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  1. The local TV news station did a bit on a confrontation between cyclists and
    an angry motorist. Guess who won.
    Later they posted a blog where viewers can leave comments and I was
    horrified to see the malevolence directed towards bicyclists. After
    reading many of the comments, I was left with the impression that they would
    drive over their own child if the kid delayed their travel by only one
    second.

    Apparently anger is only directed at bicyclists who delay them only few
    seconds, and not at the dimwit who begins fishing around in her oversized
    purse looking for her out-of-state cheques after the groceries have been
    tallied up, or at the thoughtless clods at the post office, the DMV, the
    buffet line, the telephone etc. Why do they get violently upset upon
    sight of a rider in spandex but think nothing about how they inconvenience
    everyone else when they stand in line at a busy McDonalds, and then, and
    only then, when they are up to the counter do these mouth breathers tilt
    their head up and stare at the menu that hasn't changed in forty years for
    several minutes carefully contemplating before ordering what they have
    ordered countless times in the past?

    Even the folks over at the office are profoundly violent in their thoughts
    towards cyclists who ride on the roads. Many even acknowledge that their
    hatred and thoughts of brutal death towards the rider are irrational and
    disturbing, yet they can't understand why the animosity.

    So while pedalling home from yet another 11 mile commute, I thought "Cure
    the ignorance" and hence here is a start at compiling an answer guide to the
    homicidal cager.

    "Bicyclists don't pay taxes so they shouldn't use the road."

    1. Most adult bicyclists own one or more licensed and registered motor
    vehicles. There is no discount if the car or motorcycle is parked in the
    garage all year, or driven on the public roads continuously. If anything,
    all other things considered equal, the car parked in the garage gets less
    value out of his fees and taxes than the car being driven on the roads
    daily. This is a case where the cyclist pays a higher tax per mile than the
    motorist.

    2. Taxes, inspections and fees aren't the only subsidy that cyclists give to
    the motorist, the car that is garaged is probably also insured and much less
    likely to be involved in a collision or a claim event. Each day the
    motorist drives his car, his risk of filing a claim increases relative to
    the parked car. In other words, the commuter cyclist makes an excellent
    risk to the insurance underwriter and his premiums can be used to subsidize
    the cost of carrying the daily driver.

    3. On the topic of insurance, over fourteen percent of motor vehicles on the
    road today are uninsured. In states like California the number is
    twenty-six percent and Colorado boasts over one third of its motorists don't
    bother having insurance. Quick, which one will cost you more? A commuter
    rear-ending your car with his mountain bike or getting slammed head-on by an
    uninsured drunk illegal alien operating a 1975 Ford F-350?

    4. Ask yourself why major metropolitan areas have higher prices for fuel.
    In part its because of gasoline reformulation. Those boutique fuels come
    courtesy of the environmentalists. These fuels have less energy and cost
    more than regular "rural" gasoline. Also as the number of motor vehicles
    increases, local governments like to impose expensive and time consuming
    emission tests. If cyclists quit their commuting or changed their
    recreation to something that required driving somewhere, that threshold
    might just be reached sooner and all kinds of new costs and hassles will be
    added to everyone in the county.

    5. Who trashes out the roads more requiring more maintenance and clean-up?
    The 200 pound cyclist and equipment, or the two ton oil dripping pickup
    truck filled with day laborers tossing trash as they pull their dirt, rock
    and building material spewing trailer down the road? Who pays for the
    disposal of the tires, oil, and eventually the worn out car?

    ---
    "Your garaged car and your bicycle aren't paying gasoline taxes."

    1. What an interesting argument. Based on that reasoning drivers operating
    hybrids, electric cars and other high mileage vehicles are thieving [censored]
    too. All hail the Hummer, Dodge Viper and the extended length three axle
    RVs as they rack up eight mile per gallon performances that pay more for
    mile than the wind-up cars. Perhaps, since they pay many times more in
    taxes per mile of road used, they should have a dedicated lane in their
    honor. Government should even discourage the rich from driving fuel
    efficient cars so that they will be forced to pay their much higher "fair
    share" . Rich people, in order to promote social conscience should be
    obligated to drive around in extended length limosines.

    2. As a corollary, whatever argument one makes to give the electric-car a
    pass can also be applied in spades to the bicyclist because the two wheeled
    commuter doesn't put a strain on the electrical grid. In other words, the
    bicycle isn't going to be a cause for brownouts. Now there is an
    inconvenience.

    ---
    "No matter who pays taxes, road taxes are to benefit automobiles"

    1. If we are going to be all of a sudden concerned that taxes will be spent
    so that a cyclist can commute, or heaven forbid, enjoy a healthy
    recreational ride, then I would like to register my own personal fiscal belt
    tightening. Lets close museums, libraries, public skating rinks, parks,
    public baseball and soccer fields, river walks, hiking trails and any other
    tax payer funded recreational site. If you are going to be homicidal
    because I occupy a traffic lane with my bicycle, what kind of hypocrite must
    one be to ignore the thousands upon thousands of cars crowding the roadway
    so that they can drive to these recreational venues? Or is it OK to be
    delayed several minutes by the masses driving to their yoga class, pizza
    buffet or their child's piano lesson?

    ---
    "The roads are for cars, use the bike lanes, sidewalks and jogging trails."

    1. Most laws prohibit bicyclists from using the sidewalks. Which is usually
    a good idea since the sidewalks are for walking and bicyclists often travel
    over twenty miles per hour which makes the cyclist more dangerous to
    pedestrians and their pets than motorists are to cyclists when the cyclist
    is in the street.

    2. Jogging trails are nice - for jogging. They are also nice for walking
    pets, pushing strollers and for rollerblading. Jogging trails often are
    used by recreational cyclists but the nature of jogging trails makes them
    impractical for the commuter. Besides, weren't we complaining about taxes
    being spent on cyclists when they should be spent on roads? Who
    underwrites those out-of-the-way bicycle paths?

    3. The law recognizes that bicyclists are entitled to enjoy the use of most
    public roadways. If you hate bicyclists that much, there is always toll
    roads and the interstate highway that you can claim all for yourself.

    4. As for dedicated bicycle lanes? I usually love them, so do people who
    like to park their cars in front of their homes. Bicycle lanes also act as
    magnets for broken glass, sharp metallic building materials and roadkill.
    After the winter season, it takes an unusual amount of rain to remove the
    thick layer of tire shredding sand that was used to be on the ice covered
    roadway. Oblivious joggers engrossed in their iPods also enjoy bike lanes
    too.

    ---
    "Bicyclists inconvenience me."

    1. You are driving your SUV loaded with screaming kids to the local hair
    salon on a busy street with only street parking. You will have to park
    blocks away if there are no parking spots open in front of the shop. To
    your delight you see an available parking space right near the front door.
    What you probably didn't see, and most likely will never thank, is the
    bicyclist inside who left the car at home rather than drive downtown to
    occupy that space you just took.

    2. Under most circumstances, the waiting to pass a bicyclist will take only
    eight seconds out of your long life. During that eight seconds when rage
    and thoughts of cold blooded murder fill your mind, take a few seconds to
    ask yourself what kind of Jack Bauer torture was intended for the oblivious
    cell phone phalker who slept through the traffic light causing everyone
    behind her to wait another ninety seconds for the next light change. Then
    ask yourself, if time is so important why you didn't TiVo American Idol
    rather than risk turning on the program eight seconds after it started.

    3. Lets say that you just discovered that the driver who caused you to sit
    through another cycle of the traffic lights was on the way to the gym to
    ride the stationary bicycle. Do you want to compare those precious eight
    seconds the road cyclist "stole" to that mildly irritating ninety seconds?

    4. Do you prefer to be dealing with the seventy or more cars parked outside
    and around the elementary school twice a day, or would your commute be
    faster if those same kids walked or rode their bicycle to school instead of
    being chauffeured?

    5. The delay on your life slowing down to traverse a reduced speed school
    zone is much greater than waiting to pass the commuting bicyclist. Do you
    wish to jump the curb and mow down the children trudging off to school with
    the same zeal and fury you reserve for the commuting cyclist?

    6. How inconvenienced are you when you watch the commuting bicyclist ride
    over the horizon while you sit in gridlocked afternoon rush hour traffic?
    It will take me thirty-five minutes to bicycle to the office, and twenty
    minutes by motorcycle in pre dawn "traffic". If I were to ride home during
    rush hour, that same trip is rarely more than forty minutes on the bicycle
    and at least fifty minutes in the car - and I just had well over an hour of
    aerobic exercise.

    ---
    "Bicyclists are dangerous! They ignore traffic laws"

    1. As pointed out earlier, most bicyclists also have a driver's license
    which means that they have achieved at least the below average skill needed
    to qualify for that laminated card. Furthermore, to say that most/all
    bicyclists ignore the laws one must also posit that there is something
    peculiar and mystical about a bicycle that causes the average "law abiding"
    motorist to abandon all they know and care about and ride in a dangerous
    manner as to taunt death the moment their feet are clipped to the pedals. I'm
    thinking that in the quest to find a head to put the goat horns on, one
    rationalizes that all bicyclists are members of the brain damaged neo
    luddite Critical Mass cabal.

    2. While we are pondering the dangerous bicyclist, we must also say that he
    is also suicidal because any confrontation with a motor vehicle is a loss,
    even a loss of life for the cyclist while the cager just shrugs his
    shoulders, wipes the blood off the grill, unwraps the bicycle from the axle
    and gets home before dinner gets cold.

    3. But if bicyclists are so dangerous and lawless in comparison to the
    motorist, why are the municipal traffic courts clogged and whole branches of
    government are organized just to raise ad hoc taxes on motor vehicle code
    violation? Are the red light cameras and radar traps for bicyclists or
    for motorists?

    4. Poor health is more dangerous than rolling a stop sign at an empty
    suburban intersection. Fat people don't ride bicycles for long. They
    either can't take the abuse on their bodies and quit, or they are
    transformed by their new passion to be thinner and healthier. I don't see
    cyclists chain smoking on their commutes, farding, or stuffing their faces
    with the latest triple bacon cheese GluttonFest hamburger. Some of the best
    looking and healthy men and women are bicyclists.

    ---
    "I hate it when they ride in packs, three across, taking up the whole lane"

    1. In many jurisdictions it's a code violation to squeeze a bicyclist out of
    his lane. The police often advise bicyclists to utilize the law that
    permits them to occupy the entire lane if they so desire. That dozen or so
    bikes you see, whether they are single file, or riding stripe to stripe are
    entitled to that lane. Get over it.

    2. While you are delayed that eight seconds before you can pass, ask
    yourself if the cyclists weren't cyclists but was a cop driving ten under
    the posted speed limit scanning the neighborhood, would you like to shoot
    the cop or run him off the road as much as you delight in "teaching a
    lesson" to the cyclists? Same delay, same use of lane. I dare you to
    pass the police officer.

    3. Have you considered that when there are that many bicyclists riding
    together in a pack that it probably wasn't an accident but instead it is a
    club ride? And once you discover that it is likely an organized club ride,
    they might even have a schedule? And as a scheduled club ride they might
    be on the same road at the same time of day next week? Is there really
    only one route and one time you can drive home or to wherever you must get
    to?

    4. Are you going to fire bomb the church down the street when they delay
    your travel during the scheduled weekly service changes? Are you going to
    unload an AK47 at the school bus that occupies an entire lane and delays
    your travel much more than a bicyclist ever would?

    ---
    "When cyclists ride the curb up to the front of the queue at the light, I
    sometimes have to pass them several times"

    1. This should be a clue to you that maybe the cyclist isn't really robbing
    you of your five to fifteen seconds of life that you can't afford to lose.
    If you have to keep passing the same cyclist, it might just be that he is
    not delaying or inconveniencing you at all. In fact, it might just be the
    other way around.

  2. Reuben Hick said:

    Apparently anger is only directed at bicyclists who delay them only few
    seconds, and not at the dimwit who begins fishing around in her
    oversized purse looking for her out-of-state cheques after the groceries
    have been tallied up, or at the thoughtless clods at the post office,
    the DMV, the buffet line, the telephone etc. Why do they get
    violently upset upon sight of a rider in spandex but think nothing about
    how they inconvenience everyone else when they stand in line at a busy
    McDonalds, and then, and only then, when they are up to the counter do
    these mouth breathers tilt their head up and stare at the menu that
    hasn't changed in forty years for several minutes carefully
    contemplating before ordering what they have ordered countless times in
    the past?

    Umm, sorry, but you are exhibiting exactly what they did. It's not that
    they only get irate about cyclists. Suggest any topic, and people will
    come out of the woodwork to rant about it. You just did that with your
    favorites. They just had different favorites. Your contrast between
    "bicyclists" doing one thing and "dimwits" and "mouth breathers" another
    shows exactly the same quick anger as those who would run over their
    children were the little darlings to get in the way.

    Quoted message said:

    "No matter who pays taxes, road taxes are to benefit automobiles"


    Well, here you have a point. Roads, and road taxes, are not just for
    automobiles. They are for the public use, and those who would pilot a
    dangerous, noxious vehicle on the public roads need a special permit to
    do so. Those of us who walk or ride on the roads, or ride horses or
    ox-drawn carts, have the right to use them.

    There are exceptions, of course, on both sides. Limited-access
    highways, by their very name, suggest that some users are kept off those
    roads. Fine. Those who don't want their roads cluttered by the public
    should go there. Bike paths serve the same function, and have similar
    limitations, in that they are not everywhere, and they do not go everywhere.

    Quoted message said:

    "Bicyclists are dangerous! They ignore traffic laws"

    1. As pointed out earlier, most bicyclists also have a driver's license
    which means that they have achieved at least the below average skill
    needed to qualify for that laminated card.

    So? So have most drivers. But your rhetorical point has a basis in
    fact. Too damn many cyclists ignore the laws, and think themselves
    abused should a driver repay them in kind. You want drivers to respect
    cyclists' rights to the road? Then we cyclists have to do the same for
    them. I have seen far too many experienced cyclists who on the one hand
    refuse to stop at a stoplight, much less a mere sign, and on the other
    scream at a driver for passing them too closely. You can't have it both
    ways, and we shouldn't try to.

    Quoted message said:

    1. In many jurisdictions it's a code violation to squeeze a bicyclist
    out of his lane. The police often advise bicyclists to utilize the law
    that permits them to occupy the entire lane if they so desire.

    In many states riding more than two abreast is OK only if it does not
    impede other traffic. This is not an onerous anti-cycling law, it is
    common courtesy.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
    little statesmen and philosophers and divines." --Ralph Waldo Emerson

  3. Reuben Hick said:


    I have noticed that if I begin my ride an hour before sunrise, people will
    go out of their way to accomodate me. In contrast, one hour before sunset
    on the very same route, and I think I am in a Mad Max movie. It can't all
    be demographics.

    It does seem to me that people are less aggresive in the morning. Not
    necessarily any better at driving, but less aggressive. I don't think
    I've ever gotten a honk during the morning commute. I've gotten plenty
    of those and other things in the afternoons.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    "Visitors are expected to complain at the office between
    the hours of 9 and 11 A.M. daily."
    -In a Hotel in Athens

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Reuben Hick said:

    Even the folks over at the office are profoundly violent in their thoughts
    towards cyclists who ride on the roads. Many even acknowledge that their
    hatred and thoughts of brutal death towards the rider are irrational and
    disturbing, yet they can't understand why the animosity.

    It's not so much just behind stuck behind a cyclist --
    it's having nothing to look at except that lycra-clad
    ass up ahead, practically mooning them. When it finally
    sinks in that they've been gawking at some guy's ass for
    an inordinately long time, that's when they yell: "[censored]!"

    Quoted message said:

    So while pedalling home from yet another 11 mile commute, I thought "Cure
    the ignorance" and hence here is a start at compiling an answer guide to the
    homicidal cager.

    While you're at it, you can convince them of their
    contributions to Climate Change.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  5. On May 14, 9:33 pm, "Reuben Hick" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    I would add the use of the example of "horse-drawn carriages" aka
    buggies.
    There are parts of PA (e.g. the BikePa South Route around New Holland)
    where one may see more buggies than cars. Motorists in those areas are
    used to seeing such relatively slow-moving vehicles and manage to deal
    with them (mostly) without rage.

    -bdbafh

  6. ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.bicycles.misc.]

    Dane Buson said:
    Reuben Hick said:


    I have noticed that if I begin my ride an hour before sunrise, people will
    go out of their way to accomodate me. In contrast, one hour before sunset
    on the very same route, and I think I am in a Mad Max movie. It can't all
    be demographics.

    It does seem to me that people are less aggresive in the morning. Not
    necessarily any better at driving, but less aggressive. I don't think
    I've ever gotten a honk during the morning commute. I've gotten plenty
    of those and other things in the afternoons.

    I've gotten one honk in the morning, by a guy in a hurry to make his train
    (he had a good 10 minutes to spare, and this was 2 blocks from the train
    station), and one at night (guy was in a huge hurry to get to god-knows-
    where, and no one was going to slow him down). That's it, actually, in
    3 seasons of heavy-duty riding now.

    I get the harrassment beep, inevitably from a car going in the opposite
    direction, or a faull 1-2 lanes over from me in the same direction. That's
    a different sort of "confrontation", designed to get a rise out of me.
    I'm slowly learning to resist them, and suppress my middle-finger reflex.

    --

    __o Kristian Zoerhoff
    _'\(,_ [email hidden]
    (_)/ (_)

  7. Reuben Hick said:

    The local TV news station did a bit on a confrontation between cyclists and
    an angry motorist. Guess who won.
    Later they posted a blog where viewers can leave comments and I was
    horrified to see the malevolence directed towards bicyclists. After
    reading many of the comments, I was left with the impression that they would
    drive over their own child if the kid delayed their travel by only one
    second.

    Apparently anger is only directed at bicyclists who delay them only few
    seconds, and not at the dimwit who begins fishing around in her oversized
    purse looking for her out-of-state cheques after the groceries have been
    tallied up, or at the thoughtless clods at the post office, the DMV, the
    buffet line, the telephone etc. Why do they get violently upset upon
    sight of a rider in spandex but think nothing about how they inconvenience
    everyone else when they stand in line at a busy McDonalds, and then, and
    only then, when they are up to the counter do these mouth breathers tilt
    their head up and stare at the menu that hasn't changed in forty years for
    several minutes carefully contemplating before ordering what they have
    ordered countless times in the past?

    Even the folks over at the office are profoundly violent in their thoughts
    towards cyclists who ride on the roads. Many even acknowledge that their
    hatred and thoughts of brutal death towards the rider are irrational and
    disturbing, yet they can't understand why the animosity.

    So while pedalling home from yet another 11 mile commute, I thought "Cure
    the ignorance" and hence here is a start at compiling an answer guide to the
    homicidal cager.

    "Bicyclists don't pay taxes so they shouldn't use the road."

    1. Most adult bicyclists own one or more licensed and registered motor
    vehicles. There is no discount if the car or motorcycle is parked in the
    garage all year, or driven on the public roads continuously. If anything,
    all other things considered equal, the car parked in the garage gets less
    value out of his fees and taxes than the car being driven on the roads
    daily. This is a case where the cyclist pays a higher tax per mile than the
    motorist.

    2. Taxes, inspections and fees aren't the only subsidy that cyclists giveto
    the motorist, the car that is garaged is probably also insured and much less
    likely to be involved in a collision or a claim event. Each day the
    motorist drives his car, his risk of filing a claim increases relative to
    the parked car. In other words, the commuter cyclist makes an excellent
    risk to the insurance underwriter and his premiums can be used to subsidize
    the cost of carrying the daily driver.

    3. On the topic of insurance, over fourteen percent of motor vehicles on the
    road today are uninsured. In states like California the number is
    twenty-six percent and Colorado boasts over one third of its motorists don't
    bother having insurance. Quick, which one will cost you more? A commuter
    rear-ending your car with his mountain bike or getting slammed head-on byan
    uninsured drunk illegal alien operating a 1975 Ford F-350?

    4. Ask yourself why major metropolitan areas have higher prices for fuel.
    In part its because of gasoline reformulation. Those boutique fuels come
    courtesy of the environmentalists. These fuels have less energy and cost
    more than regular "rural" gasoline. Also as the number of motor vehicles
    increases, local governments like to impose expensive and time consuming
    emission tests. If cyclists quit their commuting or changed their
    recreation to something that required driving somewhere, that threshold
    might just be reached sooner and all kinds of new costs and hassles will be
    added to everyone in the county.

    5. Who trashes out the roads more requiring more maintenance and clean-up?
    The 200 pound cyclist and equipment, or the two ton oil dripping pickup
    truck filled with day laborers tossing trash as they pull their dirt, rock
    and building material spewing trailer down the road? Who pays for the
    disposal of the tires, oil, and eventually the worn out car?

    ---
    "Your garaged car and your bicycle aren't paying gasoline taxes."

    1. What an interesting argument. Based on that reasoning drivers operating
    hybrids, electric cars and other high mileage vehicles are thieving [censored]
    too. All hail the Hummer, Dodge Viper and the extended length three axle
    RVs as they rack up eight mile per gallon performances that pay more for
    mile than the wind-up cars. Perhaps, since they pay many times more in
    taxes per mile of road used, they should have a dedicated lane in their
    honor. Government should even discourage the rich from driving fuel
    efficient cars so that they will be forced to pay their much higher "fair
    share" . Rich people, in order to promote social conscience should be
    obligated to drive around in extended length limosines.

    2. As a corollary, whatever argument one makes to give the electric-car a
    pass can also be applied in spades to the bicyclist because the two wheeled
    commuter doesn't put a strain on the electrical grid. In other words, the
    bicycle isn't going to be a cause for brownouts. Now there is an
    inconvenience.

    ---
    "No matter who pays taxes, road taxes are to benefit automobiles"

    1. If we are going to be all of a sudden concerned that taxes will be spent
    so that a cyclist can commute, or heaven forbid, enjoy a healthy
    recreational ride, then I would like to register my own personal fiscal belt
    tightening. Lets close museums, libraries, public skating rinks, parks,
    public baseball and soccer fields, river walks, hiking trails and any other
    tax payer funded recreational site. If you are going to be homicidal
    because I occupy a traffic lane with my bicycle, what kind of hypocrite must
    one be to ignore the thousands upon thousands of cars crowding the roadway
    so that they can drive to these recreational venues? Or is it OK to be
    delayed several minutes by the masses driving to their yoga class, pizza
    buffet or their child's piano lesson?

    ---
    "The roads are for cars, use the bike lanes, sidewalks and jogging trails.."

    1. Most laws prohibit bicyclists from using the sidewalks. Which is usually
    a good idea since the sidewalks are for walking and bicyclists often travel
    over twenty miles per hour which makes the cyclist more dangerous to
    pedestrians and their pets than motorists are to cyclists when the cyclist
    is in the street.

    2. Jogging trails are nice - for jogging. They are also nice for walking
    pets, pushing strollers and for rollerblading. Jogging trails often are
    used by recreational cyclists but the nature of jogging trails makes them
    impractical for the commuter. Besides, weren't we complaining about taxes
    being spent on cyclists when they should be spent on roads? Who
    underwrites those out-of-the-way bicycle paths?

    3. The law recognizes that bicyclists are entitled to enjoy the use of most
    public roadways. If you hate bicyclists that much, there is always toll
    roads and the interstate highway that you can claim all for yourself.

    4. As for dedicated bicycle lanes? I usually love them, so do people who
    like to park their cars in front of their homes. Bicycle lanes also act as
    magnets for broken glass, sharp metallic building materials and roadkill.
    After the winter season, it takes an unusual amount of rain to remove the
    thick layer of tire shredding sand that was used to be on the ice covered
    roadway. Oblivious joggers engrossed in their iPods also enjoy bike lanes
    too.

    ---
    "Bicyclists inconvenience me."

    1. You are driving your SUV loaded with screaming kids to the local hair
    salon on a busy street with only street parking. You will have to park
    blocks away if there are no parking spots open in front of the shop. To
    your delight you see an available parking space right near the front door.
    What you probably didn't see, and most likely will never thank, is the
    bicyclist inside who left the car at home rather than drive downtown to
    occupy that space you just took.

    2. Under most circumstances, the waiting to pass a bicyclist will take only
    eight seconds out of your long life. During that eight seconds when rage
    and thoughts of cold blooded murder fill your mind, take a few seconds to
    ask yourself what kind of Jack Bauer torture was intended for the oblivious
    cell phone phalker who slept through the traffic light causing everyone
    behind her to wait another ninety seconds for the next light change. Then
    ask yourself, if time is so important why you didn't TiVo American Idol
    rather than risk turning on the program eight seconds after it started.

    3. Lets say that you just discovered that the driver who caused you to sit
    through another cycle of the traffic lights was on the way to the gym to
    ride the stationary bicycle. Do you want to compare those precious eight
    seconds the road cyclist "stole" to that mildly irritating ninety seconds?

    4. Do you prefer to be dealing with the seventy or more cars parked outside
    and around the elementary school twice a day, or would your commute be
    faster if those same kids walked or rode their bicycle to school instead of
    being chauffeured?

    5. The delay on your life slowing down to traverse a reduced speed school
    zone is much greater than waiting to pass the commuting bicyclist. Do you
    wish to jump the curb and mow down the children trudging off to school with
    the same zeal and fury you reserve for the commuting cyclist?

    6. How inconvenienced are you when you watch the commuting bicyclist ride
    over the horizon while you sit in gridlocked afternoon rush hour traffic?
    It will take me thirty-five minutes to bicycle to the office, and twenty
    minutes by motorcycle in pre dawn "traffic". If I were to ride home during
    rush hour, that same trip is rarely more than forty minutes on the bicycle
    and at least fifty minutes in the car - and I just had well over an hourof
    aerobic exercise.

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    Here's a tip on an argument I've used a number of times when trying to
    talk calmly with a motorist who's nearly hit me, tried to hit me,
    screams at me, or whatever. When the argument shifts to a discussion
    of any of the points you mention, which they almost always do, try
    this: Tell the driver that even if you concede every point the guy
    makes, not that you are, but IF, then ask them if the appropriate
    penalty for violating their rule that you shouldn't be on the road is
    death? Be nice about it, but ask 'em if they really think you should
    die.

    When you get the puzzled look that invariably follows, explain that if
    they hit you, it will likely kill you. Ask 'em again if they really
    think that whatever they're upset about is worth killing you over?

    With only one exception, I've had everyone I've used this approach
    with come to the realization that trying to cause a crash or trying to
    hit you is a really stupid idea. Most have apologized. The one guy
    who told me that if I didn't like it, tough... well, unfortunately he
    drove away before we could "discuss" it further.

  8. On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:58:51 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:

    It's not so much just behind stuck behind a cyclist --
    it's having nothing to look at except that lycra-clad
    ass up ahead, practically mooning them. When it finally
    sinks in that they've been gawking at some guy's ass for
    an inordinately long time, that's when they yell: "[censored]!"

    Funny.

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  9. I tend to get pretty annoyed when someone almost kills me!

    People in cars get "Inconvenienced"!!
    WE get an "All expense paid" trip to the hospital! And even THAT does not
    always happen!

    When someone does come close to taking me down AND I can communicate with
    them either then or at the next light....

    I make sure that they will remember this incident in the future! I want this
    to go through their head next time they are in this situation. If by
    drilling this in their head they add cyclists to the list of items they look
    for while driving my work is done....

    I am very aware and have not been hit for about 20 years! But I do have
    close calls every week. People just do not understand it can be a
    life-or-death commute if you are not aware on your bike and bring your A
    game on every trip through the rush hour & Starbucks zone...........

  10. ST said:

    I am very aware and have not been hit for about 20 years! But I do have
    close calls every week. People just do not understand it can be a
    life-or-death commute if you are not aware on your bike and bring your A
    game on every trip through the rush hour & Starbucks zone...........

    Many posters here commute in many different environments yet don't
    speak of their commutes as being life and death struggles. If you have
    "close calls" every week you're doing something wrong.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

  11. Bob said:
    ST said:

    I am very aware and have not been hit for about 20 years! But I do have
    close calls every week. People just do not understand it can be a
    life-or-death commute if you are not aware on your bike and bring your A
    game on every trip through the rush hour & Starbucks zone...........

    Many posters here commute in many different environments yet don't
    speak of their commutes as being life and death struggles. If you have
    "close calls" every week you're doing something wrong.

    Well, in RBTech some people take cycling very very seriously -- for
    example if you ride around with less than 36 spokes on each wheel you
    risk being stranded out there!!!!
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  12. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Bob said:

    On May 15, 10:25 pm, ST <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Many posters here commute in many different environments yet don't
    speak of their commutes as being life and death struggles. If you have
    "close calls" every week you're doing something wrong.

    Well, in RBTech some people take cycling very very seriously -- for
    example if you ride around with less than 36 spokes on each wheel you
    risk being stranded out there!!!!

    Well, the 32 spokes on my front has caused me many sleepless nights. I
    didn't feel like spending an extra $150 on the Schmidt dynohub, so I
    built it with the Shimano (which only came in 32).

    I really should take off the tire [1] and check how much braking track I
    have left.

    [1] Which I haven't done since I put it on.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    Hire the morally handicapped.

  13. John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    Well, in RBTech some people take cycling very very seriously -- for
    example if you ride around with less than 36 spokes on each wheel you
    risk being stranded out there!!!!
    --
    JT

    I assume you mean spares. Riding around with less than 36 spare
    spokes, and you really risk being stranded.

    I'd also have a spare pedal, but I don't know whether to go with a
    left or a right.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  14. On 5/16/07 9:12 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Bob"

    Quoted message said:
    ST said:

    I am very aware and have not been hit for about 20 years! But I do have
    close calls every week. People just do not understand it can be a
    life-or-death commute if you are not aware on your bike and bring your A
    game on every trip through the rush hour & Starbucks zone...........

    Many posters here commute in many different environments yet don't
    speak of their commutes as being life and death struggles. If you have
    "close calls" every week you're doing something wrong.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

    Do you have crosses/memorials on the side of the road on your commute??

    I do.......

    Have you seen a dead cyclist, still uncovered, with a police officer asking
    you when you stop if you knew him? Along your route?

    I did.......

    Did you see a motorcyclist down after being hit by a car in the last week
    along your route??

    I did...

  15. ST said:

    On 5/16/07 9:12 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Bob"

    Quoted message said:
    ST said:

    I am very aware and have not been hit for about 20 years! But I do have
    close calls every week. People just do not understand it can be a
    life-or-death commute if you are not aware on your bike and bring your A
    game on every trip through the rush hour & Starbucks zone...........

    Many posters here commute in many different environments yet don't
    speak of their commutes as being life and death struggles. If you have
    "close calls" every week you're doing something wrong.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

    Do you have crosses/memorials on the side of the road on your commute??

    I do.......

    Have you seen a dead cyclist, still uncovered, with a police officer asking
    you when you stop if you knew him? Along your route?

    I did.......

    Did you see a motorcyclist down after being hit by a car in the last week
    along your route??

    I did...

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