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  1. In the Lakes a couple of weekends ago I saw what looked to me like a
    new Anquet product set up on a computer at The Climbers' Shop in
    Ambleside. It must have been set to amble round a pre-set walk, and it
    was showing a virtual landscape. It was nothing like the virtual
    landscape on my Harvey 1:25k, though - it was far more realistic.

    There wasn't an assistant right there so I asked about it down in the
    shoe department, and teh bloke I spoke to thought it was simply the
    new virtual landscape on one of the 1:25k maps. Having just looked at
    the Anquet site, though, I think it must have been one of the new
    photomap products. What sticks in my mind is having seen a tarn that
    actually looked like a tarn rather than just a blue bit coloured in on
    the map.

    Has anyone seen the new photomaps? Does what I've described sound like
    them? Unfortunately, I can't find a decent picture, or demo, on the
    Anquet site: perhaps I've looked in the wrong place?

    http://www.anquet.co.uk/products.asp

    Also, can anyone tell me what the new photomap packages actually
    include? (See product page above.) On that page there's still a 1:50k
    Northern England for £39.95, but there's also a photomap Northern
    England, also at £39.95. Does the photomap not also have the maps,
    then? i.e. is it not possible to have a split screen, half with
    virtual landscape and half with map?

    Please help if possible - I'm v. confused...

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \

  2. On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:27:35 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    I rang Anquet to enquire about this. It seems that the photo map
    products simply contain the photo's, and not also a map. Having said
    that, it still sounds like good value to me for the price, bearing in
    mind the quality of the image I saw in the Lakes last week. I'll be
    adding it to my Christmas prezzy wish list, I think 🙂

    Also, I noticed when browsing the Anquet site last night how
    impressive the ordinary virtual landscape looks at 200% zoom. I'd not
    really got to grips with the virtual landscape before, but once I'd
    realised what it could do I spent a happy hour or so flying round the
    Lakes. Lots of fun!

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \

  3. "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:27:35 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    I rang Anquet to enquire about this. It seems that the photo map
    products simply contain the photo's, and not also a map. Having said
    that, it still sounds like good value to me for the price, bearing in
    mind the quality of the image I saw in the Lakes last week. I'll be
    adding it to my Christmas prezzy wish list, I think 🙂

    Also, I noticed when browsing the Anquet site last night how
    impressive the ordinary virtual landscape looks at 200% zoom. I'd not
    really got to grips with the virtual landscape before, but once I'd
    realised what it could do I spent a happy hour or so flying round the
    Lakes. Lots of fun!

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \


    I downloaded their trial version of the photo mapping onto my regular Anquet
    package. It looks great and is a lot of fun. You can fly about in it just
    like in virtual landscape. You half expect to see people waving at you from
    the summits. Beyond this fun value though I'm not convinced of it's
    practical value but if you have some dosh burning a hole in your pocket then
    what the hell, you only live once.

  4. "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:27:35 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    I rang Anquet to enquire about this. It seems that the photo map
    products simply contain the photo's, and not also a map. Having said
    that, it still sounds like good value to me for the price, bearing in
    mind the quality of the image I saw in the Lakes last week. I'll be
    adding it to my Christmas prezzy wish list, I think 🙂

    Also, I noticed when browsing the Anquet site last night how
    impressive the ordinary virtual landscape looks at 200% zoom. I'd not
    really got to grips with the virtual landscape before, but once I'd
    realised what it could do I spent a happy hour or so flying round the
    Lakes. Lots of fun!

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \


    I downloaded their trial version of the photo mapping onto my regular Anquet
    package. It looks great and is a lot of fun. You can fly about in it just
    like in virtual landscape. You half expect to see people waving at you from
    the summits. Beyond this fun value though I'm not convinced of it's
    practical value but if you have some dosh burning a hole in your pocket then
    what the hell, you only live once.

  5. bob watkinson said:

    I downloaded their trial version of the photo mapping onto my regular Anquet
    package. It looks great and is a lot of fun. You can fly about in it just
    like in virtual landscape. You half expect to see people waving at you from
    the summits. Beyond this fun value though I'm not convinced of it's
    practical value but if you have some dosh burning a hole in your pocket then
    what the hell, you only live once.


    In fact, I've just d/loaded the same thing, and I don't think it's
    what I saw in the shop. What I saw looked like a cross between a photo
    and virtual landscape. I can't work it out. Perhaps it was a different
    product, although the display said Anquet. The shop sells Memory Map
    as well.

    Hmmm...

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \

  6. Quoted message said:

    Also, I noticed when browsing the Anquet site last night how
    impressive the ordinary virtual landscape looks at 200% zoom. I'd not
    really got to grips with the virtual landscape before, but once I'd
    realised what it could do I spent a happy hour or so flying round the
    Lakes. Lots of fun!

    I always print my maps at 200% zoom ......... and run the virtual landscape
    at the same setting. It was only in August while in Snowdonia with friends
    that I was shown the split-screen function while walking a route. Been
    having great fun just creating routes and following the 'virtual route'.

    --
    sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
    brings the same excitement'

  7. Peewiglet said:

    In the Lakes a couple of weekends ago I saw what looked to me like a
    new Anquet product

    Oh wake up PW! I was talking about these a while back! :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I think it must have been one of the new
    photomap products.

    Yep.

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone seen the new photomaps? Does what I've described sound like
    them? Unfortunately, I can't find a decent picture, or demo, on the
    Anquet site: perhaps I've looked in the wrong place?

    There is a demo of part of the Lakes for those who already own Anquet.
    I can email you a couple of screengrabs if you like.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, can anyone tell me what the new photomap packages actually
    include?

    Photo maps. i.e. aerial photographs.

    Quoted message said:

    (See product page above.) On that page there's still a 1:50k
    Northern England for £39.95, but there's also a photomap Northern
    England, also at £39.95. Does the photomap not also have the maps,
    then?

    No, it has photos, with some text overlaid on major features to give you
    an idea of what you're looking at.

    Quoted message said:

    i.e. is it not possible to have a split screen, half with
    virtual landscape and half with map?

    Yes, but only the same map, i.e. the photo map, you can't look at half
    photo, half normal map.

    Not to worry though, if you already have the normal mapping of the area,
    you can draw a route onto it, then switch to the photomap and look at it
    in 3D.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  8. bob watkinson said:

    Beyond this fun value though I'm not
    convinced of it's practical value

    Aaargghhh!!! Not another one!!! Of course it has practical value! Use
    your imagination! :-)

    Firstly, being able to visualise the terrain in 3D is very helpful for
    route planning, especially if you want to avoid excessively steep slopes
    or to minimise unnecessary re-ascent. Most people aren't all that good
    at visualising contours, so the 3D view is particularly useful in that
    respect.

    Secondly, photo maps provide a lot of information that real maps don't.
    The colour of the vegetations can be a good clue, for example heathery
    and boggy areas, which are not at all obvious on normal maps.

    Forestry is another good one. This does depend on how old the photos
    are, but I think may well be more recent than many maps. They can show
    areas of forestry which have been cut (not shown on normal maps) and
    newly planted areas that haven't made it onto the maps yet. In one
    particular location I've been looking closely at I've found a lovely
    grassy clearing in a forest which makes a great camp site. I know it's
    there because I've been there, and the photo map shows it, but it's not
    shown on any of the normal maps.

    Another particularly useful feature is footpaths, the representation of
    which is often bad on real maps. Just because a footpath is shown on a
    map gives no idea of how often it's used. Sometimes a footpath has
    disappeared into the undergrowth and no longer actually exists, whilst
    newer paths are sometimes not shown. Paths are not always obvious on
    photos maps, sometimes they are invisible, but other times they are
    extremely visible. I've seen well worn scars that indicate popular
    paths that you wouldn't be able to tell from map alone, and other paths
    and rights of way that no longer seem to exist. In one forest pic I've
    studied I can see deep cuttings in the forest that indicate the well
    used paths and tracks, whilst others seem to no longer exist.

    Seriously, if you're planning a walk in an unfamiliar area, a study of
    the photo map can give a good idea of the best paths to use.

    Thirdly, my personal favourite, photo planning! By placing the camera
    at ground level (or just above) you can move around the landscape and
    find the best viewpoints - you can also adjust the lighting to give a
    rough idea of what it may look like at sunrise or sunset (checking how
    the shadows fall). These viewpoints can then be marked with waypoints
    for future visits. This can save a huge amount of unnecessary legwork
    and trial and error in finding good views to photograph. Although you
    can do the same thing with the ordinary 3D mapping, the photo mapping
    gives a much better impression of what it will actually look like, with
    respect to vegetation and the colours of the land.

    Oh, and it's fun too! If you draw your route (or download it from your
    GPS) you can place the camera at ground level, use the "walk route"
    option and pre-live or re-live your walk. It gives a surprisingly good
    virtual representation of the real experience, but without the
    tiredness, the aching joints, the cold, the wind, the rain. In fact,
    you're better of staying at home and doing virtual walks on the computer
    instead!

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet

    URL: said:
    bob watkinson said:

    I downloaded their trial version of the photo mapping onto my
    regular Anquet package. It looks great and is a lot of fun. You can
    fly about in it just like in virtual landscape. You half expect to
    see people waving at you from the summits. Beyond this fun value
    though I'm not convinced of it's practical value but if you have
    some dosh burning a hole in your pocket then what the hell, you
    only live once.


    In fact, I've just d/loaded the same thing, and I don't think it's
    what I saw in the shop. What I saw looked like a cross between a photo
    and virtual landscape. I can't work it out. Perhaps it was a different
    product, although the display said Anquet. The shop sells Memory Map
    as well.

    Hmmm...

    I have memory-map and anquet products. There are definite plus points
    and minus points with both products.

    I originally bought OS 1:50,000 for Memory-Map and I bought Anquet
    originally to get the Harvey maps at 1:25,000 but I've since added OS at
    1:50,000 (bought at sale prices). I have downloaded demo versions of the
    ariel phot data for both products.

    Firstly I find that MM works better for use with GPS data downloaded
    as active and compressed tracks from Garmin Etrex Summit and Geko301.
    Basically the way I work is to use the GPS to passively collect data as
    I walk i.e. I don't pre-plan my walks on the computer and then up-load
    routes to my GPS. Anquet seems more designed around the concept of GPS
    routes planned on the computer. MM allows tracks to be converted to
    routes and it also allows you to store a database of tracklogs
    accumulated over time.

    I find the split screen interface on MM easier to use than on Anquet. In
    MM you can have two different sets of map data displayed in the two
    windows e.g. you can have 1:50,000 OS in one half and ariel photo at
    1:25,000 in the other. In Anquet one half is the 3D view of the map data
    in the other half.

    The 3D view on Anquet looks better, but the 3D view on MM is easier to
    orient and navigate using the mouse.

    The height profiling on Anquet is easier to use than MM, but the ability
    to print route cards from tracklogs and routes is easier in MM.

    Finally "GPS Utility" is an essential tool to manipulate, store, and
    export tracks, routes and waypoints for use in either MM or Anquet.

    Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
    --
    o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark
    <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
    "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
    ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <URL:[email hidden]> wrote:
    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    i.e. is it not possible to have a split screen, half with
    virtual landscape and half with map?

    Yes, but only the same map, i.e. the photo map, you can't look at half
    photo, half normal map.

    This is where Memory-Map scores over Anquet because the above is easily
    achieved.

    Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
    --
    o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark
    <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
    "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
    ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

  11. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    bob watkinson said:

    Beyond this fun value though I'm not
    convinced of it's practical value

    Aaargghhh!!! Not another one!!! Of course it has practical value! Use
    your imagination! :-)

    Firstly, being able to visualise the terrain in 3D is very helpful for
    route planning, especially if you want to avoid excessively steep slopes
    or to minimise unnecessary re-ascent. Most people aren't all that good
    at visualising contours, so the 3D view is particularly useful in that
    respect.

    sorry but if you can't visually interpret the landscape using contours you
    shouldn't be out there. As for route planning if you going to do that using
    photographs - well that's just ridiculous

    Quoted message said:


    Secondly, photo maps provide a lot of information that real maps don't.
    The colour of the vegetations can be a good clue, for example heathery
    and boggy areas, which are not at all obvious on normal maps.

    try looking at the map legend for help on this

    Quoted message said:


    Forestry is another good one. This does depend on how old the photos
    are, but I think may well be more recent than many maps. They can show
    areas of forestry which have been cut (not shown on normal maps) and
    newly planted areas that haven't made it onto the maps yet. In one
    particular location I've been looking closely at I've found a lovely
    grassy clearing in a forest which makes a great camp site. I know it's
    there because I've been there, and the photo map shows it, but it's not
    shown on any of the normal maps.

    Another particularly useful feature is footpaths, the representation of
    which is often bad on real maps. Just because a footpath is shown on a
    map gives no idea of how often it's used. Sometimes a footpath has
    disappeared into the undergrowth and no longer actually exists, whilst
    newer paths are sometimes not shown. Paths are not always obvious on
    photos maps, sometimes they are invisible, but other times they are
    extremely visible. I've seen well worn scars that indicate popular
    paths that you wouldn't be able to tell from map alone, and other paths
    and rights of way that no longer seem to exist. In one forest pic I've
    studied I can see deep cuttings in the forest that indicate the well
    used paths and tracks, whilst others seem to no longer exist.

    Seriously, if you're planning a walk in an unfamiliar area, a study of
    the photo map can give a good idea of the best paths to use.

    Thirdly, my personal favourite, photo planning! By placing the camera
    at ground level (or just above) you can move around the landscape and
    find the best viewpoints - you can also adjust the lighting to give a
    rough idea of what it may look like at sunrise or sunset (checking how
    the shadows fall). These viewpoints can then be marked with waypoints
    for future visits. This can save a huge amount of unnecessary legwork
    and trial and error in finding good views to photograph. Although you
    can do the same thing with the ordinary 3D mapping, the photo mapping
    gives a much better impression of what it will actually look like, with
    respect to vegetation and the colours of the land.

    Oh, and it's fun too! If you draw your route (or download it from your
    GPS) you can place the camera at ground level, use the "walk route"
    option and pre-live or re-live your walk. It gives a surprisingly good
    virtual representation of the real experience, but without the
    tiredness, the aching joints, the cold, the wind, the rain. In fact,
    you're better of staying at home and doing virtual walks on the computer
    instead!

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, bob watkinson
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    sorry but if you can't visually interpret the landscape using contours you
    shouldn't be out there.

    Says who?

    --

    Dominic Sexton
    http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

  13. "Dominic Sexton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, bob watkinson
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    sorry but if you can't visually interpret the landscape using contours you
    shouldn't be out there.

    Says who?


    Ah, now you're going to tell me that a photo is all you need to keep you
    safe in the great outdoors.

    Quoted message said:

    --

    Dominic Sexton
    http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

  14. Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, bob watkinson
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    sorry but if you can't visually interpret the landscape using contours you
    shouldn't be out there.

    Says who?


    Who else? The Ordnance Survey. ;-)
    --
    Gordon

  15. "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, bob watkinson
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    sorry but if you can't visually interpret the landscape using contours
    you
    shouldn't be out there.

    Says who?


    Who else? The Ordnance Survey. ;-)
    --
    Gordon

    Yes but it's probable that Dominic can't read maps at all but still believes
    he's safe out there 😉

  16. Mike Clark said:

    I have memory-map and anquet products. There are definite plus points
    and minus points with both products.

    <snip helpful stuff>

    Many thanks!

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \

  17. bob watkinson said:
    Quoted message said:

    Firstly, being able to visualise the terrain in 3D is very helpful
    for route planning, especially if you want to avoid excessively
    steep slopes or to minimise unnecessary re-ascent. Most people
    aren't all that good at visualising contours, so the 3D view is
    particularly useful in that respect.

    sorry but if you can't visually interpret the landscape using
    contours you shouldn't be out there.

    I didn't say that I couldn't. I said that *many* people aren't very
    good at it.

    Quoted message said:

    As for route planning if you
    going to do that using photographs - well that's just ridiculous

    Of course it's ridiculous, I never suggested planning routes using
    photographs, I said that being able to visualise the terrain in 3D is
    "very helpful". At least it can be, if you're prepared to take
    advantage of the extra information. Maps don't tell you everything.
    The information shown is selective.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, photo maps provide a lot of information that real maps
    don't. The colour of the vegetations can be a good clue, for example
    heathery and boggy areas, which are not at all obvious on normal
    maps.

    try looking at the map legend for help on this

    Ever tried using a map in the hills? The ground symbols are vague,
    ambiguous and generalised at best. Easy moorland walking is shown with
    the same symbols as atrocious ankle breaking tussock grass. Many bogs
    are not shown at all, and don't talk to me about gorse, bracken and
    heather! These sorts of things are far more obvious on a photo map, and
    more up to date.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  18. Paul Saunders said:

    Oh wake up PW!

    <fx: jump!>

    Quoted message said:

    I was talking about these a while back! :-)

    Um.....

    <PW wriggles, guiltily...> 🙂

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    There is a demo of part of the Lakes for those who already own Anquet.
    I can email you a couple of screengrabs if you like.

    That would be great, thanks! I'll try dropping you a line.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (See product page above.) On that page there's still a 1:50k
    Northern England for £39.95, but there's also a photomap Northern
    England, also at £39.95. Does the photomap not also have the maps,
    then?

    No, it has photos, with some text overlaid on major features to give you
    an idea of what you're looking at.

    Ahaa....

    It sounds good to me, but I'm now unsure about what I saw in the shop
    in Ambleside.

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \

  19. Peewiglet said:
    Quoted message said:

    There is a demo of part of the Lakes for those who already own
    Anquet. I can email you a couple of screengrabs if you like.

    That would be great, thanks! I'll try dropping you a line.

    Well try harder! Come one, I'm waiting to post them to you, but your
    email address doesn't seem to work. ;-)

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  20. Paul Saunders said:
    Peewiglet said:
    Quoted message said:

    There is a demo of part of the Lakes for those who already own
    Anquet. I can email you a couple of screengrabs if you like.

    That would be great, thanks! I'll try dropping you a line.

    Well try harder! Come one, I'm waiting to post them to you, but your
    email address doesn't seem to work. ;-)

    Hmmm.... I did write, though. I'll try again. Hang on a mo...

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \

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