Angry Man: Changed From Maverick?

"(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Somewhere I heard that a well-known rider nicknamed "Angry Man" switched

from

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Maverick sus to another type of frame after repeated failures.

Does anybody know:
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Ping JD, I'm not sure that Jon had repeated failures or just moved on to a
bigger bike to match his skill level. There may be posts from JD in a.m-b.
mentioning any problems he may have had.

Frankly I'm amazed at how well Angry Man rode on that URT.

Greg

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"(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Somewhere I heard that a well-known rider nicknamed "Angry Man" switched

from

Quoted message said:

Maverick sus to another type of frame after repeated failures.

Does anybody know:
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1) If I've got this right?

Ping JD, I'm not sure that Jon had repeated failures or just moved on to a
bigger bike to match his skill level. There may be posts from JD in a.m-b.
mentioning any problems he may have had.

Frankly I'm amazed at how well Angry Man rode on that URT.

Greg

He rides well on anything!
It was a Klein Palomino and he broke it at least a couple of times, and
I think at least one of the times it was near the linkage behind the BB.

Matt

Per MattB:

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I think at least one of the times it was near the linkage behind the BB.

I'm wondering if it was the pin that connects the BB/Monolink to the rear
triangle. I've broken two so far and my suspicion is that tail whips (or, in
my case, *attempted* tail whips) are doing it.
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PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) said:

Per MattB:

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I think at least one of the times it was near the linkage behind the
BB.

I'm wondering if it was the pin that connects the BB/Monolink to the
rear triangle. I've broken two so far and my suspicion is that tail
whips (or, in my case, *attempted* tail whips) are doing it.

Hmm... tailwhips are typically done on hardtails or BMX.

From Wikipedia:
"The tailwhip is a bike trick typically performed on a BMX, in which the
frame of the bike performs a complete rotation around the front end (bars
and forks), which remains stationary throughout the move."

J/k, I know what you mean... are the turns that extreme that you can't make
the turn without pivoting around the front end? Or are you just trying new
things out? From a mech engineering perspective, if a linkage can't take
lateral/torsional loads like that without cracking, it was designed poorly.

Let's be honest here... this linkage has been giving you lots of problems.
Maverick keeps sending you poorly threaded linkages... who knows if their
quality control/assurance process even bothers looking at the linkages?
Here at where I'm currently interning (an entertainment company), everything
is examined compared to the manufacturer's original drawings and
specifications before it ever gets used. It seems that Maverick should be
doing lots more engineering and testing of their products, which were
supposed to be designed and manufacturered to be *ridden*.

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Phil Lee, Squid

Per Phil Lee, Squid:

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J/k, I know what you mean... are the turns that extreme that you can't make
the turn without pivoting around the front end? Or are you just trying new
things out?

Just trying things out. No real use for the maneuver except for getting a
little more comfortable on the bike.

I can't say for sure that tail whip attempts caused my failures. The builder
blamed a defective bolt on the first one and I didn't bother reporting the
second one. But when I visualize the stresses, I come up with the momentum
of my 220 pounds of lard trying to rip the heads off of the two sus bolts when
the rear wheel comes back down to the ground and the ground is sloping downhill.

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Let's be honest here... this linkage has been giving you lots of problems.
Maverick keeps sending you poorly threaded linkages... who knows if their
quality control/assurance process even bothers looking at the linkages?

I'm thinking that nobody does - and, since the linkages I got are the "old"
magnesium ones - before the current redesign in alu - the problem is probably
aggravated.

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Here at where I'm currently interning (an entertainment company), everything
is examined compared to the manufacturer's original drawings and
specifications before it ever gets used. It seems that Maverick should be
doing lots more engineering and testing of their products, which were
supposed to be designed and manufacturered to be *ridden*.

I'm irritated about the repeated bad threads - if only because it means I'm not
getting through to somebody. I asked Maverick twice for somebody to really
look before sending me the next one. I also leaned on Seven to make *real*
sure the threads were good - told them the whole story.

It's not like it's something subtle - it's *really* obvious. OTOH, Maverick
has been really good about sending the replacements and I know nothing about BB
specs... maybe a certain amount of off-threading is normal.

I sent one back to Seven with the defects highlighted in red marker. They
acknowledged the defects, but said something like "But it looks to us like it
<should> work." This was not the answer I wanted to hear after walking out
seven miles pushing a broken bike.

In case I've muddied the waters though, I should reiterate that I *really* like
this bike. The BB has been problematic and I managed to tear out one of the
rear dropouts. I'm not an aggressive rider by any means. My riding style is
more towards the pathetic - but I weigh more than the average person; I tend to
break things that other people have no problem with; and I'm *really* clumsy...
So I have to cut some slack for whatever gear I'm currently abusing.
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PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) said:

Somewhere I heard that a well-known rider nicknamed "Angry Man" switched from
Maverick sus to another type of frame after repeated failures.

Does anybody know:
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1) If I've got this right?

He broke a few Palomino frames.

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2) And, if so, if the failures were concentrated in the same spot/part?

Around te same place.

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3) Which part?

Near the linkage, not sure what exact part.

He's on a 6" travel modified Ventana X-5 now and from what I hear, he's
evolved nicely.

JD