Another clueless writer

Patrick O'Grady wrote some stuff...

P O'G reads UseNet?!?!? Kewl!!!

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"Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 23:01:54 -0500, "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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For what it's worth, NASCAR is terrible.

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-Luigi

Or a fine spectator "sport," depending on your perspective. The Bobby Labonte (NASCAR driver) front
tag on my car doesn't mean I can't also have a "Ride With Lance" sticker on one window, a "Share the
Road" sticker on the rear bumper, and my LBS's logo sticker on another window. Actually, I figure it
can't hurt if the other western North & South Carolina rednecks see a NASCAR tag on a foreign car
carrying a road bike. Now if I could just find a Dale Jr. cycling jersey, every pickup truck driver
would give me a friendly wave instead of the "You're number one" greeting.

mike

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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:00:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Patrick

O'Grady) said:

In article said:

Check out this column published on the front page of the sports section in Monday's edition of The Tennessean (Nashville, TN)

And my reply, which I emailed to Larry Woody and also posted on my club's web site at mborobike.comdiscind.htmOpen ↗

Ed,

Speaking as a writer whose editors relish hate mail (it lets them know that people are reading), I recommend ignoring clumsy little digs like this one from Larry Woody (tennessean.comwoodyOpen ↗). Besides, anyone who writes for money and doesn't know the difference between "peddling" and "pedaling" is too dim to argue with. Bantering with nitwits like this is hardly sporting, on a par with shooting puppies at the pound.

BTW, Woody also forgot to mention that Hemingway was mad for bike racing and wrote admiringly of the sport. In "The End of an Avocation," in "A Moveable Feast," Hemingway wrote: "I have started many stories about bicycle racing but have never written one that is as good as the races are both on the indoor and outdoor tracks and on the roads."

Cheers,

Patrick O'Grady Mad Dog Media maddogmedia.commaddogmedia.comOpen ↗

Your right. I'm 52 years old and have never written a letter to a newspaper, and I figured (to quote a line from "Calendar Girls"😉 if I don't put 'em out there now I never will.

I did actually get a response, which I won't quote here, but it was pretty brief and said, in (only slightly paraphrased) , "I've been covering sports for 32 years and know what I'm talking about." I really didn't expect a response at all, but getting one, I expected it to be intelligent, engaging, perhaps even witty. But it was none of that.

Actually I should have known better. The sports section of the Tennessean is pretty dismal. I'll spare the ng the non-cycling examples. Let's just say that coverage is based more on the personal interests of the writers and editors than what's going on in the world of sports --- even local sports. Definately redneck.

And us coners, i.e. sonarmen, thank you for all of that lovely fresh water!!

John

"Max" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:betatron-
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NASCAR drivers endure heat stress! And noise!

wowie wow wow!

.max i spent a few years in the engineroom of a nuculer submarine. way hotter,
noisier and dangersouser. WHERE'S MY WHEATIES CONTRACT?

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Max <[email hidden]> wrote in news:betatron-
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NASCAR drivers endure heat stress! And noise!

wowie wow wow!

.max i spent a few years in the engineroom of a nuculer submarine. way hotter,
noisier and dangersouser. WHERE'S MY WHEATIES CONTRACT?

Wait a minute here....I have read Clancy and I know that nukes are as quite as
hell. So what is the story???

[QUOTE]Originally posted by John Sontag
[B]And us coners, i.e. sonarmen, thank you for all of that lovely fresh water!!

John

"Max" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:betatron-
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NASCAR drivers endure heat stress! And noise!

wowie wow wow!

.max i spent a few years in the engineroom of a nuculer submarine. way hotter,
noisier and dangersouser. WHERE'S MY WHEATIES CONTRACT?

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the part of <[email hidden]> was played by maxwell monningh 8-p [/B]

Chris Neary said:

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I think the confusion stems from the fact that to do any
of the above (NASCAR, astronaut, fighter pilot), you have
to be in really very good shape - what most people would
consider "athletic".

I was fortunate in that my father was the liaison to his
firm's sponsored NASCAR drivers. As a result we followed
the Winston Cup circuit for a couple of summers and I got
to meet many of the drivers (Richard Petty would shower in
our Winnebago after races).

Very talented people with exceptional skill, but I have a
hard time thinking of the typical NASCAR driver as being
"really very good shape".

I actually made that point in my original post. We as
cyclists might not consider NASCAR drivers to be in what we
would term "really good shape", but to the general
population, they probably are. That's more a statement about
the LACK of "shape" of the average citizen though.

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of
the $695 ti frame

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 04:15:49 GMT, Mike Latondresse

mikelat@no_spamshaw.ca said:

Max <[email hidden]> wrote in news:betatron-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

NASCAR drivers endure heat stress! And noise!

wowie wow wow!

.max i spent a few years in the engineroom of a nuculer
submarine. way hotter, noisier and dangersouser. WHERE'S
MY WHEATIES CONTRACT?

Wait a minute here....I have read Clancy and I know that
nukes are as quite as hell. So what is the story???

They *aren't* quiet; a nuclear reactor is really a bunch of
boilers and heat exchangers and turbines, and it's very
very difficult, from an engineering standpoint to quiet
them down.

This is why the Soviets put a great deal of resources
towards diesel-electric hunter-killer submarines.
Submerged and under batteries, a diesel boat is quiet;
fewer moving parts.

That's my layman's understanding; I'm always happy to learn
a thing or two.

Of course, you can't patrol a diesel for months on
end, submerged. Nor incubate *balut* on the reactor
cooling lines.

Bike content: I hear Ti is the material of choice for
nuclear submarines *and* Mark Hickey's bikes.

-Luigi Jane's Fighting Ships junkie.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Hickey said:

Chris Neary said:

Quoted message said:

I think the confusion stems from the fact that to do any
of the above (NASCAR, astronaut, fighter pilot), you
have to be in really very good shape - what most people
would consider "athletic".

I was fortunate in that my father was the liaison to his
firm's sponsored NASCAR drivers. As a result we followed
the Winston Cup circuit for a couple of summers and I got
to meet many of the drivers (Richard Petty would shower
in our Winnebago after races).

Very talented people with exceptional skill, but I have a
hard time thinking of the typical NASCAR driver as being
"really very good shape".

I actually made that point in my original post. We as
cyclists might not consider NASCAR drivers to be in what
we would term "really good shape", but to the general
population, they probably are. That's more a statement
about the LACK of "shape" of the average citizen though.

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but NASCAR drivers
are getting a lot leaner these days. That's because they've
noticed that having better athletic endurance improves their
performance.

It's worth noting that for most racers, the heart rate
elevates to near-maximum at the start of the race and never
drops from that (180-200 bpm is a normal average HR during a
road race). That will physically exhaust an unfit driver.

NASCAR is right at the cusp of what I would call "fitness-
mandatory" motorsports. Drag racers can be a little fat,
amateur racers can be really fat, but above Nascar, as you
get to CART/IRL and especially F1, the drivers are all
very, very fit. Motocross racers are among the most fit
athletes out there this side of pure-cardio types like
cyclists and runners.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden]
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Mazzoleni Fan Club

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mikelat@no_spamshaw.ca says...

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Max <[email hidden]> wrote in news:betatron-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

NASCAR drivers endure heat stress! And noise!

wowie wow wow!

.max i spent a few years in the engineroom of a nuculer
submarine. way hotter, noisier and dangersouser. WHERE'S
MY WHEATIES CONTRACT?

Wait a minute here....I have read Clancy and I know that
nukes are as quite as hell. So what is the story???

Only quiet on the outside!

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address before replying!

REAL programmers write self-modifying code.

The real key is to realize that most sports writers are
clueless dolts in the first place. The local ones here
in rochester ny have a hard time pronouncing anybodys
name properly, let alone get their facts straight. The
local guy not only writes for the paper but has an hour
show on the local radio station every night. He can
hardly string 5 words into a sentence. Most can't write
well at all. Grantland Rice they are NOT. I do not know
how they get those jobs which are among the easiest jobs
in America. Think about it. 99% of the time they are
stating the obvious.

Make that 99.9% of the time.

Real insights from sportswriters are right up there with
hens teeth for scarcity.

Cheers

don

Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:35:11 GMT, <[email hidden]>,

Don said:

The real key is to realize that most sports writers are
clueless dolts in the first place.

That's a desirable trait in their positions.

Their raw sources are rarely intellectual giants and the
majority of their readership barely clears the bar.

Be thankful they aren't teachers.
--
zk

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Bike content: I hear Ti is the material of choice for
nuclear submarines *and* Mark Hickey's bikes.

If you're talking hulls, only the Soviets ever built any
subs out of Ti. U.S. subs all have alloy steel hulls, IIRC.

Even with the strength/weight advantages of Ti, the cost and
difficulty in manufacturing the hull (we're talking welding
multiple-inch thick plate) made steel hulls more attractive
to U.S, designers.

Lots of Ti used elsewhere, especially in the saltwater
systems I would bet.

Chris Neary [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bike content: I hear Ti is the material of choice for
nuclear submarines *and* Mark Hickey's bikes.

If you're talking hulls, only the Soviets ever built
any subs out of Ti. U.S. subs all have alloy steel
hulls, IIRC.

Even with the strength/weight advantages of Ti, the cost
and difficulty in manufacturing the hull (we're talking
welding multiple-inch thick plate) made steel hulls more
attractive to U.S, designers.

Mainly the cost; the USSR has around 90% of the world's
known Ti supplies, so it was much cheaper for them to use it
than it would be for anybody else.

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Lots of Ti used elsewhere, especially in the saltwater
systems I would bet.

Generally not; the greater bulk of a Ti part for equivalent
strength is a stronger negative in a submarine than the
lighter weight would be an advantage. For systems which need
corrosion prevention, they usually use corrosion resistant
alloys of various kinds.

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in article [email hidden], Mark Hickey at
[email hidden] wrote on 3/6/04 10:07 AM:

Quoted message said:

Chris Neary said:

Quoted message said:

I think the confusion stems from the fact that to do any
of the above (NASCAR, astronaut, fighter pilot), you
have to be in really very good shape - what most people
would consider "athletic".

I was fortunate in that my father was the liaison to his
firm's sponsored NASCAR drivers. As a result we followed
the Winston Cup circuit for a couple of summers and I got
to meet many of the drivers (Richard Petty would shower
in our Winnebago after races).

Very talented people with exceptional skill, but I have a
hard time thinking of the typical NASCAR driver as being
"really very good shape".

I actually made that point in my original post. We as
cyclists might not consider NASCAR drivers to be in what
we would term "really good shape", but to the general
population, they probably are. That's more a statement
about the LACK of "shape" of the average citizen though.

On a overheard news report (this week): 65% of Americans are
overweight ( by medical definition)

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Quoted message said:

Lots of Ti used elsewhere, especially in the saltwater
systems I would bet.

Generally not; the greater bulk of a Ti part for equivalent
strength is a stronger negative in a submarine than the
lighter weight would be an advantage. For systems which
need corrosion prevention, they usually use corrosion
resistant alloys of various kinds.

Ti is quite corrosion resistant.

All the condensor tubing in a power plant I work at is Ti.

Chris Neary [email hidden]

"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could you
ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I loved" -
Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

In article <[email hidden]>,
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Lots of Ti used elsewhere, especially in the saltwater
systems I would bet.

Generally not; the greater bulk of a Ti part for
equivalent strength is a stronger negative in a submarine
than the lighter weight would be an advantage. For
systems which need corrosion prevention, they usually use
corrosion resistant alloys of various kinds.

Ti is quite corrosion resistant.

Yes, I know, but it's too expensive and bulky to get much
use in a U.S. submarine.

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All the condensor tubing in a power plant I work at is Ti.

A sub's condensers need to operate at a bit (understatement
of the year!) higher pressure than those on a commercial
power plant or surface ship. Also, how does Ti's thermal
conductivity compare to other corrosion-resistant alloys?

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Quoted message said:

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All the condensor tubing in a power plant I work at is
Ti.

A sub's condensers need to operate at a bit (understatement
of the year!) higher pressure than those on a commercial
power plant or surface ship. Also, how does Ti's thermal
conductivity compare to other corrosion-resistant alloys?

I would guess the overall design is not very different,
since the plant I work at used to be tubed with copper alloy
and the change did not affect plant performance.

I would think the higher pressures in a sub's condensor
would make the higher strength of the ti alloys attractive.

Chris Neary [email hidden]