Anorexia the new technology?

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Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except for
Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

Read Dotsie's bio and find out she was Anorexic too.

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Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except for
Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

He can't win grand tours on normal fitness. If he lost a few pounds he might. I hate to say this but to win the Grand Tours you may need to be pretty skinny as climbing is very important in all three.

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Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except for
Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

He can't win grand tours on normal fitness. If he lost a few pounds he might. I hate to say
this but to win the Grand Tours you may need to be pretty skinny as climbing is very important
in all three.

He obviously needs to change knockwurst to bratwurst ratios in his diet.

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Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except for
Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

He can't win grand tours on normal fitness. If he lost a few pounds he might. I hate to say
this but to win the Grand Tours you may need to be pretty skinny as climbing is very important
in all three.

He was pretty slim this past summer- we should all be so tubby!

Indurain was a huge, muscled guy and not a skinny beanpole, and his size didn't seem to harm him.

I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by riders
is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

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I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

I can't see 7,7 kg being an accurate figure. I doubt the average weight of the riders is even 77 kg,
and there's no way they would lose 10% of their weight.

Even if a 77 kg rider has 10% bodyfat, they couldn't take that below about 3% without health
implications, so the remainder would have to come from muscle (or bone). All of which would be an
incredible trauma on the body over a three week period.

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I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

Lance Armstrong lost this amount in 1 hour.

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I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

Lance Armstrong lost this amount in 1 hour.

Supposedly...and look what happened to him by the end of that hour!

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I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

I can't see 7,7 kg being an accurate figure. I doubt the average weight of the riders is even 77
kg, and there's no way they would lose 10% of their weight.

Even if a 77 kg rider has 10% bodyfat, they couldn't take that below about 3% without health
implications, so the remainder would have to come from muscle (or bone). All of which would be an
incredible trauma on the body over a three week period.

When are they measuring? Some of it could just be water.

Steve

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Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except for
Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

It is hardly new.

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Remove The Poli said:

Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except
for Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

He can't win grand tours on normal fitness. If he lost a few pounds he might. I hate to say this
but to win the Grand Tours you may need to be pretty skinny as climbing is very important in all
three.

He was pretty slim this past summer- we should all be so tubby!

Indurain was a huge, muscled guy and not a skinny beanpole, and his size didn't seem to harm him.

Actually, he was 195 when he won the Tour of the Future from Alexi Grewal and I forget the
other podium place. He was put on a 5 year plan to win the Tour my Conconi and Ferrari. He was
down to 172 or so when he won the Tours and that is pretty damn skinny for 6'2" His BMI is very
close to Lance's.

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I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

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I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta

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the Tour!

I can't see 7,7 kg being an accurate figure. I doubt the average weight of

the riders is

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even 77 kg, and there's no way they would lose 10% of their weight.

I also think there source data was poluted by using pre-hydration numbers as the lowest point.
Probable half or maybe even 3/4 is just water. I can see losing a kilo maybe 2 at the most. Lance
would lose less than the others because he needs to show up with less than a kilo to lose but maybe
around there. Just remember those insane weight loss quotes we got just on the day of the hot ITT.
What does that tell you?

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Even if a 77 kg rider has 10% bodyfat, they couldn't take that below about

3% without

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health implications, so the remainder would have to come from muscle (or

bone). All of

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which would be an incredible trauma on the body over a three week period.

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>I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
>riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

Lance Armstrong lost this amount in 1 hour.

Supposedly...and look what happened to him by the end of that hour!

For such a master tactician as Lance, I fail to see how he let something like this happen. It's a
rookie mistake. I think he would have some planner which he consults and tracks food/water intake.
"Oh, hell, I haven't drank 6 litres of water today, or yesterday, or the day before, what am I
thinking?!?!?"

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>>I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
>>riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

Lance Armstrong lost this amount in 1 hour.

Supposedly...and look what happened to him by the end of that hour!

For such a master tactician as Lance, I fail to see how he let something like this happen. It's a
rookie mistake. I think he would have some planner which he consults and tracks food/water intake.
"Oh, hell, I haven't drank 6 litres of water today, or yesterday, or the day before, what am I
thinking?!?!?"

And warming up outside in the hot sun. On a day when some of the riders were keeling over from
sunstroke! You have to wonder.

Incidentally, that horrible heat wave that made humans miserable and killed thousands, was
apparently great for grapes. Hot dry weather like that ideal for certain types of grapes.

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>>>I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
>>>riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!
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>Lance Armstrong lost this amount in 1 hour.
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Supposedly...and look what happened to him by the end of that hour!

For such a master tactician as Lance, I fail to see how he let something like this happen. It's a
rookie mistake. I think he would have some planner which he consults and tracks food/water intake.
"Oh, hell, I haven't drank 6 litres of water today, or yesterday, or the day before, what am I
thinking?!?!?"

And warming up outside in the hot sun. On a day when some of the riders were keeling over from
sunstroke! You have to wonder.

Incidentally, that horrible heat wave that made humans miserable and killed thousands, was
apparently great for grapes. Hot dry weather like that ideal for certain types of grapes.

Yep. Typically more sugar.

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Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind of
aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there except for
Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

Have a look at a picture of Coppi in his prime. It was ever thus, although Fausto had rather a bit
more style than ol' Lance (that's not a slam on Lance).

There is a big difference between watching your weight and anorexia, although excessive pressure
from outside about one's weight can trigger an expression of anorexia. Obviously I don't know
whether any of these skinnies have it, but one can't tell just from looking at them. Beloki has
really skinny arms and narrow shoulders, much more so than Ullrich, but you know, some people just
have small upper bodies. About the only thing you can say for certain is that it makes buying a suit
jacket that fits both arms and chest a real nuisance.

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Indurain was a huge, muscled guy and not a skinny beanpole, and his size didn't seem to harm him.

I think I remember Phil and Paul saying once, that during the tour the average weight lost by
riders is 7.7kg! Now we know what we all gotta do- the Tour!

I saw Indurain in Colorado Springs when he was training for the Worlds to be held in Columbia, and
he was neither huge nor muscled. He wasn't 'Hampsten' skinny, but he damned sure wasn't huge. Tall,
perhaps, and maybe bigger than the typical climber, but... not huge.

Scott

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> Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind
> of aesthetic or even healthy limit

constitute

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> what it takesnow to really get up there except for Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and
> can win on normal slimness?

He can't win grand tours on normal fitness. If he lost a few pounds he might. I hate to say
this but to win the Grand Tours you may need to

be

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pretty skinny as climbing is very important in all three.

He was pretty slim this past summer- we should all be so tubby!

Indurain was a huge, muscled guy and not a skinny beanpole, and his size didn't seem to
harm him.

Actually, he was 195 when he won the Tour of the Future from Alexi Grewal and I forget the other
podium place. He was put on a 5 year plan to win

the

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Tour my Conconi and Ferrari. He was down to 172 or so when he won the

Tours

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and that is pretty damn skinny for 6'2" His BMI is very close to Lance's.

The weight loss was touted as the reason he suddenly became a Tour contenter/winner. I'm certain
that Mig never had to use EPO. The weight loss was more than sufficient.

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Indurain was a huge, muscled guy and not a skinny beanpole, and his size didn't seem to
harm him.

Actually, he was 195 when he won the Tour of the Future from Alexi Grewal and I forget the other
podium place. He was put on a 5 year plan to win the Tour my Conconi and Ferrari. He was down to
172 or so when he won the Tours and that is pretty damn skinny for 6'2" His BMI is very close to
Lance's.

You folks only think riders like Indurain and Cipollini are big and muscular because of the tiny,
skinny people you always see them near. They aren't that big or muscular. I'm 6'2", 172 lbs. almost
exactly - I'm real thin.

If you saw these guys in street clothes and didn't know their faces, you wouldn't notice anything at
all about them. They'd look like thin men, nothing more.

-RJ

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Remove The Poli wrote:
> Jeanson, Lance, Tyler, Beloki- Is it my imagination of does losing weight beyond ayd kind
> of aesthetic or even healthy limit constitute what it takesnow to really get up there
> except for Ullrich, who apparently is a freak and can win on normal slimness?

He can't win grand tours on normal fitness. If he lost a few pounds he might. I hate to say
this but to win the Grand Tours you may need to be pretty skinny as climbing is very important
in all three.

He was pretty slim this past summer- we should all be so tubby!

Indurain was a huge, muscled guy and not a skinny beanpole, and his size didn't seem to
harm him.

Actually, he was 195 when he won the Tour of the Future from Alexi Grewal and I forget the other
podium place. He was put on a 5 year plan to win the Tour my Conconi and Ferrari. He was down to
172 or so when he won the Tours and that is pretty damn skinny for 6'2" His BMI is very close to
Lance's.

Indurain was never 172lb - his racing weight during the Tour was 81-82kg which is 178-180lb. All
riders statistics are published after the pre-Tour medical that takes place a few days prior to the
start of the Tour.