another rare marathon death

rick++ said:

Last weekend in Colorado:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/22/sports/s100231D70.DTL

Such deaths are rare: 3-4 a year.
Plus this is an extreme marathon- uphill for over four
thousand feet and into thin enough air that makes
you breathe hard just walking.

Sad story. But having done it myself that is just about the place and
way I'd want to go if I could choose such things. Went out doing what
he loved, god bless him.

Andy

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Went out doing what he loved, god bless him.

Sort of like getting shot in the back while having wild sex with your
best friend's wife.

How can it be "rare", if it's "another"? And why do we even bother
scraping these extreme athletes off the ground when they kill
themselves? It seems like having their bleached bones laying around
would send a message to the rest of those mouth breathers, to actually
think twice about something.

rick++ said:

thin enough air that makes
you breathe hard just walking.

Better watch out Rick, just one glimpse of a birdie, and you might
hyperventilate.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:10:36 -0400, [email hidden] (Miss Anne

Thrope) said:

It seems like having their bleached bones laying around
would send a message to the rest of those mouth breathers, to actually
think twice about something.

She actually has a valid point here...

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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Last weekend in Colorado:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/22/sports/s100231D70.DTL

Such deaths are rare: 3-4 a year.
Plus this is an extreme marathon- uphill for over four
thousand feet and into thin enough air that makes
you breathe hard just walking.

I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places
like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?

-DF

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Last weekend in Colorado:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/22/sports/s100231D70.DTL

Such deaths are rare: 3-4 a year.

Hey Rick. How many runners die every year from "snarling" tweety bird
attacks?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

I do wonder about how many people die on the couch. Talk about messages.
;-))

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How can it be "rare", if it's "another"? And why do we even bother
scraping these extreme athletes off the ground when they kill
themselves? It seems like having their bleached bones laying around
would send a message to the rest of those mouth breathers, to actually
think twice about something.

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I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places

like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?
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ever heard of a "stadium" DF? c'mon...you're supposed to be a vet.

Doug Freese said:

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Last weekend in Colorado:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/22/sports/s100231D70.DTL

Such deaths are rare: 3-4 a year.
Plus this is an extreme marathon- uphill for over four
thousand feet and into thin enough air that makes
you breathe hard just walking.

7800 ft up (in 13.32 mi) gives a better picture.

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I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places
like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?

That'll help with the hill, but I wouldn't think it would help much with
the altitude. The last death before this one was from Iowa, I think.
Some people react differently to altitude than others.

It's no wonder Matt Carpenter tore up Leadville this year 🙂 It also
shows how a top runner comes back from a disappointing race like he had
last year.

Dot

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I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places

like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?
___

ever heard of a "stadium" DF? c'mon...you're supposed to be a vet.

Those that live in very flat places like Florida and Ok. prefer parking
garages because those can go 10 floors. Stadium stairs are ok but they
don't provide a sustained up. Running up 10 steps and back down,
repeated N times is far different than running up continously for 10
floors. So yes, a step machine and parking garage are much more specific
to a Pikes peak race. Stick to being a redliner playing with age graded
tables to get a win, Bubba.

-DF - the old VET

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Running up 10 steps and back down,

repeated N times is far different than running up continously for 10
floors.
___

c'mon DF, just yanking your chain a bit. seriously...when i said
"stadium"...I am talking about 10 Floors+. I used to do stadiums at
Cal & Stanford...."bowl stadiums" like most college stadiums that
exceed 10+ floors. Hardly "10 steps".

Most folks in any population center in OK & FL are near similar
stadiums.....and I am not so sure there are 10 floor parking garages in
OK.

I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places
like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?

The PP course isnt that steep, it is car-grade.
However, its the thin air that can do you in.
The best preparation would be to sleep and train
at 10,000 feet or so. A good place to do this at
Leadville where there is some housing and topography.

rick++ said:

I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places
like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?

The PP course isnt that steep, it is car-grade.
However, its the thin air that can do you in.
The best preparation would be to sleep and train
at 10,000 feet or so. A good place to do this at
Leadville where there is some housing and topography.

Any nasty bird attacks recorded during that race?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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Running up 10 steps and back down,

repeated N times is far different than running up continously for 10
floors.
___

c'mon DF, just yanking your chain a bit. seriously...when i said
"stadium"...I am talking about 10 Floors+. I used to do stadiums at
Cal & Stanford...."bowl stadiums" like most college stadiums that
exceed 10+ floors. Hardly "10 steps".

Most folks in any population center in OK & FL are near similar
stadiums.....and I am not so sure there are 10 floor parking garages in
OK.

Stairs are different to hills. You need to do work against your body mass (like
hills) but that's where the resemblence ends.

The big difference with hills is that the running surface is inclined (whereas
the surface of a stair is obviously flat). This has a huge effect on the
dynamics of the footstrike.

I sometimes bolt up small staircases as a sort of "high knees" drill. I think
it's an interesting way to train an aspect of speed development, but it is not
the same as running up a hill.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Last weekend in Colorado:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/22/sports/s100231D70.DTL

Such deaths are rare: 3-4 a year.
Plus this is an extreme marathon- uphill for over four
thousand feet and into thin enough air that makes
you breathe hard just walking.

I always wonder how people train for PP when the live in flat places
like Oklahoma. A step machine or Parking garage?

-DF

I trained for PP when I lived on Long Island. My longest run was 15
miles. I figured why be miserable more times than necessary. It helped
that I viewed the "race" as a hike without all the gear. It also helped
that I spent 10 days before the race hiking around Colorado and Utah.

What a place to go.

Andy

Actually the last 2 miles include a bit called the "golden stairs" and
are quite steep. It is just short of a rock scramble. Certainly not car
grade.

Andy