
    pictures in particular. But the original are discontinued? flevobike.comflevobike.com

    Homebrew . Python : python.de.ttpython.de.tt

    Equipped with a Shimano nexus 7 speed hub (with brake) and a innovative shifter, it should work.

    Regards, Torben

    "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get


    into

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    cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think


    the

    Quoted message said:

    limited functioning of the arms is a life-long situation, not the result


    of

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    a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

  3. This is the guy he should contact : fastfwd.nlfastfwd.nl

  4. ron must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get into cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think the limited functioning of
    the arms is a life-long situation, not the result of a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda


    Flevo in Holland do bikes and trikes with leg steering.

    Ian

  5. Ian must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    ron must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the
    legs/feet. The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best
    likelihood finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get into cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory
    or home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think the limited functioning
    of the arms is a life-long situation, not the result of a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda


    Flevo in Holland do bikes and trikes with leg steering.

    Ian


    Also, come to think of it, haven't Shimano come up with a Nexus hub and auto gear change? Could be a
    good combination.

    Ian

  6. Torben Scheel said:

    Commercial - Flevobike have possibilities : ligfiets.nete ch4 13.htm last two
    pictures in particular. But the original are discontinued? flevobike.comflevobike.com

    The Flevobike is still available from Ligfietsshop Tempelman -
    ligfietsshop.nlbike nl.htm and
    ligfietsshop.nlbikeair nl.htm

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
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  7. There are some people who can take off from a stop and ride no handed on an FWB 'bent.

    One of these, I believe is a gentleman named Bill Patterson.

    You might want to try a search on this newsgroup for him.

    Hope this helps.

    Lewis.

    ........................

    "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get into cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think the limited functioning of
    the arms is a life-long situation, not the result of a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

  8. He could always slap a Motor on the 2 wheeler for forward speed and use his 2 feet to steer and
    brake with. The motor could have a throttle adapted so the left/right movement of his knees.
    Personally I would applaud his desire to use a 2 wheel bent to be mobile, same time I would question
    his understanding of how a 2 wheel bent works...unless he has a death wish or a desire to become a
    Quadraplegic.

    The ideal Platform for this chap would be a Delta Trike like a Kettweisel or maybe an EZ-3. USS
    would be too twitchy for foot steer, so the EZ-3 would be easier to alter. It would be easy to adapt
    the mono front wheel steering for foot use and have a Mid Drive Motor assist to replace the cranks.
    Braking would be by Discs activated by his feet or better yet the outerside of his knees pushing
    against a spring loaded panel.

    A Thought....contact Julie Kennedy @ APAX in Ottawa and see if their Prototype Delta can be altered
    for his needs.

    Hmmmm I thought APAX was due to be Unleashed to the masses by May 01, 03??? Anyone hear what what is
    going on with APAX (this time)??
    **************************
    "Ian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Ian must be edykated coz e writed:

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    ron must be edykated coz e writed:

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    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a


    model

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    that could be used by someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would
    come from the legs/feet. The person is not


    too

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    interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get


    into

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    cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent?


    Has

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    anyone seen one factory or home-built? Is this a


    ridiculous/unrealistic

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    objective -- can't imagine how one would do both steering and powering


    a 2

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    wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there


    a

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    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I


    think the

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    limited functioning of the arms is a life-long situation, not the


    result of

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    a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda


    Flevo in Holland do bikes and trikes with leg steering.

    Ian


    Also, come to think of it, haven't Shimano come up with a Nexus hub and


    auto

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    gear change? Could be a good combination.

    Ian

  9. I believe some of the old front wheel drive moving bottom bracket bikes were claimed by some to be
    rideable with no hands. I think a trike would be a better solution. There are many very nice
    recumbent trikes. Some of which are quite fast. If this individual is thinking of the granny trikes
    then I understand but the recumbent trikes are another matter.

    "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get into cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think the limited functioning of
    the arms is a life-long situation, not the result of a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

  10. "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    THE BIKE RACK, in St Charles, IL specializes in bikes for mobility-impaired folks. Give them a call
    or visit their web page.

    rich

  11. Little or no function in both arms? Don Gray, a one armed person, rode an Easy Racer well, could
    give the best riders a good hard run. He mounted both shifters on one side of the handle bar and a
    splitter on the brake cable. As long as the person can balance ok, then any brand will work with
    some changes to the controls. Both arms no function is another story. Speedy

    ron said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get into cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think the limited functioning of
    the arms is a life-long situation, not the result of a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

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  12. Something like a Bilenky (sp?)? A tandem with the stoker position manned by the pilot and the front
    position is ideal for the physically challenged who can supply leg power. "ron"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get


    into

    Quoted message said:

    cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think


    the

    Quoted message said:

    limited functioning of the arms is a life-long situation, not the result


    of

    Quoted message said:

    a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

  13. "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built?

    Regarding 'home-built' use this link to see an example:

    python.de.ttpython.de.tt

    Best regards,

    Stan

  14. Stan must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory
    or home-built?

    Regarding 'home-built' use this link to see an example:

    python.de.ttpython.de.tt

    Best regards,

    Stan


    Or

    flevobike.nlindexmodellen.html

    Ian

  15. Thanks guys. I really appreciate your time and all the suggestions which I'll summarize and forward
    to the bike shop. I have sent off a couple emails to the links you provided so perhaps more info
    will come from that.

    This info should help a lot. Best regards, Ron

    "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was asked by a shop who carries a line of bents whether there is a model that could be used by
    someone with little or no arm function. So, both steering and power would come from the legs/feet.
    The person is not too interested in a trike which I thought would offer the best likelihood
    finding a solution.

    The individual is apparently otherwise fit and active and wants to get


    into

    Quoted message said:

    cycling if possible.

    Thus, my question to the group... is there such a two wheeled bent? Has anyone seen one factory or
    home-built? Is this a ridiculous/unrealistic objective -- can't imagine how one would do both
    steering and powering a 2 wheeled bent but that is just my limited experience showing. Is there a
    trike option that might be worth investigating?

    Sorry I don't have any further info on the person's experience. I think


    the

    Quoted message said:

    limited functioning of the arms is a life-long situation, not the result


    of

    Quoted message said:

    a recent accident.

    I agreed to ask around. Any ideas appreciated. Ron Ottawa Cda

  16. Joshua Goldberg said:

    He could always slap a Motor on the 2 wheeler for forward speed and use his 2 feet to steer and
    brake with. The motor could have a throttle adapted so the left/right movement of his knees.

    In what way is it cycling if all the propulsion comes from a motor and the driver, sorry, rider just
    steers and brakes it? It just sounds like car driving to me.

    Anyway, I'd have thought you'd need to go for a trike and something that's lean steer with
    back-pedal braking.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  17. "ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Thanks guys. I really appreciate your time and all the suggestions which I'll summarize and
    forward to the bike shop. I have sent off a couple emails to the links you provided so perhaps
    more info will come from that.

    My neighbors are confined to wheelchairs, and have *very* limited hand/arm function. The ride all
    over the neighborhood, in electric chairs controlling throttle, brake and steering with one
    little joystick.

    One could adapt an EZ 3 to be steered with small servomotors. Braking could also be done with
    motors or using one of the internal geared hubs with coaster brake. If he can't shift manually, the
    Shimano Nexus Auto-D is very reliable, and is available with the coaster brake. However, it is only
    a 4 speed.

    This is just the sort of project I like to take on, but have more work than I can handle for at
    least the next year or two. If he contacts me with more specific info about the arm function he does
    have, I may be able to make other suggestions.

  18. Ian cycling can be done by people with all kids of physical disabilities except for 2 biggies, no
    vision and no arms. this person was supposed to have very limited or no ability to use their hands
    to steer with. this means the feet must do all the steering. this person also did NOT want a
    trike...the options available are therefore very limited.

    As for saying the bent is the same as a car...if a motor is used for propulsion. Maybe Motorcycle is
    a better example. This person would derive benefit to their entire body on a bent and hardly no
    benefit in a car/
    *****************
    "Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Joshua Goldberg said:

    He could always slap a Motor on the 2 wheeler for forward speed and use


    his

    Quoted message said:
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    2 feet to steer and brake with. The motor could have a throttle adapted


    so

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    the left/right movement of his knees.

    In what way is it cycling if all the propulsion comes from a motor and the driver, sorry, rider
    just steers and brakes it? It just sounds like car driving to me.

    Anyway, I'd have thought you'd need to go for a trike and something that's lean steer with
    back-pedal braking.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  19. Joshua Goldberg said:

    cycling can be done by people with all kids of physical disabilities except for 2 biggies, no
    vision and no arms.

    I'm not sure about the armless ones, but my mate Bob is a keen cyclist (and an expert bike mechanic
    and wheelbuilder) despite having absolutely no vision whatsoever. He rides a tandem and a group of
    us take it in turns to take the captain's seat. Bob, of course, is in the Admiral's seat :-)

    Guy
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  20. Yes, but your friend cannot steer the bike/bent without his vision.

    A Seeing Eye dog might work but if it was distracted the rider would be following where the dog
    goes, tree, fire hydrant, chasing a cat through the garden of Cacti.

    Seeing Eye dogs are trained to ignore almost all distractions (except one) and that would be the
    Dreaded-Hot-Horney-[censored] with the Pink Leather collar. Your seeing eye dog knows you cannot see him
    and what he is doing and what doogie can resist some hot roadside luvin. Dog looks at you on your
    bent..looks at FeeFee strutting her stuff with her tail in the air...he looks at you...looks at
    FeeFee, you just know you are going to be sitting on your bent in park waiting for your pooch to
    finish making FeeFee howl like a Banshee and what if FeeFee plays hard to get and dashes across 6
    lanes of rush hour traffic with your dog and you in hot pursuit.

    Last Saturday noon I was riding down University Ave at a good clip (street slopes down a bit). I
    then get something in my right eye. I only have one eye and so I hit the brake (back brake wasn't
    connected). I glide to a stop, take out my water bottle of Ice Water and splash water in eye and
    wipe with a towel...vision restored....I seem to have come to a complete stop in the middle of a
    busy intersection. All the cars took me in stride and drove around me like it was normal to see a
    guy parked on a bent in the middle of a very busy intersection.

    But anyone who is blind would face the same problem of never knowing were he is riding or where he
    has come to a stop and how would he know he has got to where he was going ?
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    Quoted message said:
    Joshua Goldberg said:

    cycling can be done by people with all kids of physical disabilities


    except

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    Quoted message said:

    for 2 biggies, no vision and no arms.

    I'm not sure about the armless ones, but my mate Bob is a keen cyclist (and an expert bike
    mechanic and wheelbuilder) despite having absolutely no vision whatsoever. He rides a tandem and
    a group of us take it in turns to take the captain's seat. Bob, of course, is in the Admiral's
    seat :-)

    Guy
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    notice: ADSL service in process of transfer to a new ISP. Obviously there will be a week of
    downtime between the engineer removing the BT service and the same engineer connecting the same
    equipment on the same line in the same exchange and billing it to the new ISP.

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