Anti-Vac Arrogance

Mark Probert said:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607804,00.html

Who Needs Shots?
A lot of parents are still choosing not to vaccinate their babies. But at
what risk?
By CHRISTINE GORMAN

Excellent article. Thank you for showing that arrogance in the face of
preventable, human tragedy is an ugliness we can do without.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Quoted message said:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607804,00.html

Who Needs Shots?
A lot of parents are still choosing not to vaccinate their babies. But at
what risk?
By CHRISTINE GORMAN

Monday, Apr. 12, 2004
When an Iowa College student returned from a class trip to India last

month,

Quoted message said:

he brought back more than the usual souvenirs. The man, 19, was infected
with measles, a disease that is largely under control in the U.S. but is
endemic in India and can cause high fevers, deafness, inflammation of the
brain and even death. He wound up infecting at least one other person on

the

Quoted message said:

plane, and Iowa health officials confirmed last week that a third person
later developed the disease on the ground.

What happened? It turns out the young man, like several others in his
college group, comes from a family that doesn't believe in vaccination,

and

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so he had never had his measles shots. Altogether, six people in the group
developed the illness while in India. When doctors at the Iowa Department

of

Quoted message said:

Public Health learned about their condition, they asked the ailing

students

Quoted message said:

and their unvaccinated traveling companions to delay their return to the
U.S. so as not to spread the infection. Instead, says Kevin Teale, a
spokesman for the public-health department, the 19year-old "came back

early

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against our advice."

----
Comment: An excellent example of 'free choice not to vaccinate' arrogance.

With any luck, the Iowa outbreak may be limited to just the three cases.

But

Quoted message said:

it raises an important question: Why would anyone choose not to get
vaccinated? For some it's a matter of religion. For others it's a concern
about possible side effects. All vaccines have some small risk. Some

parents

Quoted message said:

and even a few doctors also are worried that recent increases in the rate

of

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autism and earlier occurrences of Type 1 diabetes could have been caused

by

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routine childhood vaccines.

It has taken a while, but the best and largest studies have shown that not
to be the case. Eighteen months ago, a giant study of practically every
child in Denmark found no causative link between autism and the so-called
MMR shot - the triple vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella. Another
big Danish study last week found no link between various childhood

vaccines

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and Type 1 diabetes.

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason -

not

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to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone around
them.

From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

Well, I guess you should hide in your house then, because the great
un-vaccinated are out there.

M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5 said:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607804,00.html

Who Needs Shots?
A lot of parents are still choosing not to vaccinate their babies. But at
what risk?

That measles vaccine half killed me. And I still got the measles. You can keep
it.

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Quoted message said:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607804,00.html

(Yet another example of crappy reporting!)

Quoted message said:

Who Needs Shots?
A lot of parents are still choosing not to vaccinate their babies. But

at

Quoted message said:

what risk?

Quoted message said:

By CHRISTINE GORMAN

Quoted message said:

Monday, Apr. 12, 2004
When an Iowa College student returned from a class trip to India last

month,

Quoted message said:

he brought back more than the usual souvenirs. The man, 19, was

infected

Quoted message said:

with measles, a disease that is largely under control in the U.S. but

is

Quoted message said:

endemic in India and can cause high fevers, deafness, inflammation of

the

Quoted message said:

brain and even death.

lol....Virtually *anything* can cause death.

He wound up infecting at least one other person on the

Quoted message said:

plane, and Iowa health officials confirmed last week that a third

person

Quoted message said:

later developed the disease on the ground.

Ages? Vaccination status? I'm betting those infected were also adults,
simply because if they were kids, health officials would use that fact
in their propaganda.

Quoted message said:

What happened? It turns out the young man, like several others in his
college group, comes from a family that doesn't believe in

vaccination, and

Quoted message said:

so he had never had his measles shots. Altogether, six people in the

group

Quoted message said:

developed the illness while in India.

Again, age and vaccination status? I'm inclined to believe most, if not
all, of the others infected *were* vaccinated, for the same reason as
above. (I think health officials would announce that they--the others
infected--also were not vaccinated, if that was the case. No value, and
perhaps some harm, in publicizing the fact that they were vaccinated.)

When doctors at the Iowa Department of

Quoted message said:

Public Health learned about their condition, they asked the ailing

students

Quoted message said:

and their unvaccinated traveling companions to delay their return to

the

Quoted message said:

U.S. so as not to spread the infection. Instead, says Kevin Teale, a
spokesman for the public-health department, the 19year-old "came back

early

Quoted message said:

against our advice."

Quoted message said:

----
Comment: An excellent example of 'free choice not to vaccinate'

arrogance.

Quoted message said:

With any luck, the Iowa outbreak may be limited to just the three

cases. But

Quoted message said:

it raises an important question: Why would anyone choose not to get
vaccinated? For some it's a matter of religion. For others it's a

concern

Quoted message said:

about possible side effects. All vaccines have some small risk. Some

parents

Quoted message said:

and even a few doctors also are worried that recent increases in the

rate of

Quoted message said:

autism and earlier occurrences of Type 1 diabetes could have been

caused by

Quoted message said:

routine childhood vaccines.

Forgoing vaccination boils down to three reasons: Safety, efficacy,
and/or necessity. IME, the majority of non-vaccinators cite the third
reason, and their beliefs/opinions are not predicated upon "herd
immunity"; they're simply, despite the dire warnings of possible
complications/sequelae of a disease, no more afraid of formerly routine
(endemic) diseases than they are of, say, a cold or the flu.

Quoted message said:

It has taken a while, but the best and largest studies have shown that

not

Quoted message said:

to be the case. Eighteen months ago, a giant study of practically

every

Quoted message said:

child in Denmark found no causative link between autism and the

so-called

Quoted message said:

MMR shot - the triple vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella.

Another

Quoted message said:

big Danish study last week found no link between various childhood

vaccines

Quoted message said:

and Type 1 diabetes.

Guess Ms. Gorman decided to cram as many vaccine/vaccination issues into
her article as possible! <g>

Quoted message said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any

reason - not

Quoted message said:

to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone

around

Quoted message said:

them.

Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. You might assert that an
individual poses a *potential* danger once he/she is infected, but
vaccinated individuals who've nonetheless contracted a given disease
pose the same danger.

Quoted message said:

From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

(If you want to read the vaccination opinions views of another Gorman
[Linda; the director of the Independence Institute's Health Care Policy
Center], you can find some at http://i2i.org/author.aspx?AuthorID=7.
The II HCPC's February bulletin had a good article, "Do We Spend Too
Much on Immunizations?" in its February issue;
http://i2i.org/hcpcfeb2004.aspx#1.)

JG said:

Quoted message said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any
reason - not
to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone
around them.

Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. ...

The article could have just as well concluded:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason
- to visit Third World countries, they are endangering not just
themselves but everyone around them.

or:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

Quoted message said:

From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

Time! that has to be the main mouthpiece of the cartel, if there ever
was one. Last time I looked at that piece of propaganda it was cover
to cover bin laden and co fearmongering--just another patsy for the
Illuminati fake war on terror http://www.whale.to/b/bin_laden.html

Roger Schlafly said:

JG said:

Quoted message said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any
reason - not
to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone
around them.

Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. ...

The article could have just as well concluded:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason
- to visit Third World countries, they are endangering not just
themselves but everyone around them.

or:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

Could it possibly be the case that Roger is at last getting a clue?

--
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t

Quoted message said:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607804,00.html

Who Needs Shots?
A lot of parents are still choosing not to vaccinate their babies. But at
what risk?
By CHRISTINE GORMAN

Monday, Apr. 12, 2004
When an Iowa College student returned from a class trip to India last month,
he brought back more than the usual souvenirs. The man, 19, was infected
with measles, a disease that is largely under control in the U.S. but is
endemic in India and can cause high fevers, deafness, inflammation of the
brain and even death. He wound up infecting at least one other person on the
plane, and Iowa health officials confirmed last week that a third person
later developed the disease on the ground.

What happened? It turns out the young man, like several others in his
college group, comes from a family that doesn't believe in vaccination, and
so he had never had his measles shots. Altogether, six people in the group
developed the illness while in India. When doctors at the Iowa Department of
Public Health learned about their condition, they asked the ailing students
and their unvaccinated traveling companions to delay their return to the
U.S. so as not to spread the infection. Instead, says Kevin Teale, a
spokesman for the public-health department, the 19year-old "came back early
against our advice."

----
Comment: An excellent example of 'free choice not to vaccinate' arrogance.

Indeed. The most arrogant part was that the young man refused to wait to
come back to the U.S. and hence infected at least one person back in
Iowa.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

(john) said:

Quoted message said:

From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

Time! that has to be the main mouthpiece of the cartel, if there ever
was one. Last time I looked at that piece of propaganda it was cover
to cover bin laden and co fearmongering--just another patsy for the
Illuminati fake war on terror http://www.whale.to/b/bin_laden.html

Nice attempt to change the topic because you don't like what the TIME
story says.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Bowditch said:

Roger Schlafly said:

JG said:

> The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any
> reason - not
> to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone
> around them.
Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. ...

The article could have just as well concluded:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason
- to visit Third World countries, they are endangering not just
themselves but everyone around them.

or:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

Could it possibly be the case that Roger is at last getting a clue?

That remains to be seen.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Schlafly said:

JG said:

Quoted message said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any
reason - not
to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone
around them.

Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. ...

The article could have just as well concluded:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason
- to visit Third World countries, they are endangering not just
themselves but everyone around them.

or:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

Very good. And with the interconnectedness of the world and the
frequency with which people travel between continents, that means that
vaccines can prevent outbreaks in the U.S. brought by international
travelers who were not vaccinated.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Quoted message said:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607804,00.html

(Yet another example of crappy reporting!)

Quoted message said:

Who Needs Shots?
A lot of parents are still choosing not to vaccinate their babies. But

at

Quoted message said:

what risk?

Quoted message said:

By CHRISTINE GORMAN

Quoted message said:

Monday, Apr. 12, 2004
When an Iowa College student returned from a class trip to India last

month,

Quoted message said:

he brought back more than the usual souvenirs. The man, 19, was

infected

Quoted message said:

with measles, a disease that is largely under control in the U.S. but

is

Quoted message said:

endemic in India and can cause high fevers, deafness, inflammation of

the

Quoted message said:

brain and even death.

lol....Virtually *anything* can cause death.

He wound up infecting at least one other person on the

Quoted message said:

plane, and Iowa health officials confirmed last week that a third

person

Quoted message said:

later developed the disease on the ground.

Ages? Vaccination status? I'm betting those infected were also adults,
simply because if they were kids, health officials would use that fact
in their propaganda.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm53d319a1.htm

So what?

"Of the three Iowa patients, one had been vaccinated for measles,
"but, unfortunately, vaccine is not 100 percent guaranteed that you
will not get measles," she said."

http://www.press-citizen.com/news/033104measles.htm

regardless, you're wrong. The vaccinated case was a 21 year old male
exposed to the incident case on a flight from Detroit to Cedar rapids.
Note, Roger, you don't have to leave the country to get exposed and
catch measles - and yes, even vaccination is not 100% effective.

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What happened? It turns out the young man, like several others in his
college group, comes from a family that doesn't believe in

vaccination, and

Quoted message said:

so he had never had his measles shots. Altogether, six people in the

group

Quoted message said:

developed the illness while in India.

Again, age and vaccination status? I'm inclined to believe most, if not
all, of the others infected *were* vaccinated,

Some were. Some were not. The incident case was not. The second US
case was. The third case is unknown. The school group was from a
college were exemptor status is common. It was reported that "A high
percentage of students from the college are reported to be
unvaccinated because of nonmedical exemptions. Six measles cases
occurred among the students while they were in India."

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for the same reason as
above. (I think health officials would announce that they--the others
infected--also were not vaccinated, if that was the case. No value, and
perhaps some harm, in publicizing the fact that they were vaccinated.)

Rather than conjecture, why not try and find out? I did. Seems that
simple statements from CDC and others strongly suggest that the
incident case and the six other infecteds were unvaccinated.

"The index patient was a member of a group of approximately 28
students and two supervisors from college A in Iowa who had traveled
to India, where approximately 52,000 cases of measles were reported in
2002 (4). A high percentage of students from college A are reported to
be unvaccinated because of nonmedical exemptions. Six measles cases
occurred among the students while they were in India. The group had
been scheduled to return to the United States on March 7. To avoid
potential spread during the prolonged airline flights, IDPH
recommended that these six students stay in India for at least 4 days
after rash onset (i.e., the period of infectivity). Contacts of these
infectious students who lacked immunity for measles were asked to stay
in India for 18 days after the last possible exposure. Despite these
recommendations, the index patient, who was an unvaccinated contact,
returned to the United States early, flying on March 12 from New Delhi
through Amsterdam and the Detroit Metro Airport to Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
During his travel, he had a cough and conjunctivitis, and within 24
hours of his arrival in Iowa on March 13, he had a rash. A local
physician reported the case to IDPH. Subsequently, measles was
confirmed serologically, and throat swab and urine specimens were
collected for viral isolation."

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When doctors at the Iowa Department of
Public Health learned about their condition, they asked the ailing

students

Quoted message said:

and their unvaccinated traveling companions to delay their return to

the

Quoted message said:

U.S. so as not to spread the infection. Instead, says Kevin Teale, a
spokesman for the public-health department, the 19year-old "came back

early

Quoted message said:

against our advice."

Quoted message said:

----
Comment: An excellent example of 'free choice not to vaccinate'

arrogance.

Quoted message said:

With any luck, the Iowa outbreak may be limited to just the three

cases. But

Quoted message said:

it raises an important question: Why would anyone choose not to get
vaccinated? For some it's a matter of religion. For others it's a

concern

Quoted message said:

about possible side effects. All vaccines have some small risk. Some

parents

Quoted message said:

and even a few doctors also are worried that recent increases in the

rate of

Quoted message said:

autism and earlier occurrences of Type 1 diabetes could have been

caused by

Quoted message said:

routine childhood vaccines.

Forgoing vaccination boils down to three reasons: Safety, efficacy,
and/or necessity. IME, the majority of non-vaccinators cite the third
reason, and their beliefs/opinions are not predicated upon "herd
immunity"; they're simply, despite the dire warnings of possible
complications/sequelae of a disease, no more afraid of formerly routine
(endemic) diseases than they are of, say, a cold or the flu.

These were philosophical exempters ("...A high percentage of students
from college A are reported to be unvaccinated because of nonmedical
exemptions."😉

The exemptor who got on the plane and proceded to infect two others in
the US is an ass.

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It has taken a while, but the best and largest studies have shown that

not

Quoted message said:

to be the case. Eighteen months ago, a giant study of practically

every

Quoted message said:

child in Denmark found no causative link between autism and the

so-called

Quoted message said:

MMR shot - the triple vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella.

Another

Quoted message said:

big Danish study last week found no link between various childhood

vaccines

Quoted message said:

and Type 1 diabetes.

Guess Ms. Gorman decided to cram as many vaccine/vaccination issues into
her article as possible! <g>

Yep <g>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any

reason - not

Quoted message said:

to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone

around

Quoted message said:

them.

Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE.

Well, it certainly turned out different in this case, didn't it. I
feel sorry for the 21 year old that was exposed because of the
selfishness of the exemptor.

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You might assert that an
individual poses a *potential* danger once he/she is infected, but
vaccinated individuals who've nonetheless contracted a given disease
pose the same danger.

In this case the exemptor went to a country where measles is endemic,
knew that he was exposed, was told NOT to go back to the US and went
anyway. Idiot.

Quoted message said:

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From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

(If you want to read the vaccination opinions views of another Gorman
[Linda; the director of the Independence Institute's Health Care Policy
Center], you can find some at http://i2i.org/author.aspx?AuthorID=7.
The II HCPC's February bulletin had a good article, "Do We Spend Too
Much on Immunizations?" in its February issue;
http://i2i.org/hcpcfeb2004.aspx#1.)

And? Gorman has one article about vaccinations and it pertained to
the database proposal, not the safety or efficacy of vaccines.

The other article is a rambling about how much is spent and still not
everyone is vaccinated in Colorado. Big wup.

The Iowa incident once again demonstrates the stupidity of some folks.
In this caqse its a vaccine exemptor who thinks that divine grace
will keep him well.

Yeh, Sure.

js

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Anti-Vac Arrogance
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 4/6/2004 3:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Roger Schlafly said:

JG said:

> The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any
> reason - not
> to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone
> around them.
Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. ...

The article could have just as well concluded:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason
- to visit Third World countries, they are endangering not just
themselves but everyone around them.

or:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

Could it possibly be the case that Roger is at last getting a clue?

--
Peter Bowditch

Roger isn't the subject. Why is it the *gang* always want to get personal and
put others down??

<snip spam>

Jan

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Subject: Re: Anti-Vac Arrogance
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/6/2004 5:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Anti-Vac Arrogance

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Roger isn't the subject. Why is it the *gang* always want to get personal and
put others down??

<snip spam>

Jan

coming from Jan who calls me squawki...and critisizes my ego...

hmmm...no...the "alties" like Jan NEVERRR put anyone down...

yeah right
hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Anti-Vac Arrogance
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 4/6/04 7:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Indeed. The most arrogant part was that the young man refused to wait to
come back to the U.S. and hence infected at least one person back in
Iowa.

This seems antecdotal at best.

We need an in depth study.

We need a "control person".

'We need an "infected person."

We need then to replicate the prior events to see if we can reproduce the
proposed results.

Odds of this happening is probably over 100 million to one.

We will need to test for the next 100 million years to get to the truth.

DrC PhD

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john said:

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From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

Time! that has to be the main mouthpiece of the cartel, if there ever
was one. Last time I looked at that piece of propaganda it was cover
to cover bin laden and co fearmongering--just another patsy for the
Illuminati fake war on terror http://www.whale.to/b/bin_laden.html

When it comes to fearmongering, John just hates competition for the
whale.to site.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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DRCEEPHD said:

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Subject: Re: Anti-Vac Arrogance
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 4/6/04 7:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Indeed. The most arrogant part was that the young man refused to wait to
come back to the U.S. and hence infected at least one person back in
Iowa.

This seems antecdotal at best.

We need an in depth study.

We need a "control person".

'We need an "infected person."

We need then to replicate the prior events to see if we can reproduce the
proposed results.

Odds of this happening is probably over 100 million to one.

We will need to test for the next 100 million years to get to the truth.

I see Chuck knows as much about mathematics as he does about every
other subject he posts on.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Schlafly said:

JG said:

Quoted message said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any
reason - not
to vaccinate, they are endangering not just themselves but everyone
around them.

Gee, just like when they drive, or ski, or golf, or hunt, or (if a
physician/surgeon) prescibe drugs/operate, or... Being unvaccinated, in
and of itself, poses a danger TO NO ONE. ...

The article could have just as well concluded:

The Iowa incident reminds us that when people decide - for any reason
- to visit Third World countries, they are endangering not just
themselves but everyone around them.

or:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

You don't really believe, that Roger. If you did, you wouldn't write
some of the stupid things you write about the lack of need for
vaccination.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 03:40:52 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Schlafly said:

The Iowa incident reminds us that airplanes from India can be
bringing disease.

You don't really believe, that Roger. If you did, you wouldn't write
some of the stupid things you write about the lack of need for
vaccination.

Oh, he most certainly does believe it. You see, Roger thinks we should
just ban airplanes from India.

PF