Anerican GT stage winners

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Ed Sullivan <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

After Zabriskie's latest triumph, I was thinking about U.S. stage
winners in grand tours. They are listed here in no particular order.
Extra credit if you know how many for each. (Have I forgotten
anyone?)

Phinney
Lemond
Armstrong
Zabriskie
Hampsten
Hamilton
Pierce
Kiefel

Pardon - what's the big deal. You have 350 million as a resource base.
Compare that to Belgium or Holland. Feel your superiority still ? Flags
!!! Foo!
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Ed Sullivan said:

After Zabriskie's latest triumph, I was thinking about U.S. stage
winners in grand tours. They are listed here in no particular order.
Extra credit if you know how many for each. (Have I forgotten anyone?)

Quoted message said:

Phinney
Lemond
Armstrong
Zabriskie
Hampsten
Hamilton
Pierce
Kiefel

Rodriguez (Giro)
Landis (Vuelta)
Trenti (Vuelta)

Zabriskie is not a new member having won a stage in last year's
Vuelta. And anyone that missed Trenti is excused. He's a great
trivia question though, because he's the first rider with a US
license to take a stage in the Vuelta.

Hamilton is the only American to take a stage in each Grand Tour.
Not that anyone will remember that.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

Dear French guy,

I intended this to be an exercise in cycling history, nothing more.

By the way, the U.S. population has not yet exceeded 300 million.

Thanks,

Ed

Don't forget Fred Rodriguez in last years Giro.

Zabriske, Hamilton, and Hampsten and LeMond form a multi grand tour
club.

Andreu came close with a couple of second places in both Tour and
Veulta.

On 17 May 2005 11:50:02 -0700, "Ed Sullivan" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They are listed here in no particular order.
Extra credit if you know how many for each. (Have I forgotten anyone?)

Virtual or real? (And, if virtual, can more than one person have a
virtual victory on the same stage?)

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Hampsten has a Veulta win? I thought Zabrieski was the first American.

Good catch on Trenti

Sandy said:

Pardon - what's the big deal. You have 350 million as a resource base.
Compare that to Belgium or Holland. Feel your superiority still ? Flags
!!! Foo!

If you accept that everyone over 200 pounds or under the age of, say,
15 is not really part of the base, and you exclude females, we really
don't have all that many people in our base, as you call it. Maybe a
couple of hundred thousand or so.

You're just irritable because France is still shut out when it comes
to the Super Bowl. Zip with the World Series wins, too.

Really, this is a question that countries without that many wins will
ask. Since the Giro still counts as a Grand Tour, even the italians
won't bother to count their wins. Then, again, since about 1980,
neither does anyone else...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Vaughters
Hincapie

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Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Pardon - what's the big deal. You have 350 million as a resource base.
Compare that to Belgium or Holland. Feel your superiority still ? Flags
!!! Foo!

If you accept that everyone over 200 pounds or under the age of, say,
15 is not really part of the base, and you exclude females, we really
don't have all that many people in our base, as you call it. Maybe a
couple of hundred thousand or so.

You're just irritable because France is still shut out when it comes
to the Super Bowl. Zip with the World Series wins, too.

Really, this is a question that countries without that many wins will
ask. Since the Giro still counts as a Grand Tour, even the italians
won't bother to count their wins. Then, again, since about 1980,
neither does anyone else...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis,

Be nice to French people. They are insecure.

Sandy,

En guarde! Be nice to Americans or we'll burn our draft cards the next time
we have to kick somebody out of your country.

-Philip

Ed Sullivan said:

After Zabriskie's latest triumph, I was thinking about U.S. stage
winners in grand tours. They are listed here in no particular order.
Extra credit if you know how many for each. (Have I forgotten anyone?)

Phinney
Lemond
Armstrong
Zabriskie
Hampsten
Hamilton
Pierce
Kiefel

Ekimov - honorary USAmerican (of course he wasn't at the time, but he
counts at least as much as Trenti).

Diablo Scott said:

Ekimov - honorary USAmerican (of course he wasn't at the time, but he
counts at least as much as Trenti).

Guido has American citizenship, just like you and me.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

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Quoted message said:

Ekimov - honorary USAmerican (of course he wasn't at the time, but he
counts at least as much as Trenti).

Because he rides for an American team? He loves his black bread as much as
anybody.

Bob Schwartz said:

Diablo Scott said:

Ekimov - honorary USAmerican (of course he wasn't at the time, but he
counts at least as much as Trenti).

Guido has American citizenship, just like you and me.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

He has dual citizenship, unlike me.
He raced for USA in Zolder, I know, but...
Eki curses in American English, just like me.

Err, Sandy, it IS a big deal that an American can win in the defining
race in a sport that is definitely not American in nature.

Being able to compete with the best in the world in the best races is
something to crow about.

If you don't include anyone over 200 lbs that only leaves 5 people. And
none of those are on this board.

In addition, the bike racer base is only about 30-40,000. Although the
population is much greater in the US compared to Belgium or Holland the bike
racer population is much smaller. I think that even the most rabid promoter
of US bike racers will easily concede that in general the US sucks at
producing elite level bike racers compared to multiple other countries.

--
Mike Murray
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Quoted message said:

Dear French guy,

I intended this to be an exercise in cycling history, nothing more.

By the way, the U.S. population has not yet exceeded 300 million.

Thanks,

Ed

Quoted message said:

Vaughters
Hincapie

TTT results don't count. That goes without saying.

-RJ

One should not ignore the progress the US has made in producing good road
racers.

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Quoted message said:

In addition, the bike racer base is only about 30-40,000. Although the
population is much greater in the US compared to Belgium or Holland the
bike racer population is much smaller. I think that even the most rabid
promoter of US bike racers will easily concede that in general the US
sucks at producing elite level bike racers compared to multiple other
countries.

--
Mike Murray
"Ed Sullivan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dear French guy,

I intended this to be an exercise in cycling history, nothing more.

By the way, the U.S. population has not yet exceeded 300 million.

Thanks,

Ed

Tom Kunich said:

If you don't include anyone over 200 lbs that only leaves 5 people. And
none of those are on this board.

We're not all American. I'm 67 Kg.