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  1. I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I
    am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as boring as
    most have been in recent years (excluding last year which
    had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages. On the first
    or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set
    a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant
    Spanish riders will attack. LA will cover them and then
    either set such a high tempo no one else attacks, or launch
    an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets competitors.
    From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

  2. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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  3. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour,
    however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have
    been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA &
    Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish
    riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo
    no one else attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3
    minutes out of closets competitors. From that time on, LA
    will simply follow the wheels of his competitors and win a
    sixth TDF. BORING!

    For those of us routing for Lance, it's pretty exciting. Try
    it ... or you could try the world poker championships as
    Jiyang suggested. At least I think that's what he suggested.

    Bob C.

  4. That's the way it was shaping up when Indurain got his ass
    handed to him after cracking up the hill.

    I still remember seeing that live in RAI... I was hopping up
    and down and yelling at the TV:-)

    --
    David N. Welton Personal: dedasys.comdavidw
    Free Software: dedasys.comfreesoftware Apache
    Tcl: tcl.apache.orgtcl.apache.org Photos:
    dedasys.comphotos

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Rude Dog

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as
    boring as most have been in recent years (excluding last
    year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages. On the
    first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties
    will set a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few
    errant Spanish riders will attack. LA will cover them and
    then either set such a high tempo no one else attacks, or
    launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the
    wheels of his competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very wrong.
    I'm a big LA fan and frankly hope it comes out the way you
    are suggesting but I would suggest that if you look at what
    is scheduled the last week of the tour, you might figure out
    that this race won't be decided until that week. A lot of
    folks are thinking Alp d'Huez will decide but my personal
    guess is that while the TT will break things up some, it
    will be DECIDED the day AFTER Alp d'Huez. At that point, the
    most fit and most prepared will win. Personally, I would not
    bet against LA and Postal but Ullrich and Hamilton are very,
    very strong and I'm not yet ready to count out Mayo and E-E
    or even Saeco. Mayo took a bad whack yesterday and today but
    if he takes 2 minutes out of Lance on Alp d'Huez like he did
    last month on the Ventoux, this is still a race.

    In the meantime, winning stages is important in its own
    right and there are great battles for jerseys other than
    yellow. While I, like most people, may be most interested in
    the GC, each day brings its own delights. If you find it
    boring, then don't watch but I think you are going to miss
    some interesting days ahead given to us by a whole field of
    GREAT cyclists.

    In this regard, those who feel they can only root for
    their favorite, whether that favorite be Armstrong,
    Hamilton, Ullrich, Mayo, or any of the other almost 200
    riders, by calling the opponents scatological names and
    denigrating their honor prove to me nothing except they
    aren't really fans. For me, there isn't a man in this race
    who doesn't simply blow me away with what he can and will
    do on a bike whether it be Armstrong's day-in-day-out
    drive to win this race, Hamilton's extreme courage and
    perseverence as demonstrated in last years tour winning a
    stage with a broken collar bone, Ullrich's all round
    strength, Mayo's ability to climb, the sprinters sheer
    speed at the end of enormously long stages, the
    domestiques strength in coming out day after day to do
    work that I couldn't do for an hour much less three weeks,
    or those poor devils who crashed during the first stage
    and got back up and kept riding knowing that they had
    three weeks of pain in front of them and there weren't
    going to be any awards probably at any point.

    I'll cheer for each and every one of them and I will be
    excited when they succeed at whatever it is they succeed at
    whether it be Phonak putting in a great time with only five
    riders and after Hamilton had to actually STOP for a team
    mate, Noval dragging his butt in just under the DQ time so
    he can ride again tomorrow, Cancellera in tears of joy and
    disbelief after winning the Prologue and the yellow jersey,
    or Lance Armstrong (or anyone else who manages to beat him)
    riding down the Champs Elysees in victory. Who knows what
    joys and excitements this tour will bring but if you weren't
    excited last yaer at watching Hamilton climbing Bagargui
    last year even though he had virtually no chance of a podium
    or when Ullrich won the first individual TT last year while
    Lance more or less bonked , or by watching Petacchi's
    sprints, or watching the day Richard Virenque, a Frenchman,
    broke away and won the first mountain stage then you simply
    weren't paying attention.

    When I think of the big events of last year, the first year
    when I really got to see more of the Tour than a half hour
    on Sunday on CBS, very few of those events that stay in my
    mind had anything to do with the overall win; it was about
    superlative performances by superlative riders on
    superlative bikes who on any one particular day make me want
    to stand up and cheer. The same will be true this year right
    up until the final sprint in Paris; in the meantime, I think
    we still might see a very very good bike race for the GC if
    if LA is IMHO (you are free to disagree hopefully with
    respect) the class of the field in the Tour again this year.
    Whatever, it all brings joy to my heart.

    Sorry; here endeth the lesson.

    --
    James P. Spencer Rochester, MN

    "Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges!"

  6. Very well said !! Go Armstrong !!
    "James Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rude Dog

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour,
    however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have
    been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA &
    Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish
    riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo
    no one else attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3
    minutes out of closets competitors. From that time on,
    LA will simply follow the wheels of his competitors and
    win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very
    wrong. I'm a big LA fan and frankly hope it comes out the
    way you are suggesting but I would suggest that if you
    look at what is scheduled the last week of the tour, you
    might figure out that this race won't be decided until
    that week. A lot of folks are thinking Alp d'Huez will
    decide but my personal guess is that while the TT will
    break things up some, it will be DECIDED the day AFTER Alp
    d'Huez. At that point, the most fit and most prepared will
    win. Personally, I would not bet against LA and Postal but
    Ullrich and Hamilton are very, very strong and I'm not yet
    ready to count out Mayo and E-E or even Saeco. Mayo took a
    bad whack yesterday and today but if he takes 2 minutes
    out of Lance on Alp d'Huez like he did last month on the
    Ventoux, this is still a race.

    In the meantime, winning stages is important in its own
    right and there are great battles for jerseys other than
    yellow. While I, like most people, may be most interested
    in the GC, each day brings its own delights. If you find
    it boring, then don't watch but I think you are going to
    miss some interesting days ahead given to us by a whole
    field of GREAT cyclists.

    In this regard, those who feel they can only root for
    their favorite, whether that favorite be Armstrong,
    Hamilton, Ullrich, Mayo, or any of the other almost 200
    riders, by calling the opponents scatological names and
    denigrating their honor prove to me nothing except they
    aren't really fans. For me, there isn't a man in this race
    who doesn't simply blow me away with what he can and will
    do on a bike whether it be Armstrong's day-in-day-out
    drive to win this race, Hamilton's extreme courage and
    perseverence as demonstrated in last years tour winning a
    stage with a broken collar bone, Ullrich's all round
    strength, Mayo's ability to climb, the sprinters sheer
    speed at the end of enormously long stages, the
    domestiques strength in coming out day after day to do
    work that I couldn't do for an hour much less three weeks,
    or those poor devils who crashed during the first stage
    and got back up and kept riding knowing that they had
    three weeks of pain in front of them and there weren't
    going to be any awards probably at any point.

    I'll cheer for each and every one of them and I will be
    excited when they succeed at whatever it is they succeed
    at whether it be Phonak putting in a great time with only
    five riders and after Hamilton had to actually STOP for a
    team mate, Noval dragging his butt in just under the DQ
    time so he can ride again tomorrow, Cancellera in tears of
    joy and disbelief after winning the Prologue and the
    yellow jersey, or Lance Armstrong (or anyone else who
    manages to beat him) riding down the Champs Elysees in
    victory. Who knows what joys and excitements this tour
    will bring but if you weren't excited last yaer at
    watching Hamilton climbing Bagargui last year even though
    he had virtually no chance of a podium or when Ullrich won
    the first individual TT last year while Lance more or less
    bonked , or by watching Petacchi's sprints, or watching
    the day Richard Virenque, a Frenchman, broke away and won
    the first mountain stage then you simply weren't paying
    attention.

    When I think of the big events of last year, the first
    year when I really got to see more of the Tour than a half
    hour on Sunday on CBS, very few of those events that stay
    in my mind had anything to do with the overall win; it was
    about superlative performances by superlative riders on
    superlative bikes who on any one particular day make me
    want to stand up and cheer. The same will be true this
    year right up until the final sprint in Paris; in the
    meantime, I think we still might see a very very good bike
    race for the GC if if LA is IMHO (you are free to disagree
    hopefully with respect) the class of the field in the Tour
    again this year. Whatever, it all brings joy to my heart.

    Sorry; here endeth the lesson.

    --
    James P. Spencer Rochester, MN

    "Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges!"

  7. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour,
    however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have
    been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    You know it wouldn't be half so boring if you understood the
    sport at all.

  8. Rude Dog said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as
    boring as most have been in recent years (excluding last
    year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages. On the
    first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties
    will set a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few
    errant Spanish riders will attack. LA will cover them and
    then either set such a high tempo no one else attacks, or
    launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the
    wheels of his competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Its called DOMINATION!

  9. "James Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rude Dog

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour,
    however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have
    been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA &
    Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish
    riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo
    no one else attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3
    minutes out of closets competitors. From that time on,
    LA will simply follow the wheels of his competitors and
    win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very
    wrong. I'm a big LA fan and frankly hope it comes out the
    way you are suggesting but I would suggest that if you
    look at what is scheduled the last week of the tour, you
    might figure out that this race won't be decided until
    that week. A lot of folks are thinking Alp d'Huez will
    decide but my personal guess is that while the TT will
    break things up some, it will be DECIDED the day AFTER Alp
    d'Huez. At that point, the most fit and most prepared will
    win. Personally, I would not bet against LA and Postal but
    Ullrich and Hamilton are very, very strong and I'm not yet
    ready to count out Mayo and E-E or even Saeco. Mayo took a
    bad whack yesterday and today but if he takes 2 minutes
    out of Lance on Alp d'Huez like he did last month on the
    Ventoux, this is still a race.

    I've been thinking the same thing, that it'll be the same
    predictable Lanceathon. My SO said,"It's like the same
    soap opera every day" and I said, "But soaps are different
    every day- there never any repeats!" It's like everything
    USPS does is so PERFECT... but they do the same thing all
    the time, I keep hoping something will happen to break up
    their juggernaut. ALready though, poor Mayo is out of the
    GC race. He'll have to get stage wins or KOM points. But
    he'll survive and come back and do another tour, he's
    pretty young.

  10. Rude Dog said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as
    boring as most have been in recent years (excluding last
    year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages. On the
    first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties
    will set a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few
    errant Spanish riders will attack. LA will cover them and
    then either set such a high tempo no one else attacks, or
    launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the
    wheels of his competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Maybe someone will reach over and bump Lance's rear
    brake pad.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall
    "We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
    a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
    them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
    could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
    instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

  11. Rude Dog said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as
    boring as most have been in recent years (excluding last
    year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages. On the
    first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties
    will set a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few
    errant Spanish riders will attack. LA will cover them and
    then either set such a high tempo no one else attacks, or
    launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the
    wheels of his competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    To be precise, the second day, Plateau de Beille. Lance will
    have ~5 minutes after stage 13. No opponent will be
    permitted to close within 3 minutes after that.

    Then again, I could be wrong.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall
    "We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
    a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
    them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
    could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
    instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

  12. James Spencer said:


    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very,
    very wrong.


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever, it all brings joy to my heart.

    Sorry; here endeth the lesson.

    Too bad you couldn't have taken the time to explain why
    you like watching the tour.

    Just kidding! Very well said. And in any case, the tour
    is far from over. Lance is putting his stamp on it
    already and, as an avowed fan, that is exciting to
    watch. But anything can happen.

    Thanks for the reminder of how much fun watching the
    previous year's race was.

    --
    Hank Barta beautiful sunny Winfield, Illinois

  13. Tom you are such a ignoramus...

    you think anyone with a dissenting opinion doesn't
    understand the sport. I understand the sport very well
    having ridden on a professional team as a Cat 1 and having
    promoted over 200 races, I am qualified to make an
    observation that this tour will likely be boring.

    "Tom Kunich" > You know it wouldn't be half so boring if you
    understood the sport at all.<

  14. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour,
    however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have
    been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA &
    Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish
    riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo
    no one else attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3
    minutes out of closets competitors. From that time on,
    LA will simply follow the wheels of his competitors and
    win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    For those of us routing for Lance, it's pretty exciting.
    Try it ... or


    you

    Quoted message said:

    could try the world poker championships as Jiyang
    suggested. At least I think that's what he suggested.

    Bob C.

    I'm all for Lance but the Dog is correct. It is boring. What
    the hell is up with Ullrich? Damn. He's not lost it, but he
    does have his work cut out for him... Maybe by Lance's tenth
    TdF he will be weak enough to provide us with some three
    weeks of fine bicycle racing entertainment!

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as boring
    as most have been in recent years (excluding last year
    which had some excitement). Here is what will happen: Lance
    and team will keep everything contained until the mountain
    stages. On the first or second day of the mountain stages,
    LA & Posties will set a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby,
    Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack. LA will
    cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one
    else attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes
    out of closets competitors. From that time on, LA will
    simply follow the wheels of his competitors and win a sixth
    TDF. BORING!

    That is one possible scenario. But who knows what will
    actually happen.
    -------------
    Alex

  16. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as
    boring as most have been in recent years (excluding last
    year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen: Lance and team will keep
    everything contained until the mountain stages. On the
    first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties
    will set a high tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few
    errant Spanish riders will attack. LA will cover them and
    then either set such a high tempo no one else attacks, or
    launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the
    wheels of his competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Maybe that's what you expect to happen, but you're a fool to
    think that's the only way it can go down.

    Shame on you for thinking the world's greatest spectacle in
    sport is some predetermined slog around France! AND you were
    a professional racer? Inexcusable!

    Roland

  17. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Tom you are such a ignoramus... you think anyone with a
    dissenting opinion doesn't understand the sport. I
    understand the sport very well having ridden on a
    professional team as a Cat 1 and having promoted over 200
    races, I am qualified to make an observation that this
    tour will likely be boring.

    SN Junior, So why the juvenile "Rude Dog" sobriquet? Too
    afraid to use your real name?

    Tour 2004 is freaking FAR from boring. Do you get OLN? Ever
    raced in super windy and wet conditions Junior?

    -Ken

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Kunich" > You know it wouldn't be half so boring if
    you understood the sport at all.<

  18. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however,
    I am disappointed this tour looks like it will be as
    boring as most have been in recent years

    no [censored] dumbass, that's why the real fans only get fired up
    for the classics.

  19. Uhhh... my name is Rude. I am Native American, the "dog"
    part is a nickname.

    However, I do stand corrected... The Tour De France GC RACE
    IS BORING!

    The stage yesterday was very exciting!

    Rude

  20. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Uhhh... my name is Rude. I am Native American, the "dog"
    part is a nickname.

    However, I do stand corrected... The Tour De France GC
    RACE IS BORING! The stage yesterday was very exciting!

    Well at least that's good to hear.

    Quoted message said:


    Rude

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