Another proof point for tyler

"Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This [censored] happens ALL the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm

film at six: twins peak.
e-RICHIE

Maybe Tyler will try pulling out a fetus during the next trial.

"Nothing up my sleeve here, but looking in my abdomen...HO, HO, look it
that UCI, it's my twin!"

Maybe it'll explain why he crashes so much too; the fetus is throwing
off his center of gravity.

CH

Rik Van Diesel said:

This [censored] happens ALL the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm

You know what I don't understand is this:
If Hamilton's argument is his missing twin, why not agree to be locked
up for , say 6 months. He doesn't [censored] without some neutral third party
knowing about it. No chance for any injections of anything.

Then, he submits to the blood test again. If he really is a chimera
like he says he is, then he should test positive again. Right?

6 months. Not necessarily really locked up. But with his shadow going
everywhere he goes. Hell, I'll do it for 50K. I'll even go out on
rides with Tyler if he keeps it under 25 or so.

I was also pondering the Linford Christie case, and pure thought
led me to believe that what was considered physically impossible
in 1996 (a response time of less than 1/10 of a second), might
now be. In particular, it seemed to me at the time that Christie
obviously did not anticipate. I was proved correct:

http://www.nserc.ca/news/stories/040806_e.htm

-ilan

Rik Van Diesel a écrit :

Quoted message said:

This [censored] happens ALL the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm

Good read.

RVD

John, the problem is that Tyler tested negative. He showed just enough
activity that the testing facility put a 'negative but funny' tag on
the results and the originator of the test - who we can all agree isn't
exactly a neutral party - changed the negative to positive. He said
that he didn't have any numerical standards but that he knew a positive
when he saw it.

I assume what he meant was that SOME activity combined with a
hematocrit right on the line (Tyler apparently had a 49.8% hematocrit)
was enough to convince him that Tyler was a true positive. Despite the
fact that he was the ONLY positive in the entire Olympics and later the
World Championships.

Without a false positives study the findings are almost preposterous.
His high hematocrit might be because he lives and trains at high
altitude and the Phonak doctors always water him down with saline
solution before races so that there's no questions about his high
hematocrit.

Remember that some significant part of the population has 'unnaturally
high' hematocrit (over 50%) naturally so that isn't some far fetched
idea and Phonak would be unlikely to admit to using IV's to correct
high hematocrit since it would make them look like they were
cooperating with doping.

In the latest Cyclingnews Perez makes a pretty bitter comment that
implies that he and Tyler have been mistreated by the UCI and Phonak
because of the testing which he ALSO claims is false.

Of course Brian would say that they're guilty regardless but who cares
what he thinks?

Tyler tested positive at the Olympics and at the Vuelta.

Tyler got tested again in November 04 and once more (I think) in Feb
05. The latter two were negative....

Is it just a coincidence that he only tests positive in competition?
Makes the vanishing twin seem extremely unlikely.

Rik Van Diesel said:

This [censored] happens ALL the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm

Oh, that's nothing. They found an entire EPO factory in my left
testicle. Which only makes Lance's victories seem all the more remarkable.

"Patricio Carlos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tyler tested positive at the Olympics and at the Vuelta.

Tyler got tested again in November 04 and once more (I think) in Feb
05. The latter two were negative....

Is it just a coincidence that he only tests positive in competition?
Makes the vanishing twin seem extremely unlikely.

Since there is no standard you don't know if his "negative" was any
different from his "positive".

Come back and talk when you have been involved in FACS testing in - in
any of its multitude of uses. Results are clear cut except when they
are done in Greek labs. Have you ever seen a Greek lab at work? The
Athens debacle is less surprising when you have seen one.

Tyler is really clutching at straws with the vanishing twin story when
his tests are not consistently positive.

Tim Lines says...

Quoted message said:

Oh, that's nothing. They found an entire EPO factory in my left
testicle. Which only makes Lance's victories seem all the more remarkable.

So what are you hiding in your right nut - a micro Starbucks?

Never mind, I don't wanna know.

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I wonder if this flab in my gut is actually the fetui of my long lost quadruplet
brothers?

Rik Van Diesel said:

Quoted message said:

This [censored] happens ALL the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm

Tim Lines said:

Oh, that's nothing. They found an entire EPO factory in my left
testicle. Which only makes Lance's victories seem all the more remarkable.

You must be quite popular with female endurance athletes.

"John Rees" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| Rik Van Diesel wrote:
| > This [censored] happens ALL the time.
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| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm
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| You know what I don't understand is this:
| If Hamilton's argument is his missing twin, why not agree to be locked
| up for , say 6 months. He doesn't [censored] without some neutral third party
| knowing about it. No chance for any injections of anything.
|

WADA has no interest in doing such a thing. They're satisfied of Tyler's
guilt. Tyler on the other hand does have an interest in doing such a thing.
But in order to do it, he needs to have the testing protocol which was used,
so he can follow it. He (and his lawyers) have been asking for the testing
protocol from the beginning, but WADA won't give it to them.

http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

Mad Dog said:

Tim Lines says...

Quoted message said:

Oh, that's nothing. They found an entire EPO factory in my left
testicle. Which only makes Lance's victories seem all the more remarkable.

So what are you hiding in your right nut - a micro Starbucks?

MICRO!?!? HEY! What are you trying to imply?

Donald Munro said:

Rik Van Diesel said:

Quoted message said:

This [censored] happens ALL the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm

Quoted message said:

Tim Lines said:

Oh, that's nothing. They found an entire EPO factory in my left
testicle. Which only makes Lance's victories seem all the more remarkable.

Quoted message said:

You must be quite popular with female endurance athletes.

heather prefers sprinters.

Bob Schwartz
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Tim Lines said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh, that's nothing. They found an entire EPO factory in my left
testicle. Which only makes Lance's victories seem all the more remarkable.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

You must be quite popular with female endurance athletes.

Bob Schwartz said:

heather prefers sprinters.

I thought she preferred pursuiters, albeit one at a time.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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Tyler tested positive at the Olympics and at the Vuelta.

He didn't test positive at the Olympics. That is why he got to keep his
medal.
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Tyler tested positive at the Olympics and at the Vuelta.

Quoted message said:

He didn't test positive at the Olympics. That is why he got to keep his
medal.

He did test positive at the Olympics. Haven't we been though
this before? The positive positive positive positive positive
positive positive positive positive positive positive positive
positive positive positive positive positive positive positive
test was invalidated by the destruction of the B sample.

That's why he still has the medal. But you knew that.

Bob Schwartz
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Patricio, if I understand what you mean, you're saying that the Greek
lab simply screwed up the results. All of that is fine but explain why
there have been only TWO positives for blood packing in cycling when
this was supposedly so wide-spread? I mean, we did discuss how unlikely
it would be for an endurance athlete at these guys level to be able to
'save' up blood for autologous transfusions so it's homologous or
nothing.

If it is "nothing" than why has so much effort been put into this
testing procedure and why aren't WADA releasing their testing protocol?

(Note: if "nothing" then perhaps that explains why they don't wish to
do a false positives test series.)