Annoying Day + beer related question

Arthur Clune said:

[As an aside does anyone know why just sometimes, three pints
makes me very, very, very ill, and most of the time I feel fine the next
day?

Yeah, this is one of two things. A cure is available for one, but not
the other. It's either that you are:

1. A great big girls blouse.

2. A shandy drinkin' southern poofter.

Don't worry if it's option 1, you can simply take up rugby and
practice more with the beer. You should pull through.

On the other hand if it's option 2, I'm afraid you are beyond hope and
have my sympathies.

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Arthur Clune said:

Friday: three pints in pub
Saturday: staggeringly ill all day.

Maybe you're allergic to alcohol. Seriously.

I developed this six years ago - a single bottle of French beer, and I
was very ill. I thought it was just a bad beer, so I tried a different
one (standard mass-produced tinny) a few weeks later. Same result.

I've been off all alochol since - the experience has removed all
pleasure from alcoholic drinks, and has probably helped my health.
Finances are a different issue - pub prices for soft drinks are
extortionate.

This theory wouldn't really explain the inconsistency of your
experience, though...

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Mark Tranchant <[email hidden]> wrote:

: This theory wouldn't really explain the inconsistency of your
: experience, though...

I'm beginning to wonder if I am becoming alergic to beer/larger.
It's getting more and more common that this happens. So much
that I am going to stop drinking beer unless I can find some
way to stop it happening.

Sigh.

Arthur

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Arthur Clune said:

Mark Tranchant <[email hidden]> wrote:

: This theory wouldn't really explain the inconsistency of your
: experience, though...

I'm beginning to wonder if I am becoming alergic to beer/larger.
It's getting more and more common that this happens. So much
that I am going to stop drinking beer unless I can find some
way to stop it happening.

Sigh.

Arthur

This happened to a colleague of mine - following what he thought at the
time was a straightforward stomach bug; now he cannot tolerate any
amount of beer, though I think wine is still ok.

--
Chris

Arthur Clune said:

Mark Tranchant <[email hidden]> wrote:

: This theory wouldn't really explain the inconsistency of your
: experience, though...

I'm beginning to wonder if I am becoming alergic to beer/larger.
It's getting more and more common that this happens. So much
that I am going to stop drinking beer unless I can find some
way to stop it happening.

What are you drinking? seriously.
I hope its not the mass-produced cr*p that comes out of the national
brewers' chemical factories?
Stick to smaller producers and you should have no problem.
I know someone who could not drink a certain national beer as it was
found to contain wheat products to which he was allergic (wheat is a
cheapo ingredient).
And you mention lager. Hmmmm. I bet this was some over-cooled
over-priced plastic concoction, not a real properly brewed lager? If you
drink 'British' lager you almost deserve to be ill.

Saturday I visited Cheriton Brewery and had four pints of their Amber
Gambler and Diggers Gold with no problems at all - it helped that it
was free ;-)
In the evening a few of us crawled some of the better pubs of Winchester
(13 to be exact) and no one suffered - except a bruised knee when
literally falling out of one pub.

BTW - this is not our usual behaviour - it is an annual Christmas
tradition ;-) honest guv.

Oh, did I menton the curry too....

John B

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Quoted message said:

Grr. Not a good start to my training for next season.

Friday: three pints in pub
Saturday: staggeringly ill all day.

[As an aside does anyone know why just sometimes, three pints
makes me very, very, very ill, and most of the time I feel fine the next
day? I think I'm going to have to give up everything except wine
because of this. Wine doesn't (yet) do this to me. If I drink to
excess, I get ill, if I don't, I don't. Which seems reasonable]

Can't say I've ever had any problem with beer at all. In my 20s the biggest
problem was spirits, very nasty stuff if you over do it, so I've not touched
any spirits for 20 years and just stuck to beer. I don't drink wine as you
can't really drink the stuff in pubs when there are 10 real ales on tap.

I had 4 bottles of Staropramen Czech beer last night and felt fine this
morning. From memory the only time I've had a bad reaction to beer was from
the French 330 cm3 stubbies that you get in supermarkets. For some reason it
gives me a stomach ache. Every other (quality) beer is fine.

--
Simon M.

JohnB <[email hidden]> wrote:

: What are you drinking? seriously.
: I hope its not the mass-produced cr*p that comes out of the national
: brewers' chemical factories?

Sadly, yes it was. However, this is a change within the last 6 months
and I don't think their quality has got worse in the last 6 months.

Arthur

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Succorso <[email hidden]> wrote:

: This happened to a colleague of mine - following what he thought at the
: time was a straightforward stomach bug; now he cannot tolerate any
: amount of beer, though I think wine is still ok.

That's interesting since that's pretty much my current situation.

Arthur

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Quoted message said:

Sadly, yes it was. However, this is a change within the last 6 months
and I don't think their quality has got worse in the last 6 months.

If it's Heineken you're drinking, that's had a recipe change some time in
the last year.

Have you tried moving to bitter or ale? Mind, if you are a great big girls
blouse or a shandy drinkin' southern poofter it'll just make things worse
:-/

Arthur Clune vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

Grr. Not a good start to my training for next season.

Friday: three pints in pub
Saturday: staggeringly ill all day.

[As an aside does anyone know why just sometimes, three pints
makes me very, very, very ill, and most of the time I feel fine the next
day? I think I'm going to have to give up everything except wine
because of this. Wine doesn't (yet) do this to me. If I drink to
excess, I get ill, if I don't, I don't. Which seems reasonable]

Sounds like you're developing an allergy to something in the beer or related
to it, like the pub cleaning fluids, your mates body odour etc .. Unless the
beer was off, or particularly bad, though I thought bottled beers had a very
long shelf life, or a year or so at least.

It could also be a problem with your gut. My father had trouble with
ulcers, eventually dying from cancer of the colon. He would have a few
drinks one week and feel 'normal'. The next weekend he'd have a few drinks,
never enough to get drunk, and yet he'd be laid up feeling 'off' for a day
or two. It might be worth going to the doctos and seeing what he says about
ulcers etc.

Quoted message said:

Much buggering around, and one elastic band later, it's in a
state where I can get home.

I know toolkits, and what's in them, has been discussed many times, but an
elastic band? I don't think even the wife and her handbag would have an
elastic band .. Not that I'm in a hurry to find out either though .. 😉

--
Paul ...
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Mark Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Have you tried moving to bitter or ale? Mind, if you are a great big girls
: blouse or a shandy drinkin' southern poofter it'll just make things worse

Stella, various ciders and IPA have all had the same affect. At least the latter
is decent as well.

Arthur

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Quoted message said:

Friday: three pints in pub
Saturday: staggeringly ill all day.

[As an aside does anyone know why just sometimes, three pints
makes me very, very, very ill, and most of the time I feel fine the next
day? I think I'm going to have to give up everything except wine
because of this. Wine doesn't (yet) do this to me. If I drink to
excess, I get ill, if I don't, I don't. Which seems reasonable]

IME, whether I get a hangover has much to do with your levels of
hydration before the booze. If I neck a good few glasses of water well
before going to the pub, the effects the next day (or evening) are
either non existent or much less harsh than otherwise.

Also, I rarely get hangovers with Bitter whereas even 2 pints of
Eurofizz can give me a [censored] behind the eyes.

Arthur Clune said:

JohnB <[email hidden]> wrote:

: What are you drinking? seriously.
: I hope its not the mass-produced cr*p that comes out of the national
: brewers' chemical factories?

Sadly, yes it was. However, this is a change within the last 6 months
and I don't think their quality has got worse in the last 6 months.

I must agree with you.
I don't think they could stoop much lower.

John B

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

Sadly, yes it was. However, this is a change within the last 6 months
and I don't think their quality has got worse in the last 6 months.

If it's Heineken you're drinking, that's had a recipe change some time in
the last year.

You mean they removed what was left of any taste?

John B

Following on from Arthur Clune's message. . .

Quoted message said:

[As an aside does anyone know why just sometimes, three pints
makes me very, very, very ill, and most of the time I feel fine the next
day? I think I'm going to have to give up everything except wine
because of this. Wine doesn't (yet) do this to me. If I drink to
excess, I get ill, if I don't, I don't. Which seems reasonable]

I don't have to tell you that this is not normal.
There are four possibilities
1 It's the beer
2 It's the pub
3 [As the actress said to Peter Sellers] It is you.
4 It is something you're doing

(3) If wine is OK and beer only sometimes bad then this doesn't look
like alcohol intolerance. Other posters have mentioned the possibility
of an intolerance to 'unnatural' ingredients ('adjuncts'😉 or
post-fermentation treatments. Keg and brand beers are the worst for
post-fermentation buggeration. Occasionally speciality brews from small
breweries will contain unusual ingredients, but the likelihood of this
will easily be flagged up at point of sale.

(4) There is the possibility that you are taking some pills. Some can
react with alcohol.

(2) If your symptoms are food poisoning then that's probably what it is.
(Yes, even just with beer - Typically dirty glasses and poor glass
handling.) There seem to be some pubs which (a) don't understand hygiene
(b) don't take hygiene seriously and (c) can't seem to eradicate bugs
even when they make an effort. If you think this could be the case then
call the local council who have food police.

(1+3) Very mild digestive irregularities are not uncommon. Different
people notice different effects. Some people 'don't get on with'
particular beers or breweries. I would have thought you'd have twigged
any that fall into this category by now.

(4) A hygiene (or allergy) problem may be due to some activity that you
only tend to do when creeping down the pub. How many times have I told
you to stop snogging the barmaid?

From the limited information provided in the OP I suggest (2) is the
most likely. In which case find a better pub.

Or go for _real_ cider: - That'll put roses in your cheeks and a spring
in your saddle.

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Arthur Clune [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

I'm beginning to wonder if I am becoming alergic to beer/larger.
It's getting more and more common that this happens. So much
that I am going to stop drinking beer unless I can find some
way to stop it happening.

Do you drink wine more frequently to beer? Acclimatisation may be part
of the problem.

I know from experience that many Russians are capable of drinking
ridiculous amounts of Vodka (2 1L bottles consumed in a single evening
meal where most present were avoiding it), yet will be floored by two
glasses of red wine.

If it is a problem, then as with all matters of training, you must
practice. If not, just drink wine!

Jon

Alcohol (any) inhibitis the liver's ability to make glucose/glycogen.
It also dehydrates the body.

If your carb reserves start low, they'll get lower.

Your brain *must* have glucose to function, your muscles can function at
a modest level.

Carb up after cycling and before and after drinking.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Paul - [censored] <[email hidden]> wrote:

: I know toolkits, and what's in them, has been discussed many times, but an
: elastic band? I don't think even the wife and her handbag would have an
: elastic band .. Not that I'm in a hurry to find out either though .. 😉

I don't carry elastic banks as such either. It was taken from a spare
tube.

The other thing it proved is that dispite there being 6 of us, all with
multi-tools, none of us had a 8mm spanner. Allen keys only!

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Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote:

: Do you drink wine more frequently to beer? Acclimatisation may be part
: of the problem.

No. I drink wine rarely.

: If it is a problem, then as with all matters of training, you must
: practice. If not, just drink wine!

Doesn't seem right in a pub though. At least, not to me.

Arthur

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