Another uninjured driver

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Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6949251.stm

Your twist on the story being for what purpose?

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Matt B 'matt.bourke'@nospam.london.com said:

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Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6949251.stm

Your twist on the story being for what purpose?

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Matt B

I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
been injured. There was a local death where a driver of a petrol
tanker ran over and killed a cyclist and it was reported that the
driver of this near 40 tonne HGV wasn't hurt in this collision. Oh and
by the way the cyclist was dead.

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Simon Mason

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I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
been injured.

Well, there was this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
"An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
with a cyclist in Scarborough"

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I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
been injured.

Well, there was this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
"An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
with a cyclist in Scarborough"

There must be some mistake. Someone must have hacked the BBC news web site

David Lloyd

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I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
been injured.

Well, there was this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
"An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
with a cyclist in Scarborough"

There must be some mistake. Someone must have hacked the BBC news web site

That's an odd thing to say.

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On 16 Aug, 11:53, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
> been injured.
Well, there was this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
"An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
with a cyclist in Scarborough"

There must be some mistake. Someone must have hacked the BBC news web
site

That's an odd thing to say.

It's a very odd situation.

Curious that there has been no update on this incident. The first report
didn't give the age of the driver nor what he died of. It could be that he
had a heart attack at the wheel, and the cyclist was just there at that
time.

David Lloyd

Quoted post said:

Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6949251.stm

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Simon Mason

Always sad when someone dies out of turn.

Wonder is she was using the highway code advice or some of the none
recommended advice here?

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On 16 Aug, 11:53, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
> been injured.
Well, there was this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
"An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
with a cyclist in Scarborough"

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There must be some mistake. Someone must have hacked the BBC news web site

That's an odd thing to say.

Not at all, it doesnt conform the many peoples views in here, so must
be fake false hacked etc.

it doesnt say how the chap died, could have been heart attack, but as
i say it doesnt say how.

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> On 16 Aug, 11:53, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
>> been injured.
> Well, there was this one:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
> "An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
> with a cyclist in Scarborough"

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There must be some mistake. Someone must have hacked the BBC news web
site

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That's an odd thing to say.

It's a very odd situation.

Curious that there has been no update on this incident. The first report
didn't give the age of the driver nor what he died of. It could be that he
had a heart attack at the wheel, and the cyclist was just there at that
time.

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or the cyclist jumped a red light, off on pavement etc as they do and
they collided and the driver had a heart attack due to the stress of
it all...

We're second guessing and could wait till the proper result unless of
course it was not the motorists fault then it's a whitewash cover up
etc etc as many in here are prone to say.

On 17 Aug, 09:32, "The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"

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David Lloyd said:

Curious that there has been no update on this incident. The first report
didn't give the age of the driver nor what he died of. It could be that he
had a heart attack at the wheel, and the cyclist was just there at that
time.

Sounds quite possible:

http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=800&articleid=2053957

"Crash driver died of natural causes

A POST mortem examination has revealed a driver involved in a
collision on Wednesday died of natural causes.
The incident was at the junction of Maple Drive and North Leas Avenue,
Scarborough, at about 6.15pm and involved a white Nissan Micra and a
man on a blue bicycle.

The cyclist, Kevin Hudson, 50, of Newby Farm Close, Scarbor-ough, was
taken to Scarborough Hospital with what were de-scribed by police as
"serious injuries".

He was later released after treatment and was yesterday recovering at
home.

Police did not name the motorist, who was believed to be in his 80s,
because he had died as a result of natural causes. Mr Hudson was
released from hospital after treatment.

Residents said Maple Drive was sealed off until about 7pm while the
scene of the crash was investigated and crime scene investigators took
photographic evidence.

A spokesman for Scarborough and District Motor Services Ltd, which
operates regular bus services along North Leas Avenue, said the
incident did not affect its timetable and caused no delays.

Police are appealing for witnesses to contact TC 988 Richard Hammond
on 0845 6060247."

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or the cyclist jumped a red light, off on pavement etc as they do and
they collided and the driver had a heart attack due to the stress of
it all...

Both roads are wide, tree-lined, suburban streets, no parked cars near
the junctions on the satellite views, plenty of room for a car and a
cyclist. No red lights to jump, just a give way sign.

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We're second guessing

We are, but I think it's fair to say if the follow up to the story
was

"Cyclist pulling out in front of car causes driver to have a heart
attack"

the local paper would report it, it's the kind of thing they do.
(There were no more reports on this story in the paper.) If the story
was

"Elderly motorist dies at wheel of car, cyclist hit in subsequent
crash"

they probably wouldn't bother - they'd already reported the natural
causes bit.

(Sorry folks, does this count as troll wrestling? If I just post the
once on a topic? I'll try not to do it again.)

Rob

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>> I have yet to read of an death of this nature where the driver *has*
>> been injured.
> Well, there was this one:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6363905.stm
> "An elderly man has died after his car was involved in a collision
> with a cyclist in Scarborough"

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There must be some mistake. Someone must have hacked the BBC news web
site

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That's an odd thing to say.

It's a very odd situation.

Curious that there has been no update on this incident. The first report
didn't give the age of the driver nor what he died of. It could be that he
had a heart attack at the wheel, and the cyclist was just there at that
time.

David Lloyd

This sounds likely to me. I witnessed a single vehicle accident where
the driver took out a hyro pole on the boulevard. My informant who
was the driver's next door neighbour, said that the police and medical
consensus was the driver ( a quite elderly woman) had died of a heart
attack while driving.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

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On 17 Aug, 09:32, "The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"

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David Lloyd said:

Curious that there has been no update on this incident. The first report
didn't give the age of the driver nor what he died of. It could be that he
had a heart attack at the wheel, and the cyclist was just there at that
time.

Sounds quite possible:

http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=80...

"Crash driver died of natural causes

A POST mortem examination has revealed a driver involved in a
collision on Wednesday died of natural causes.
The incident was at the junction of Maple Drive and North Leas Avenue,
Scarborough, at about 6.15pm and involved a white Nissan Micra and a
man on a blue bicycle.

The cyclist, Kevin Hudson, 50, of Newby Farm Close, Scarbor-ough, was
taken to Scarborough Hospital with what were de-scribed by police as
"serious injuries".

He was later released after treatment and was yesterday recovering at
home.

Police did not name the motorist, who was believed to be in his 80s,
because he had died as a result of natural causes. Mr Hudson was
released from hospital after treatment.

Residents said Maple Drive was sealed off until about 7pm while the
scene of the crash was investigated and crime scene investigators took
photographic evidence.

A spokesman for Scarborough and District Motor Services Ltd, which
operates regular bus services along North Leas Avenue, said the
incident did not affect its timetable and caused no delays.

Police are appealing for witnesses to contact TC 988 Richard Hammond
on 0845 6060247."

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or the cyclist jumped a red light, off on pavement etc as they do and
they collided and the driver had a heart attack due to the stress of
it all...

Both roads are wide, tree-lined, suburban streets, no parked cars near
the junctions on the satellite views, plenty of room for a car and a
cyclist. No red lights to jump, just a give way sign.

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We're second guessing

We are, but I think it's fair to say if the follow up to the story
was

"Cyclist pulling out in front of car causes driver to have a heart
attack"

the local paper would report it, it's the kind of thing they do.
(There were no more reports on this story in the paper.) If the story
was

"Elderly motorist dies at wheel of car, cyclist hit in subsequent
crash"

they probably wouldn't bother - they'd already reported the natural
causes bit.

(Sorry folks, does this count as troll wrestling? If I just post the
once on a topic? I'll try not to do it again.)

Rob

Thanks for the update

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know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"
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Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6949251.stm

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Simon Mason

Always sad when someone dies out of turn.

Neither of them died out of turn. The problem is that when their turn
came they were supposed to be controlling a motor vehicle, so their
demise was other people's deadly menace.

It's time for a review of the elderly driver problem, as the present
arrangements clearly aren't working.

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Why aren't we demanding regular retests for all motor drivers?
It's obvious a lot of them would fail so that'd solve the congestion problem too.

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Quoted post said:

Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6949251.stm

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Simon Mason

Always sad when someone dies out of turn.

Neither of them died out of turn. The problem is that when their turn
came they were supposed to be controlling a motor vehicle, so their demise
was other people's deadly menace.

It's time for a review of the elderly driver problem, as the present
arrangements clearly aren't working.

This incident has nothing to do with elderly drivers. The report has the
driver as 33.

David Lloyd

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It's time for a review of the elderly driver problem, as the present
arrangements clearly aren't working.

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This incident has nothing to do with elderly drivers. The report has the
driver as 33.

Eh? That *is* old! 😉

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Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6949251.stm

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Simon Mason

Always sad when someone dies out of turn.

Neither of them died out of turn. The problem is that when their turn
came they were supposed to be controlling a motor vehicle, so their demise
was other people's deadly menace.

It's time for a review of the elderly driver problem, as the present
arrangements clearly aren't working.

I thought elderly drivers were in the lowest risk group for accidents and
that is why their premiums are so low.

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It's time for a review of the elderly driver problem, as the present
arrangements clearly aren't working.

I thought elderly drivers were in the lowest risk group for accidents
and that is why their premiums are so low.

Depends on what you define as "elderly". At a population level, and
generalising:

Over 50's; good risks. Tend to have got over the worst of their youthful
(and mid-life crisis) bad high speed driving. Tend to not have children in
back distracting driver. Tend to not be in so much of a rush as younger
drivers.
Over 60's; good risks. As well as over-50 properties, most don't travel at
commuting time (reducing chances of accident due to vehicle numbers), drive
low annual mileages, don't drive long distances over night.
Over 75's; becoming bad risks. Vision deteriorating badly. Reaction times
down. Mental confusion common. Many common household insurers refuse cover
to over 75's.

Back at Sue's issue; for decades I've thought that driving tests should be
every 10 years (or thereabout) and dropping to 3 or 5 years once over aged
70.

- Nigel

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Sue White said:

"The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"
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Another cycling fatality where the driver left the scene thankfully
not injured.

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Always sad when someone dies out of turn.

Neither of them died out of turn. The problem is that when their turn
came they were supposed to be controlling a motor vehicle, so their
demise was other people's deadly menace.

It's time for a review of the elderly driver problem, as the present
arrangements clearly aren't working.

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Sue ]🙁🙂

Why aren't we demanding regular retests for all motor drivers?
It's obvious a lot of them would fail so that'd solve the congestion problem too.

I would be in favour of a regular test on car drivers. I would also
advocate a test for all road users as well including cyclists ;-)

Accidents tend to happen when one or more road users do something
unexpected; be it jumping a red light, going faster then they can stop
(In time) or not using the roads as advised in the HC...

So as you say, a regular check that road users are still familiar with
the safe use of the roads etc is a very good move.

The other view point, there is one you

know...urlhttp://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm/url said:

I would be in favour of a regular test on car drivers. I would also
advocate a test for all road users as well including cyclists ;-)

Would that also include horse riders and pedestrians?

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