Another slow start for Ullrich

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Every year, since winning his Tour, Ullrich has had very
lackluster spring campaigns - fat, fat, coming off
tendonitis, coming off suspension,yada yada. This wad
suppposed to be THE year - regained motivation, etc, so of
course many are looking for a hint of form from Jan. Well
never one to not disappoint his form so far has been
absent. In the Setmana Catalan he was 16 min then 6 min
off the pace today. This is not the form I was expecting,

Like he gives a [censored] what you are expecting

Dave

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Every year, since winning his Tour, Ullrich has had very
lackluster spring campaigns - fat, fat, coming off
tendonitis, coming off suspension,yada yada. This wad
suppposed to be THE year - regained motivation, etc, so of
course many are looking for a hint of form from Jan. Well
never one to not disappoint his form so far has been
absent. In the Setmana Catalan he was 16 min then 6 min
off the pace today. This is not the form I was expecting,
especially when compared to his potential TDF rivals. I
suppose the excuse is he does not want to peak too early
and Armstrong, Mayo, etc are all doing just that.

I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last year at
this time. He's not doing the Setmana to win, for him and
with many others, it's a training race to get in the miles.
For them, the goal is to finish in the pack and not injure
themselves.That's what a lot of these early season races
are for, especially where Grand Tour contenders are
concerned. As for being fat, Lance looked a bit porky
himself at that race a couple of weeks ago- even they gain
weight during the winter.

fat_old_man said:

Every year, since winning his Tour, Ullrich has had very
lackluster spring campaigns - fat, fat, coming off
tendonitis, coming off suspension,yada yada. This wad
suppposed to be THE year - regained motivation, etc, so of
course many are looking for a hint of form from Jan. Well
never one to not disappoint his form so far has been
absent. In the Setmana Catalan he was 16 min then 6 min
off the pace today. This is not the form I was expecting,
especially when compared to his potential TDF rivals. I
suppose the excuse is he does not want to peak too early
and Armstrong, Mayo, etc are all doing just that.

Armstrong isn't peaking.

Dan

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Every year, since winning his Tour, Ullrich has had
very lackluster spring campaigns - fat, fat, coming off
tendonitis, coming off suspension,yada yada. This wad
suppposed to be THE year - regained motivation, etc, so
of course many are looking for a hint of form from Jan.
Well never one to not disappoint his form so far has
been absent. In the Setmana Catalan he was 16 min then
6 min off the pace today. This is not the form I was
expecting, especially when compared to his potential
TDF rivals. I suppose the excuse is he does not want to
peak too early and Armstrong, Mayo, etc are all doing
just that.

I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last year at
this time. He's not doing the Setmana to win, for him and
with many others, it's a

training

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race to get in the miles. For them, the goal is to finish
in the pack and not injure themselves.That's what a lot of
these early season races are

for,

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especially where Grand Tour contenders are concerned. As
for being fat, Lance looked a bit porky himself at that
race a couple of weeks ago- even they gain weight during
the winter.

At the beginning of the season Eddy Merckx was usually too
fat as well. In 1974 even at the start of the Giro he had to
lose 9 pounds. And yet he won ...

Benjo Maso

Don't worry too much about Jan Ullrich. He knows what he's
doing. He likes to eat (more than Crispy Creme donuts) and
he spends his spring shedding weight. When July comes along,
he'll be there. I think one victory and five second-place
finishes at Le Tour speak for themselves.

Whether he can finally beat Lance, that's another question.
But wouldn't it be great to see Armstrong, Ullrich,
Hamilton, Beloki and Mayo climbing La Mongie and Plateau de
Beille together?

Cheers,

James Raia Tour de France Times byjamesraia.combyjamesraia.comOpen ↗

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I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last year
at this time.

He's

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not doing the Setmana to win, for him and with many
others, it's a

training

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race to get in the miles. For them, the goal is to
finish in the pack

and

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not injure themselves.That's what a lot of these early
season races are

for,

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especially where Grand Tour contenders are concerned. As
for being fat, Lance looked a bit porky himself at that
race a couple of weeks ago-

even

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they gain weight during the winter.

At the beginning of the season Eddy Merckx was usually too
fat as well. In 1974 even at the start of the Giro he had
to lose 9 pounds. And yet he won ...

Benjo Maso

I remember him saying in an interview that he'd always had
that tendency to put on weight in the winter. It was one of
the reasons (aside from the money) that he did six day races
in the winter!

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Armstrong isn't peaking.

Ask Sheryl ... or Bette;-)

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Every year, since winning his Tour, Ullrich has had very
lackluster spring campaigns

You know, this is true. His Tour win came after what was his
best spring by a wide margin. Now, its not like he was
tearing it up on the bergs in Belgium. But he had some
reasonable results and a few very good results:

February - Tour of Mallorca, 10th April - Tour of
Aragon(2.3), 9th
- GP Primavera (1.3), 5th May - Henninger Turm(1,1),
9th June - Classique des Alpes (1.1), 7th
- German Championship
- Tour of Switzerland, 2nd, 1 stage win

That's not a bad run-in to the Tour, far better than he's
done since.

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I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last
year at this time.

He's

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not doing the Setmana to win, for him and with many
others, it's a

training

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race to get in the miles. For them, the goal is to
finish in the pack

and

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not injure themselves.That's what a lot of these early
season races

are

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for,

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especially where Grand Tour contenders are concerned.
As for being

fat,

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Lance looked a bit porky himself at that race a couple
of weeks ago-

even

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they gain weight during the winter.

At the beginning of the season Eddy Merckx was usually
too fat as well.

In

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1974 even at the start of the Giro he had to lose 9
pounds. And yet he

won

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...

Benjo Maso

I remember him saying in an interview that he'd always had
that tendency

to

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put on weight in the winter. It was one of the reasons
(aside from the money) that he did six day races in
the winter!

Have you seen him lately? Talk about a Belgian porker....

James Raia said:

Don't worry too much about Jan Ullrich. He knows what he's
doing. He likes to eat (more than Crispy Creme donuts) and
he spends his spring shedding weight. When July comes
along, he'll be there. I think one victory and five second-
place finishes at Le Tour speak for themselves.

Whether he can finally beat Lance, that's another
question. But wouldn't it be great to see Armstrong,
Ullrich, Hamilton, Beloki and Mayo climbing La Mongie and
Plateau de Beille together?

All chasing Heras.

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James Raia said:

Don't worry too much about Jan Ullrich. He knows what
he's doing. He likes to eat (more than Crispy Creme
donuts) and he spends his spring shedding weight. When
July comes along, he'll be there. I think one victory
and five second-place finishes at Le Tour speak for
themselves.

Whether he can finally beat Lance, that's another
question. But wouldn't it be great to see Armstrong,
Ullrich, Hamilton, Beloki and Mayo climbing La Mongie
and Plateau de Beille together?

All chasing Heras.

Right ! With Heras down around 24 minutes, I guess he is
just bluffing ?
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Bonne route,

Sandy Paris FR

Dave, That's a lot of hostility there my man. I suggest you
come of the steroids a bit, or the crack or whatever you are
doing, nad take some anger management class. Chilll

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Every year, since winning his Tour, Ullrich has had very
lackluster spring campaigns - fat, fat, coming off
tendonitis, coming off suspension,yada yada. This wad
suppposed to be THE year - regained motivation, etc, so
of course many are looking for a hint of form from Jan.
Well never one to not disappoint his form so far has
been absent. In the Setmana Catalan he was 16 min then 6
min off the pace today. This is not the form I was
expecting,

Like he gives a [censored] what you are expecting

Dave

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Dave, That's a lot of hostility there my man. I suggest
you come of the steroids a bit, or the crack or
whatever you are doing, nad take some anger management
class. Chilll

Like I give a [censored] what you suggest

Dave

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I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last
year at this time.

He's

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not doing the Setmana to win, for him and with many
others, it's a

training

Quoted message said:

race to get in the miles. For them, the goal is to
finish in the pack

and

Quoted message said:

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not injure themselves.That's what a lot of these early
season races

are

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for,

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especially where Grand Tour contenders are concerned.
As for being

fat,

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Lance looked a bit porky himself at that race a couple
of weeks ago-

even

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they gain weight during the winter.

At the beginning of the season Eddy Merckx was usually
too fat as well.

In

Quoted message said:

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1974 even at the start of the Giro he had to lose 9
pounds. And yet he

won

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...

Benjo Maso

I remember him saying in an interview that he'd always had
that tendency

to

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put on weight in the winter. It was one of the reasons
(aside from the money) that he did six day races in
the winter!

In La Course En Tete Merckx says something along the lines
of, "They say that cakes are bad for Cyclists. It's not the
cakes. It's the mountains that are bad for cyclists."

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> I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last
> year at this

time.

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He's

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> not doing the Setmana to win, for him and with many
> others, it's a
training
> race to get in the miles. For them, the goal is to
> finish in the

pack

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and

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> not injure themselves.That's what a lot of these
> early season races

are

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for,
> especially where Grand Tour contenders are
> concerned. As for being

fat,

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> Lance looked a bit porky himself at that race a
> couple of weeks ago-

even

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> they gain weight during the winter.

At the beginning of the season Eddy Merckx was usually
too fat as

well.

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In

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1974 even at the start of the Giro he had to lose 9
pounds. And yet he

won

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...

Benjo Maso

I remember him saying in an interview that he'd always
had that tendency

to

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put on weight in the winter. It was one of the reasons
(aside from the money) that he did six day races in the
winter!

Have you seen him lately? Talk about a Belgian porker....

He's been dieting and looks to have lost some weight. He has
a way to go, but he's looking better. I read somewhere that
he was having some heart problems and was told he'd better
shed some weight. May he live to be 100.

B. Lafferty said:

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> I remember Ullrich being pretty much the same last
> year at this time.

He's

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> not doing the Setmana to win, for him and with many
> others, it's a
training
> race to get in the miles. For them, the goal is to
> finish in the pack

and

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> not injure themselves.That's what a lot of these
> early season races

are

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for,
> especially where Grand Tour contenders are
> concerned. As for being

fat,

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> Lance looked a bit porky himself at that race a
> couple of weeks ago-

even

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> they gain weight during the winter.

At the beginning of the season Eddy Merckx was usually
too fat as well.

In

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1974 even at the start of the Giro he had to lose 9
pounds. And yet he

won

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...

Benjo Maso

I remember him saying in an interview that he'd always
had that tendency

to

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put on weight in the winter. It was one of the reasons
(aside from the money) that he did six day races in the
winter!

In La Course En Tete Merckx says something along the lines
of, "They say that cakes are bad for Cyclists. It's not
the cakes. It's the mountains that are bad for cyclists."

I remember that--great line!

Steve

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Dave, That's a lot of hostility there my man. I suggest
you come of the steroids a bit, or the crack or whatever
you are doing, nad take some anger management class.
Chilll

Like I give a [censored] what you suggest

Yeah really...who is this chump? Where did anyone say that
Ullrich was going to come out and impress "fat old man"
right from March on up to the Tour? Besides, it was widely
reported that Jan had a virus in January and his whole
program was pushed back several (4 to 6?) weeks. Anyone that
is expecting him to burn up the roads at this point in the
season is not paying attention. All Ullrich needs to be
competitive in the Tour is enough training to get him down
to his fighting weight. He looks lighter this year at this
point than any other season since '97.

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Dave

B. Lafferty said:

In La Course En Tete Merckx says something along the lines
of, "They say that cakes are bad for Cyclists. It's not
the cakes. It's the mountains that are bad for cyclists."

At least if you try to eat them mountains.

--
Perre

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Yeah really...who is this chump? Where did anyone say that
Ullrich was

going

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to come out and impress "fat old man" right from March on
up to the Tour? Besides, it was widely reported that Jan
had a virus in January and his whole program was pushed
back several (4 to 6?) weeks. Anyone that is expecting him
to burn up the roads at this point in the season is not

paying

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attention. All Ullrich needs to be competitive in the Tour
is enough training to get him down to his fighting weight.
He looks lighter this

year

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at this point than any other season since '97.

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And they say that the camera adds weight!

Seriously, if you saw Ullrich or Lance up close you would be
surprised at how lean they are, even in February.

Jeff