Anti-vax 10 Commandments

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Subject: Anti-vax 10 Commandments
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 2/28/2004 11:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
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As part of a project on the anti-vaccination religion

There is no such thing.

TEN COMMANDMENTS
Revised Standard Version
Exodus 20:1-17

1. And God spoke all these words, saying,

2. "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of
the house of bondage.

3. "You shall have no other gods before me.

4. "You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the
water under the earth;

5. you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a
jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the
third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

6. but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my
commandments.

7. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will
not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

8. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work;
10. but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not
do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your
maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates;

11. for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in
them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day
and hallowed it.

12. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land
which the LORD your God gives you.

13. "You shall not kill.

14. "You shall not commit adultery.

15. "You shall not steal.

16. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your
neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass,
or anything that is your neighbor's."

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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As part of a project on the anti-vaccination religion, I have
uncovered some ancient manuscripts containing the Anti-vax 10
Commandments.

Who would trust a medical monopoly which systematically suppresses
cures because they can't be patented and make big money for the
pharmaceutical business?

They say vaccinations are part of a responsible health regime, but
they say a lot of things like the war in Iraq was all about WMD.

Why are cures for so many chronic diseases always just around the
corner?

Did you know that cures for most diseases have already been discovered
but have to be kept quiet out of fear of reprisals?

Did you know that The American Medical Association was chartered by
the English crown and is therefore a "foreign agent".

Why trust conventional medicine?

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

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Subject: Anti-vax 10 Commandments
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 2/28/2004 11:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

As part of a project on the anti-vaccination religion

There is no such thing.

TEN COMMANDMENTS
Revised Standard Version
Exodus 20:1-17

1. And God spoke all these words, saying,

2. "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out

of

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the house of bondage.

3. "You shall have no other gods before me.

4. "You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of

anything

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that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in

the

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water under the earth;

5. you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God

am a

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jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the
third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

6. but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep

my

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commandments.

7. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD

will

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not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

8. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work;
10. but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you

shall not

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do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your
maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates;

11. for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that

is in

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them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath

day

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and hallowed it.

12. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the

land

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which the LORD your God gives you.

13. "You shall not kill.

14. "You shall not commit adultery.

15. "You shall not steal.

16. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your
neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his

ass,

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or anything that is your neighbor's."

I count 15.
Did you find the extra table that Moses broke by mistake?

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Peter,

Although I am generally not real crazy about vaccinations, and
although my own son was hurt by one (not disabled, just hurt), I
appreciate your desire that people not be doctrinaire and/or fanatical
about this (or any other matter). I will be getting flu shot when
they are available and necessary.

However, be that as it may, this, your quote of the number of deaths
from measles is complete bunk:

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4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
labour, and do all thy work, for in six days 16,800 children will die
of measles alone and on the seventh 2,800 will die while you are
resting

Another point: It would be typical of hard scientists/left brain
types to fail to see the suble and negative changes that can take
place in a child after they have had a vaccination. Of course, in
some case, such changes may be acceptable if worse harm can be
avoided.

"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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As part of a project on the anti-vaccination religion, I have
uncovered some ancient manuscripts containing the Anti-vax 10
Commandments.

Who would trust a medical monopoly which systematically suppresses
cures because they can't be patented and make big money for the
pharmaceutical business?

Would you trust a medical monopoly that ignored 'cures' that were never
shown to work.

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They say vaccinations are part of a responsible health regime, but
they say a lot of things like the war in Iraq was all about WMD.

Two different 'theys'.

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Why are cures for so many chronic diseases always just around the
corner?

Cause once the cure is available the disease is no longer chronic, so they
have to move onto new chronic diseases.

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Did you know that cures for most diseases have already been discovered
but have to be kept quiet out of fear of reprisals?

Did you know you spew a lot of [censored]?

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Did you know that The American Medical Association was chartered by
the English crown and is therefore a "foreign agent".

Forein to who?
I thought you were an Aussie and therefore still subject to the English
crown?
Or were you one of those not too brights that were complaining when Jonnie
Howard took away your guns that you had a 'constitutional right'.

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Why trust conventional medicine?

Why trust loonies like Carole?

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Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

(hotmoon) said:

Peter,

Although I am generally not real crazy about vaccinations, and
although my own son was hurt by one (not disabled, just hurt), I
appreciate your desire that people not be doctrinaire and/or fanatical
about this (or any other matter). I will be getting flu shot when
they are available and necessary.

However, be that as it may, this, your quote of the number of deaths
from measles is complete bunk:

You're right. Deaths are only an average of 2041 per day. I had it
right on my measles death counter page at
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars/measlesdeaths.htm but another
number got into my head somehow.

http://www.who.int/vaccine_research/diseases/measles/en/

Disease burden. Measles, in spite of available vaccination, remains a
heavy public health burden worldwide especially in developing
countries with 30-40 million cases, 26 million DALYs (WHO, 2002 ) and
745 000 deaths (WHO, 2002 ) for the year 2001. This represents 50-60%
of the estimated million deaths attributable to vaccine-preventable
diseases of childhood. Measles may be ultimately responsible for more
child deaths than any other single agent because of complications from
pneumonia, diarrhoea and malnutrition. Measles is also the major cause
of preventable blindness in the world, affecting the same
disadvantaged populations.

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4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
labour, and do all thy work, for in six days 16,800 children will die
of measles alone and on the seventh 2,800 will die while you are
resting

Another point: It would be typical of hard scientists/left brain
types to fail to see the suble and negative changes that can take
place in a child after they have had a vaccination. Of course, in
some case, such changes may be acceptable if worse harm can be
avoided.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

(Carole) said:

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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As part of a project on the anti-vaccination religion, I have
uncovered some ancient manuscripts containing the Anti-vax 10
Commandments.

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Who would trust a medical monopoly which systematically suppresses
cures because they can't be patented and make big money for the
pharmaceutical business?

You mean the medical monopoly that not only dicovered, but
PUBLICIZED that low doses of non-patentable aspirin decrease the
risk of heart attachs, and that diets high in fresh vegetables
reduce the risk of colon cancer? The one that encourages mothers
to breast fee dbecause it's better for the babies?

Or is there one I don't know about?

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They say vaccinations are part of a responsible health regime, but
they say a lot of things like the war in Iraq was all about WMD.

Don't confude medicine with Republicans, please.

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Why are cures for so many chronic diseases always just around the
corner?

Many of them are "lifestyle" diseases, and the cure is in your
hands. The cure for type II diabetes is to not get obese. The
cure for COPD is to never get it by never smoking.

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Did you know that cures for most diseases have already been discovered
but have to be kept quiet out of fear of reprisals?

Oh really? And which diseases are those, and how come you are
talking about it? No fear of reprisals?

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Did you know that The American Medical Association was chartered by
the English crown and is therefore a "foreign agent".

Any non-English association doing anything in England is classed
as a "foreign agent" ...

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Why trust conventional medicine?

Because it publishes its results, and tests its theories.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

(hotmoon) said:

However, be that as it may, this, your quote of the number of deaths
from measles is complete bunk:

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4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
labour, and do all thy work, for in six days 16,800 children will die
of measles alone and on the seventh 2,800 will die while you are
resting

Third World countries lose thousands of children to measles and
the associated pneumonias, because of no antiboitics for the
pneumonias and no vaccine.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

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Why trust conventional medicine?

Because it publishes its results, and tests its theories.

Bingo!

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hotmoon said:

Peter,

Although I am generally not real crazy about vaccinations, and
although my own son was hurt by one (not disabled, just hurt),

Could you be more specific? "Hurt" means what in this case? Was
there permanent injury involved? (You may have answered this question
before, but I'm not going to try to dig through your entire set of
Usenet postings to try to find the answer.)

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However, be that as it may, this, your quote of the number of deaths
from measles is complete bunk:

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4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou
labour, and do all thy work, for in six days 16,800 children will die
of measles alone and on the seventh 2,800 will die while you are
resting

He's not talking about the US, he's talking about the entire world.
Measles can be fatal in 10% of the cases in children in 3rd world
countries, mostly due to secondary infections and a lack of
antibiotics.

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Another point: It would be typical of hard scientists/left brain
types to fail to see the suble and negative changes that can take
place in a child after they have had a vaccination. Of course, in
some case, such changes may be acceptable if worse harm can be
avoided.

Well, that *is* the general goal. But I don't think there's any
reason to claim that "left-brain" types can't see subtle changes.
Why would that be true?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Carole said:

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

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As part of a project on the anti-vaccination religion, I have
uncovered some ancient manuscripts containing the Anti-vax 10
Commandments.

Who would trust a medical monopoly which systematically suppresses
cures because they can't be patented and make big money for the
pharmaceutical business?

Of course, you're just assuming that this happens, based on stuff
you've read about Awful Medical Conspiracies.

Not everyone believes in that stuff. Me, for instance.

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They say vaccinations are part of a responsible health regime, but
they say a lot of things like the war in Iraq was all about WMD.

The people who say vaccinations are good are not the same people who
claimed Iraq had WMDs.

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Why are cures for so many chronic diseases always just around the
corner?

Because once we have one, it stops becoming a chronic disease, and we
start worrying about something else.

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Did you know that cures for most diseases have already been discovered
but have to be kept quiet out of fear of reprisals?

No, I didn't know that. You don't know it either, you just think you
do.

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Why trust conventional medicine?

Because it gets results and tests those results, something
"alternative" remedies are loath to do, at least in most cases.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<

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You're right. Deaths are only an average of 2041 per day.

Gee, that would mean that approximately 3 children die each day in my
town from measles. What a frigging lie!!!!!!!! Or were you counting
the whole world, much of which suffers from malnutrition.

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But I don't think there's any
reason to claim that "left-brain" types can't see subtle changes.
Why would that be true?

Left-brainers tend to be externally oriented. Human, spiritual, and
emotional matters do not come naturally to them.

(hotmoon) said:

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<

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You're right. Deaths are only an average of 2041 per day.

Gee, that would mean that approximately 3 children die each day in my
town from measles. What a frigging lie!!!!!!!! Or were you counting
the whole world, much of which suffers from malnutrition.

Next time, keep reading. I am pleased th see that you don't think that
children in other countries matter.

Here is what I said:

You're right. Deaths are only an average of 2041 per day. I had it
right on my measles death counter page at
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars/measlesdeaths.htm but another
number got into my head somehow.

http://www.who.int/vaccine_research/diseases/measles/en/

Disease burden. Measles, in spite of available vaccination, remains a
heavy public health burden worldwide especially in developing
countries with 30-40 million cases, 26 million DALYs (WHO, 2002 ) and
745 000 deaths (WHO, 2002 ) for the year 2001. This represents 50-60%
of the estimated million deaths attributable to vaccine-preventable
diseases of childhood. Measles may be ultimately responsible for more
child deaths than any other single agent because of complications from
pneumonia, diarrhoea and malnutrition. Measles is also the major cause
of preventable blindness in the world, affecting the same
disadvantaged populations.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

(hotmoon) said:

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news

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But I don't think there's any
reason to claim that "left-brain" types can't see subtle changes.
Why would that be true?

Left-brainers tend to be externally oriented. Human, spiritual, and
emotional matters do not come naturally to them.

You never answered his question about what you meant by "hurt".

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news>

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You never answered his question about what you meant by "hurt".

And your point?

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Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news>

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You never answered his question about what you meant by "hurt".

And your point?

The point is, you made a claim and someone asked you for clarrification.

Your claim:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hotmoon said:

Peter,

Although I am generally not real crazy about vaccinations, and
although my own son was hurt by one (not disabled, just hurt),

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See, you say your son was *hurt* and an inquiring mind wanted to know just
what this *hurt* is?

Now, can you please excpalin what this *hurt* is?

TIA.

2004' Mark said:

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Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news>

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You never answered his question about what you meant by "hurt".

And your point?

The point is, you made a claim and someone asked you for clarrification.

Your claim:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hotmoon said:

Peter,

Although I am generally not real crazy about vaccinations, and
although my own son was hurt by one (not disabled, just hurt),

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See, you say your son was *hurt* and an inquiring mind wanted to know just
what this *hurt* is?

Now, can you please excpalin what this *hurt* is?

Cue Hotmoon to say it is none of your business.

Aloha,

Rich

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TIA.

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2004' Mark said:

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Tsu Dho Nimh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news>

> You never answered his question about what you meant by "hurt".

And your point?

The point is, you made a claim and someone asked you for clarrification.

Your claim:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hotmoon said:

Peter,

Although I am generally not real crazy about vaccinations, and
although my own son was hurt by one (not disabled, just hurt),

------

See, you say your son was *hurt* and an inquiring mind wanted to know

just

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what this *hurt* is?

Now, can you please excpalin what this *hurt* is?

Cue Hotmoon to say it is none of your business.

I will continue to hope for a clear and concise answer. I have heard people
make this claim before, and I would love to know what this *hurt* is.

You may recall that I have a physician friend whose son was *hurt* by a now
vaccine preventable disease, before the introduction of the vaccine. Thus, I
would like to be able to compare *hurts*.

(For those who do not know the whole story, the son has severe brain damage
and functions on the profoundly retarded level.)