Another Mountain Biker Dies

He wasn't mountain biking when he died, Dingleberry. Based on you posting
this I'm suprised you don't notify us anytime anyone who has ever been on a
mountain bike dies, even if it's sitting in front of his/her TV eating
Cheetos.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You're an ass. These posts do nothing but demean the lives of adventurous
outdoors people. And these posts show what a pathetic little agoraphobic
creepy little troll you are.

Greg

Chris Glidden said:

He wasn't mountain biking when he died, Dingleberry. Based on you
posting this I'm suprised you don't notify us anytime anyone who has
ever been on a mountain bike dies, even if it's sitting in front of
his/her TV eating Cheetos.

If he gets notice of it, he will.

(Isn't it Mikey who usually claims he doesn't want to restrict access to
"bikers", but just their BIKES?!?)

Hypocrisy and Bigotry, thy names are Vandemoonpie... (no) BS

G.T. said:

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You're an ass. These posts do nothing but demean the lives of
adventurous outdoors people. And these posts show what a pathetic
little agoraphobic creepy little troll you are.

Also, since the Mad Do(r)c has /himself/ ridden a mountain bike, then by
definition HE'S a mountain biker and when he dies he should post it on here!

Might be a good read... (no) BS

At Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:49:59 GMT, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Mike
Vandeman <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
following:

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His love for the outdoors led to his death Friday when he slipped and fell 1,500
feet while climbing solo on Mount Hood in Oregon.

Even more irrelevant than your usual vacuous [censored]. Clearly your
time away has done you no good whatsoever.

Guy
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MICHAEL J VANDEMAN, YOU MORON!

The death you are reporting is of a man that while he certainly enjoyed
mountain biking, slipped and fel to his death while climbing. HE WAS NOT
RIDING A BIKE.

What's with you, do you have a robot that scours newspaper articles looking
for "mountain bike" and have it fabricate a Subject Line and cross-post it
all across usenet?

You should read the [censored] your robot finds before you allow it to press the
Send button.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 12:00 A.M. Pacific

Todd Engelhardt loved hiking, climbing, biking

By LISA CHIU
Seattle Times staff reporter

Those who knew Todd Engelhardt said the same thing about the fun-loving
outdoorsman: He was a considerate friend, a voracious eater and a

jokester, and

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that children always seemed to flock to him.

But what friends and family remember most about the 34-year-old Seattle

man was

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his love of the wilderness. It was Mr. Engelhardt's joy for hiking,

mountain

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biking and climbing that led him to move to the Pacific Northwest from

Ohio 10

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years ago, first to Portland and then to Seattle two years ago.

HIS LOVE FOR THE OUTDOORS LED TO HIS DEATH FRIDAY WHEN HE SLIPPED AND FELL

1,500

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FEET WHILE CLIMBING SOLO ON MOUNT HOOD IN OREGON. <EMPHISIS ADDED-

JStrickland>

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You're an ass. These posts do nothing but demean the lives of adventurous
outdoors people. And these posts show what a pathetic little agoraphobic
creepy little troll you are.

He is an ass, you are right about that. But, the posts do nothing to demean
adventerous outdoors people, they only demean poor Mikey, and they serve to
underscore just how pathetic he is.

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:

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Umm Mikey put your bi-focals on old man he was climbing when he died not
mtn biking.

Hey I want to thank you by the way, I'm following the rule that
whenever you post I have to go for a ride. Thanks to you I'm riding
better and harder then I ever have not to being in the best shape I've
ever been in.

I'd like to suggest an addition to the rule that whenever you post we
go for a ride.

I'd like to add that every 5th post by you we do trail work, either
maintaince or expanding a current trail, or even better develop a new
trail. With permission of the land owners of course.

Jason

Jason said:

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:

<<typical dribble cut out>>

Umm Mikey put your bi-focals on old man he was climbing when he died not
mtn biking.

Hey I want to thank you by the way, I'm following the rule that
whenever you post I have to go for a ride. Thanks to you I'm riding
better and harder then I ever have not to being in the best shape I've
ever been in.

I'd like to suggest an addition to the rule that whenever you post we
go for a ride.

I'd like to add that every 5th post by you we do trail work, either
maintaince or expanding a current trail, or even better develop a new
trail. With permission of the land owners of course.

Jason

Dittos,
The more posts from Mikey the more we ride! He is finally helping to
expand the sport!!

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And we thought you were gone. But never fear, there have been several
other fruit cakes lately cross posting from other groups to take your place.

Another mt biker dies....?
1. This "mt biker" was not riding a bicycle
2. He was doing exactly what MV wanted him to do (left his bike at home)
3. MV again uses death to further his agenda
4. MV's credibility has now fallen completely

Below is reposted for the benefit of MV and anyone else who may have any
leaning to believe anything he says

Ecocriticism as applied by Michael J. Vandeman, PHD

MV has been noteably missing from the ng lately. Why? Perhaps it may be the
current schedule of the "Sixth Biennial Conference of the Association for
the Study of Literature and Environment" which is going today (June 21) to
June 25. His name shows up as presenting, yet again, his "Wildlife Need
Habitat Off Limits To Humans" paper. *Also presented at the same Conference
in 1998 in Nevada.
His presentation, like others scheduled for Saturday, June 25 between 8:00AM
and 9:15AM, is slated for 15 minutes. (strictly adhered to, so says the
agenda for the conference.)
If you would like to attend, it is going on at the University of Oregon in
Eugene.
This conference has a focus on "ecocritism", literature and ecological basis
within literature from the standpoint of criticism, discussion and exploring
relationships between human culture and the natural environment.
Naturally, this would seem to fall right in line with the philosophy of
nature as presented by MV. Closer examination of the goals and definitions
of an "ecocritic" may show otherwise. On the surface, MV does present his
"review" of several books and articles on wildlife and humanity. Go beyond
his own claim of critical review, and one can find MV has an agenda which
runs to the extreme for ecology and preservation. It is this agenda which MV
firmly stands upon that also discredits any discourse he may present by
referencing the works of other writers in the field.
To begin, MV seems to fall into the category:
"As historians and literary critics sometimes move beyond traditional
literary and historical studies of intersecting American nature and culture
toward the question of what it would mean to act wisely, many of us now
study to inform, that people may live well, and as we now say, sustainably."

There is also an aspect of vindication for MV and his continued and often
argumentative statements concerning wildlife and trails in regards to
off-road cycling:
"ECOCRITICISM FOCUSES on literary (and artistic) expression of human
experience primarily in a naturally and consequently in a culturally shaped
world: the joys of abundance, sorrows of deprivation, hopes for harmonious
existence, and fears of loss and disaster. Ecocriticism has an agenda. As a
feminist film theorist says to an Israeli semiotician in a recent novel of
academic life, "Ecocriticism's new, still finding its feet, but it offers a
broad vision of life and our place in nature. It could help you out of the
bind you're in now, caught inside a self-enclosed definition of culture that
only mirrors your own obnoxious little self-regarding angst-ridden
egomaniacal crypto-smugness." The response she gets is not surprising:
"Culture is a refuge from life in nature, not a part of it . ..." In
ecocriticism, positions reveal themselves as persons. So the voice of
ecocriticism speaks as an American woman here, speaks as if she were nature
and as if speaking to culture. When culture dismisses her position, and
herself, the process would seem to be self-defeating. If you want to be an
ecocritic, be prepared to explain what you do and be criticized, if not
satirized."

Note the last phrase: "be prepared to explain what you do and be criticized,
if not satirized."
Is it possible MV takes this statement, or similar viewpoint, to accept the
criticism and satire of his own statements as necessary roadblocks in the
path of his goal? If so, it plays into his own ego as being "smarter" or
"better educated" than his detractors by simply dismissing anything brought
forth as being unimportant because it can not possibly match the scale, or
importance, of his message. He than can justify, because of this moral
platform built on the premise that his views are so beyond our comprehension
that he will be vilified anyway, the arguments he presents and the use of
terms such as "stupid", "moronic" and "ignorant" when countering any
viewpoint not matching his own.

More to the point, and thankfully and finally, MV falls short as an
"ecocritic" as shown below:
"Interesting critics do not simply choose ideas and authors that best fit a
pre-arranged interior cognitive décor. The purpose of subjecting texts and
authors to critical inquiry is not simply to search for authority to
buttress an argument or perspective. Criticism is not the same as
sermonizing; it must be able to entertain ideas as they are established."

MV fails by choosing texts which, by his presentation, support his position.
He often pulls selective quotes or passages from the whole to support his
statements and philosophy. This diminishes his own statements and belittles
the works he cites. His argumentative statements reduce any discussion of
ideas into positions of extremism which can not be resolved. This, so far as
I have been able to determine, counters the goals of "ecocritics" and
environmentalism in general.

To see the website and agenda for the Sixth Biennial Conference of the
Association for the Study of Literature and Environment
go here: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~smcfarla/index.html

To see the text quoted above in context, see "Blues in the Green -
Ecocriticism under Critique" here:
http://www.asle.umn.edu/archive/intro/cohen.html#FOOT4

M Vandeman's website is here: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/

S Curtiss
Naturally Occuring Human and Offroad cyclist

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 12:00 A.M. Pacific

Todd Engelhardt loved hiking, climbing, biking

By LISA CHIU
Seattle Times staff reporter

Those who knew Todd Engelhardt said the same thing about the fun-loving
outdoorsman: He was a considerate friend, a voracious eater and a
jokester, and
that children always seemed to flock to him.

But what friends and family remember most about the 34-year-old Seattle
man was
his love of the wilderness. It was Mr. Engelhardt's joy for hiking,
mountain
biking and climbing that led him to move to the Pacific Northwest from
Ohio 10
years ago, first to Portland and then to Seattle two years ago.

His love for the outdoors led to his death Friday when he slipped and fell
1,500
feet while climbing solo on Mount Hood in Oregon.

Friends and family members said that Mr. Engelhardt was an experienced
climber
who knew the risks involved and find solace that he died pursuing his
life's
passion.

"The last thing he said to me was, 'I'll be thinking about you the whole
way
up,' " said Mr. Engelhardt's girlfriend, Christy Bemis, of their last
conversation Thursday night. "And I said, 'I'll be thinking about you the
whole
day tomorrow.' "

Sheriff's deputies discovered Mr. Engelhardt's body early Friday after two
climbers, Dan and Darin Pfeiffer, witnessed his fall.

"He looked like he had decided to back out of the climb, and he was
clearly
descending," said Dan Pfeiffer of Portland, who was with his brother,
Darin.

"I kept an eye on (Mr. Engelhardt) and saw that he started to slide, then
I
heard him cry out and start to tumble. It was horrible, the fear in his
voice
was something I'll never forget."

Mr. Engelhardt was born Aug. 12, 1970, in Hanover, Pa., and grew up in
Granville, Ohio. He attended Miami University in Ohio before moving West
to
follow his passion for the outdoors. After he moved to Seattle in 2003, he
worked as a server at the Elliott Bay Brewery Pub.

Mr. Engelhardt's father, Paul Engelhardt of Hanover, Pa., said he last
spoke
with his son on Father's Day.

"I just can't tell you how tough this has been," Paul Engelhardt said. "He
said
he was going hiking that day and was getting ready but wanted to wish me a
happy
Father's Day. I'll remember that as long as I live. I would always tell
him to
be safe, and he would always say, 'Dad, I always climb safe.' "

Bemis, Mr. Engelhardt's girlfriend, said though his love of climbing
worried
her, she never tried to discourage him.

"I loved who he was and wasn't going to change any of that," Bemis said.
"He
knew the risks. He called me the night before and said, 'I'm in the best
shape
I've ever been in my life.' "

In addition to his father, survivors include his mother, Beth Yaekle of
Granville, Ohio.

Services have not yet been scheduled.

Donations may be made to The Mountaineers, 300 Third Ave. W., Seattle, WA
98119.

Lisa Chiu: 206-464-2349 or [email hidden]

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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mikey, you need to get some help for your problem. Here's a link for you.
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/publications/gaskell/samplechaps/75_7.pdf If you
read the article closely you should be able to determine the person died due
to a climbing accident. Also, since you're so concerned about the climber's
death maybe you should send a donation to his family.
Ron

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Jason said:

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:
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Hey I want to thank you by the way, I'm following the rule that whenever
you post I have to go for a ride. Thanks to you I'm riding better and
harder then I ever have not to being in the best shape I've ever been in.

I'd like to suggest an addition to the rule that whenever you post we go
for a ride. I'd like to add that every 5th post by you we do trail work,
either maintaince or expanding a current trail, or even better develop a
new trail. With permission of the land owners of course.

Dittos,
The more posts from Mikey the more we ride! He is finally helping to
expand the sport!!

The Mike Vandeman Project really should be codified.

[1] Everyday he posts take one offroad ride.
[2] Every day he makes more than 3 posts, do an extra 10 km of trail
riding.
[3] For every 5th post undertake a trail improvement project.
[4] For very 10th post take a photo of a favoured trail and post a link so
he can see what he is accomplishing.
[5] For every 25th post adopt a trail and name it in his honour.

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I am working on creating an internet that is off-limits to
Mike Vandeman ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
minutes fighting trolls and spammers)

http:[email hidden]/degree.mill.dr.vandeman

The challenge: To take one offroad ride of at least 10 km for every 4
posts Mikey makes, so that he is contributing to the growth and
popularization of the sport of mountain biking.

The homage: To adopt a mountain bike trail in Mikey's name
Name Suggestions to date:

Mike Vandeman's Manic Velopath
Mikey's Crazy Trail
The Honourable Michael J. Vandeman PhD Mountain Bike Trail
Mikey Likes Bikes
Vandeman's Velopath
Mike's Bike & Hike
Mike's Extreme Mountain Ride
Vandeman's Idiot Road
Mike's Singletrack Mind
Vandeman Trail to Perdition (Keep off the grass!)
Mr. Chode's Wild Ride
Crackmonkey express
Mikey's Idiot Loop

New suggestions welcome

* lowkey <[email hidden]>:

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Jason said:

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:
<<typical dribble cut out>>

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Quoted message said:

Hey I want to thank you by the way, I'm following the rule that whenever
you post I have to go for a ride. Thanks to you I'm riding better and
harder then I ever have not to being in the best shape I've ever been in.

I'd like to suggest an addition to the rule that whenever you post we go
for a ride. I'd like to add that every 5th post by you we do trail work,
either maintaince or expanding a current trail, or even better develop a
new trail. With permission of the land owners of course.

Dittos,
The more posts from Mikey the more we ride! He is finally helping to
expand the sport!!

The Mike Vandeman Project really should be codified.

[1] Everyday he posts take one offroad ride.
[2] Every day he makes more than 3 posts, do an extra 10 km of trail
riding.
[3] For every 5th post undertake a trail improvement project.
[4] For very 10th post take a photo of a favoured trail and post a link so
he can see what he is accomplishing.
[5] For every 25th post adopt a trail and name it in his honour.

Very nice additions lowkey. 🙂

Jason

I do this already, the more people complain *irrationally* about any
activity i do the more i do it.

J

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The Mike Vandeman Project really should be codified.

[1] Everyday he posts take one offroad ride.
[2] Every day he makes more than 3 posts, do an extra 10 km of trail
riding.
[3] For every 5th post undertake a trail improvement project.
[4] For very 10th post take a photo of a favoured trail and post a link so
he can see what he is accomplishing.
[5] For every 25th post adopt a trail and name it in his honour.

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New suggestions welcome

Can we back-date this too, 'til about 1995?

J

lowkey said:

The homage: To adopt a mountain bike trail in Mikey's name
Name Suggestions to date:

Mike Vandeman's Manic Velopath
Mikey's Crazy Trail
The Honourable Michael J. Vandeman PhD Mountain Bike Trail
Mikey Likes Bikes
Vandeman's Velopath
Mike's Bike & Hike
Mike's Extreme Mountain Ride
Vandeman's Idiot Road
Mike's Singletrack Mind
Vandeman Trail to Perdition (Keep off the grass!)
Mr. Chode's Wild Ride
Crackmonkey express
Mikey's Idiot Loop

New suggestions welcome

I've got one: Vandeman's Psycho Path.

Oooo, or this: Death to Whipsnakes!

Vandeman's Downhill Slide?

OK, enough already.

E.P.

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Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 12:00 A.M. Pacific

Todd Engelhardt loved hiking, climbing, biking

Uhhhhh, right. Didn't he die climbing!?

Nit picking old fogey.

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He wasn't mountain biking when he died, Dingleberry. Based on you posting
this I'm suprised you don't notify us anytime anyone who has ever been on
a mountain bike dies, even if it's sitting in front of his/her TV eating
Cheetos.

*bingo*