Another broken neck

James Annan said:

But he was only using a custom fork with no lawyer lips, so that's ok then:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=172820

This comment was a bit scary. Did they all fail to tighten their
skewers at the start of the ride?

"Skewers....
Interesting question - my skewer is a Bonty (CrMo). As I was lying on
the ground - waiting for a helicopter flight to the hospital - one of
the guys I was with went around and checked skewers on all of the other
bikes on the ride. At least 4 were loose. A bit scary."

Iain

James Annan said:

But he was only using a custom fork with no lawyer lips, so that's ok then:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=172820

"I have no way of knowing if the skewer was a bit loose when I
started, whether it loosened during the ride (I had been riding for
over 5 hours when the accident occurred), or whether the disc rotor
somehow managed to pull the skewer out of the dropout as I braked down
a hill coming off bunny-hopping a rut..."

It seems that the rider has posed the basic questions which need to be
tested by some good, sound experiments and research before anyone will
ever know what ACTUALLY causes this type of occurrence.

That said: Even assuming the Annan claimed inherent disc brake/skewer
design flaw, using a fork with disc brakes, open dropouts, wheels
attached with skewers, and no lawyer lips, gives rise, as we say in
the legal profession, to the defense of "contributory negligence."

Which is why they call them lawyer lips, DUH!

Doug Taylor said:

That said: Even assuming the Annan claimed inherent disc brake/skewer
design flaw, using a fork with disc brakes, open dropouts, wheels
attached with skewers, and no lawyer lips, gives rise, as we say in
the legal profession, to the defense of "contributory negligence."

Members of the jury. The plaintiff was clearly negligent. He was using
my client's products.

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Dave...

James Annan said:

But he was only using a custom fork with no lawyer lips, so that's ok then:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=172820

(and the rider seems to have recovered ok)

The rider reports that the bike had rear-facing fork dropouts. If
that's a description of a fork end whose slots open to the rear of the
fork leg, I have to wonder why it took 5 hours for the wheel to come
out. That sounds like something that would have been designed by
Bloody Stupid Johnson.

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Werehatrack said:

James Annan said:

But he was only using a custom fork with no lawyer lips, so that's ok then:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=172820

(and the rider seems to have recovered ok)

The rider reports that the bike had rear-facing fork dropouts. If
that's a description of a fork end whose slots open to the rear of the
fork leg, I have to wonder why it took 5 hours for the wheel to come
out. That sounds like something that would have been designed by
Bloody Stupid Johnson.

They're rear facing because if you have disc brakes there is a force
that ejects the axle out of a vertical drop out. So you make the drop
out at right angles to the ejection force and ....errr..... ;-)

--
Tony

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right."
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Werehatrack said:

James Annan said:

But he was only using a custom fork with no lawyer lips, so that's
ok then:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=172820

(and the rider seems to have recovered ok)

The rider reports that the bike had rear-facing fork dropouts. If
that's a description of a fork end whose slots open to the rear of
the fork leg, I have to wonder why it took 5 hours for the wheel to
come out. That sounds like something that would have been designed
by Bloody Stupid Johnson.

Rear facing dropouts. WTF? No competent frame builder would design a
fork with rear facing dropouts. I want to see a photo of this fork!

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Werehatrack said:

James Annan said:

But he was only using a custom fork with no lawyer lips, so that's
ok then:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=172820

(and the rider seems to have recovered ok)

The rider reports that the bike had rear-facing fork dropouts. If
that's a description of a fork end whose slots open to the rear of
the fork leg, I have to wonder why it took 5 hours for the wheel to
come out. That sounds like something that would have been designed
by Bloody Stupid Johnson.

Rear facing dropouts. WTF? No competent frame builder would design a
fork with rear facing dropouts. I want to see a photo of this fork!

It sounds like it was similar to my fork. Not exactly "rear facing"
dropouts, but straight blades combined with stock dropouts designed for
a normal curve results in the angle of the dropout lining up rather well
with the force of a disk brake (depending a bit on model).

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/fork/side.jpg

I do hope it isn't the same builder, though...

James
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