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  1. Hi t here.

    I read recently in the local paper that yet another cyclist was struck
    whilst riding in the dark wearing dark-coloured clothing and without
    any lights or reflectors mounted on the bicycle.

    I really feel sorry for the bicyclist's family and especially the
    truck driver who most likely never even saw the bicyclist.

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Another tragic accident that may well have been prevented with even
    very basic ligting on the bicycle.

    Peter

  2. "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    Think about it....you're riding at night and there's a truck coming your
    way...you don't bother to consider if it's going to hit you or not? It's
    beyond imagination, IMO.

  3. "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    Think about it....you're riding at night and there's a truck coming your
    way...you don't bother to consider if it's going to hit you or not? It's
    beyond imagination, IMO.


  4. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX


  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX


  6. Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in


    a

    Quoted message said:

    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your


    dark

    Quoted message said:

    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX

    er, that's supposed to be "you're practically invisible." Haven't had my
    jalapenos yet today....


  7. Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in


    a

    Quoted message said:

    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your


    dark

    Quoted message said:

    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX

    er, that's supposed to be "you're practically invisible." Haven't had my
    jalapenos yet today....

  8. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in
    a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your
    dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX

    I can understand that, as people walking don't generally expect to walk in
    the middle of the street at night. But a cyclist riding a bike in the
    road...unless he/she got caught out unexpectedly.....

    Quoted message said:


  9. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in
    a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your
    dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX

    I can understand that, as people walking don't generally expect to walk in
    the middle of the street at night. But a cyclist riding a bike in the
    road...unless he/she got caught out unexpectedly.....

    Quoted message said:


  10. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in


    a

    Quoted message said:

    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your


    dark

    Quoted message said:

    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX

    er, that's supposed to be "you're practically invisible." Haven't had my
    jalapenos yet today....

    I actually read it the way you meant it, Pat. 🙂

  11. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in


    a

    Quoted message said:

    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your


    dark

    Quoted message said:

    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Pat in TX

    er, that's supposed to be "you're practically invisible." Haven't had my
    jalapenos yet today....

    I actually read it the way you meant it, Pat. 🙂

  12. Roger Zoul said:

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    > more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in
    a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your
    dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Quoted message said:

    Pat in TX

    I can understand that, as people walking don't generally expect to walk in
    the middle of the street at night. But a cyclist riding a bike in the
    road...unless he/she got caught out unexpectedly.....

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    - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

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    Hi there.

    It's getting caught unexpectedly by darkness that is the reason I
    recommend a front and rear blinky (at least) be mounted on the bicycle
    at all times.

    However, the two cyclists that were hit that I have reported here were
    not caught unexpectedly by darkness. They chose to ride in the dark
    whilst wearing dark clothing and with out any lights.

    Many drivers do not look for cyclists on the roads around here.
    Because they are not looking for them these drivers simply do not see
    a dark clothing wearing cyclist on a bicycle that is not lit by active
    lighting.

    I urge all my friends to have a permanently mounted front and rear
    blinky as a mininum for riding *IN CASE THEY GET CAUGHT BY DARKNESS*
    especially during the shorter day-light days we are moving into.
    Losing the hour we did recently catches many bicyclists because they
    have not yet adjusted to the earlier occurring darkness.

    But, both these accidents happened before the clocks went back.

    It is accidents like these that increase the general public's belief
    that bicycling is dangerous.

    I just wish there were more I could do the educate uninformed
    bicyclists just how dangerous it is to wear dark clothing whilst
    cycling at night with out any lights or even reflectors.

    Peter

  13. Roger Zoul said:

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    > more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her own
    behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony in
    a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your
    dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of it.

    Quoted message said:

    Pat in TX

    I can understand that, as people walking don't generally expect to walk in
    the middle of the street at night. But a cyclist riding a bike in the
    road...unless he/she got caught out unexpectedly.....

    - Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Hi there.

    It's getting caught unexpectedly by darkness that is the reason I
    recommend a front and rear blinky (at least) be mounted on the bicycle
    at all times.

    However, the two cyclists that were hit that I have reported here were
    not caught unexpectedly by darkness. They chose to ride in the dark
    whilst wearing dark clothing and with out any lights.

    Many drivers do not look for cyclists on the roads around here.
    Because they are not looking for them these drivers simply do not see
    a dark clothing wearing cyclist on a bicycle that is not lit by active
    lighting.

    I urge all my friends to have a permanently mounted front and rear
    blinky as a mininum for riding *IN CASE THEY GET CAUGHT BY DARKNESS*
    especially during the shorter day-light days we are moving into.
    Losing the hour we did recently catches many bicyclists because they
    have not yet adjusted to the earlier occurring darkness.

    But, both these accidents happened before the clocks went back.

    It is accidents like these that increase the general public's belief
    that bicycling is dangerous.

    I just wish there were more I could do the educate uninformed
    bicyclists just how dangerous it is to wear dark clothing whilst
    cycling at night with out any lights or even reflectors.

    Peter

  14. "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    > > I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    > > more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help
    > > any?

    Quoted message said:

    > I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her
    > own
    > behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony
    in
    a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking
    in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your
    dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of
    the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of
    it.

    Quoted message said:

    Pat in TX

    I can understand that, as people walking don't generally expect to walk
    in
    the middle of the street at night. But a cyclist riding a bike in the
    road...unless he/she got caught out unexpectedly.....


    Hi there.

    It's getting caught unexpectedly by darkness that is the reason I
    recommend a front and rear blinky (at least) be mounted on the bicycle
    at all times.

    It would seem that any concerned, responsible, experienced, intelligent
    cyclist wouldn't have to be told this. Perhaps these cyclist were newbies. I
    do see lots of people like this, but they mostly ride on the wrong side of
    the street, etc. Still, I'm doubtful you can educate them either.

    Quoted message said:


    However, the two cyclists that were hit that I have reported here were
    not caught unexpectedly by darkness. They chose to ride in the dark
    whilst wearing dark clothing and with out any lights.

    Any info as to the type of cyclist they were? Fred's, Lance-wannabees, or
    just newbies? Kids?

    Quoted message said:


    Many drivers do not look for cyclists on the roads around here.
    Because they are not looking for them these drivers simply do not see
    a dark clothing wearing cyclist on a bicycle that is not lit by active
    lighting.

    Very understandable. If I were caught out, I'd be expecting this (even if I
    were nearly invisible). I'd either stop and wait or go really slow. Even if
    the drivers could not or did not see the cyclist, why didn't the cyclist see
    them and act accordingly?

    Quoted message said:


    I urge all my friends to have a permanently mounted front and rear
    blinky as a mininum for riding *IN CASE THEY GET CAUGHT BY DARKNESS*
    especially during the shorter day-light days we are moving into.
    Losing the hour we did recently catches many bicyclists because they
    have not yet adjusted to the earlier occurring darkness.

    But, both these accidents happened before the clocks went back.

    It is accidents like these that increase the general public's belief
    that bicycling is dangerous.

    I just wish there were more I could do the educate uninformed
    bicyclists just how dangerous it is to wear dark clothing whilst
    cycling at night with out any lights or even reflectors.

    I applaud your willingness to serve others in this manner.

  15. "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    > > I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    > > more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help
    > > any?

    Quoted message said:

    > I don't think so. If I person can't be bothered to think on his/her
    > own
    > behalf regarding safety, no amount of letter writing will help.

    Quoted message said:

    I went to a night-time parade last year, a Christmas lighting ceremony
    in
    a
    downtown area. Going back to the parking lot, some people were walking
    in
    the street. I turned to one woman and said, "Do you know that with your
    dark
    clothes that you'll practically invisible walking down the middle of
    the
    street like that?" and she was astonished! She hadn't even thought of
    it.

    Quoted message said:

    Pat in TX

    I can understand that, as people walking don't generally expect to walk
    in
    the middle of the street at night. But a cyclist riding a bike in the
    road...unless he/she got caught out unexpectedly.....


    Hi there.

    It's getting caught unexpectedly by darkness that is the reason I
    recommend a front and rear blinky (at least) be mounted on the bicycle
    at all times.

    It would seem that any concerned, responsible, experienced, intelligent
    cyclist wouldn't have to be told this. Perhaps these cyclist were newbies. I
    do see lots of people like this, but they mostly ride on the wrong side of
    the street, etc. Still, I'm doubtful you can educate them either.

    Quoted message said:


    However, the two cyclists that were hit that I have reported here were
    not caught unexpectedly by darkness. They chose to ride in the dark
    whilst wearing dark clothing and with out any lights.

    Any info as to the type of cyclist they were? Fred's, Lance-wannabees, or
    just newbies? Kids?

    Quoted message said:


    Many drivers do not look for cyclists on the roads around here.
    Because they are not looking for them these drivers simply do not see
    a dark clothing wearing cyclist on a bicycle that is not lit by active
    lighting.

    Very understandable. If I were caught out, I'd be expecting this (even if I
    were nearly invisible). I'd either stop and wait or go really slow. Even if
    the drivers could not or did not see the cyclist, why didn't the cyclist see
    them and act accordingly?

    Quoted message said:


    I urge all my friends to have a permanently mounted front and rear
    blinky as a mininum for riding *IN CASE THEY GET CAUGHT BY DARKNESS*
    especially during the shorter day-light days we are moving into.
    Losing the hour we did recently catches many bicyclists because they
    have not yet adjusted to the earlier occurring darkness.

    But, both these accidents happened before the clocks went back.

    It is accidents like these that increase the general public's belief
    that bicycling is dangerous.

    I just wish there were more I could do the educate uninformed
    bicyclists just how dangerous it is to wear dark clothing whilst
    cycling at night with out any lights or even reflectors.

    I applaud your willingness to serve others in this manner.

  16. Sir Ridesalot said:

    Many drivers do not look for cyclists on the roads around here.
    Because they are not looking for them these drivers simply do not see
    a dark clothing wearing cyclist on a bicycle that is not lit by active
    lighting.

    Of course they don't, but let's be clear, here. This is not the
    drivers' fault. Most of you are drivers. Don't try to tell me that you
    would look for a person on a bike, with no lights or reflectors, wearing
    black. You might say "What the hell is that?" as you run into it, but
    we cannot assume that drivers are clairvoyant, or have super x-ray
    vision. As sad as any traffic death is, the driver is not at fault
    under these conditions.

    I recall last Fall driving along, in the rain, and just barely avoiding
    an idiot riding, without lights, without reflectors, wearing black, at
    night, in the rain. Now, natural selection should weed this out of the
    gene pool, but until that happens it's gonna [censored] me off. Had I hit the
    guy, I would have felt like [censored] --- even though there was no way I
    could have prevented it. As it was, that guy is alive through dumb luck.

    Most bikes come with reflectors, [censored] though they are. He had to go out
    of his way to remove them, then had the idea of wearing black on a rainy
    night.

    Quoted message said:


    I urge all my friends to have a permanently mounted front and rear
    blinky as a mininum for riding *IN CASE THEY GET CAUGHT BY DARKNESS*
    especially during the shorter day-light days we are moving into.

    Absolutely.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    And what if you track down these men and kill them, what if you killed
    all of us? From every corner of Europe, hundreds, thousands would
    rise up to take our places. Even Nazis can't kill that fast.
    -- Paul Henreid (Casablanca).

  17. Sir Ridesalot said:

    Many drivers do not look for cyclists on the roads around here.
    Because they are not looking for them these drivers simply do not see
    a dark clothing wearing cyclist on a bicycle that is not lit by active
    lighting.

    Of course they don't, but let's be clear, here. This is not the
    drivers' fault. Most of you are drivers. Don't try to tell me that you
    would look for a person on a bike, with no lights or reflectors, wearing
    black. You might say "What the hell is that?" as you run into it, but
    we cannot assume that drivers are clairvoyant, or have super x-ray
    vision. As sad as any traffic death is, the driver is not at fault
    under these conditions.

    I recall last Fall driving along, in the rain, and just barely avoiding
    an idiot riding, without lights, without reflectors, wearing black, at
    night, in the rain. Now, natural selection should weed this out of the
    gene pool, but until that happens it's gonna [censored] me off. Had I hit the
    guy, I would have felt like [censored] --- even though there was no way I
    could have prevented it. As it was, that guy is alive through dumb luck.

    Most bikes come with reflectors, [censored] though they are. He had to go out
    of his way to remove them, then had the idea of wearing black on a rainy
    night.

    Quoted message said:


    I urge all my friends to have a permanently mounted front and rear
    blinky as a mininum for riding *IN CASE THEY GET CAUGHT BY DARKNESS*
    especially during the shorter day-light days we are moving into.

    Absolutely.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    And what if you track down these men and kill them, what if you killed
    all of us? From every corner of Europe, hundreds, thousands would
    rise up to take our places. Even Nazis can't kill that fast.
    -- Paul Henreid (Casablanca).

  18. Around here they are usually "Wrong Way Jose's". No lights reflectors
    etc. Riding the wrong way,on sidewalks etc. Sad to see one go down
    but most of these P.O.B's contribute to their own demise.

    Sir Ridesalot said:

    Hi t here.

    I read recently in the local paper that yet another cyclist was struck
    whilst riding in the dark wearing dark-coloured clothing and without
    any lights or reflectors mounted on the bicycle.

    I really feel sorry for the bicyclist's family and especially the
    truck driver who most likely never even saw the bicyclist.

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Another tragic accident that may well have been prevented with even
    very basic ligting on the bicycle.

    Peter

  19. Around here they are usually "Wrong Way Jose's". No lights reflectors
    etc. Riding the wrong way,on sidewalks etc. Sad to see one go down
    but most of these P.O.B's contribute to their own demise.

    Sir Ridesalot said:

    Hi t here.

    I read recently in the local paper that yet another cyclist was struck
    whilst riding in the dark wearing dark-coloured clothing and without
    any lights or reflectors mounted on the bicycle.

    I really feel sorry for the bicyclist's family and especially the
    truck driver who most likely never even saw the bicyclist.

    I wonder if writing a letter to the paper imploring people to make
    more effort to be visible to other road users at night would help any?

    Another tragic accident that may well have been prevented with even
    very basic ligting on the bicycle.

    Peter

  20. David L. Johnson said:

    Most bikes come with reflectors, [censored] though they are. He had to go
    out of his way to remove them, then had the idea of wearing black on a
    rainy night.

    Of the four bikes I have purchased at bike shops in California,
    only two of them came from the shop with reflectors. This is
    despite the fact that California state law requires bike shops to
    sell bikes (new or used, if I recall correctly, but perhaps only
    new) with a full complement of reflectors.

    It doesn't excuse the bicyclist's stupidity, of course, but he
    may not be *entirely* to blame on his bike's lack of reflectors.
    --
    Ben Pfaff
    http://benpfaff.org

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