And now I'm back...

"np426z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I have a poorly left calf muscle -

It's just trying to match the rest of your body.

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it cramped for no reason I can fathom at the end of a
gentle road run. However, I'm being nice to it - talking
sweetly and rubbing it every half hour or so - and it seems
to be improving.

Roidger, we all know which "muscles" you rub, and it ain't
the calve muscle.

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I managed 20 minutes yesterday and will shoot for 25
today.

You shot 25 times in 20 minutes? Wow! That dwarfes my
record.

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Yay me!

Toot your own, nobody else will.

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I can't recall where I left you, so I'll fill you in on
the main life events over the past month or so.

zzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz

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I've changed courses so I'll be studying environmental
sciences over the next academic year -

You graduated from [censored] and Jane?

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expect me to become increasingly 'green'

You're a faux Dr, you should know that antibiotics will
clear that right up.

) Baby son got into a fight at school

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that resulted in concussion and two days in hospital. As
he started it (the fight), I'd say that he's been taught a
lesson he won't forget. Big son came top of his year in
Chemistry and Biology then refused to attend prize day to
collect his awards. I don't understand what's going on in
his head, but suspect it's girl-related.

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Oh well, guess he'll spill the beans eventually.

Here we call it "coming out of the closet".

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Wife continues down her path to psychotic dementia. Is
that a real illness? I dunno. Time will tell...

I suspect anyone who spends any amount of time around you is
afflicted with that.

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Summer hols have already started here.

?????

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Visited the 'Hermitage' at Dunkeld yesterday, trailed
round the Cathedral and peeked at the Ospreys too.

Peeping is a crime here.

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I plan to fill the next six weeks with this sort of stuff -
yunno, things you've 'always meant to do locally but never
got round to doing'. Off around the Isle of May tomorrow.

Spare us, please?

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...I think I should offer my congratulations to Portugal
on last nights victory. Stunning stuff. Well done guys!

Welcome back -- took me a while to notice you, I saw the
silly name and thought it was one of TBR's sock puppets.

Can't say you missed a whole lot. Except I've gotten faster.
Yay me! (-;

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However, I'm being nice to it - talking sweetly and
rubbing it every half hour or so - and it seems to be
improving. I managed 20 minutes yesterday and will shoot
for 25 today. Yay me!

Shooting for 25 ? Yeah, yay you's right !

You put that in just for the trolls, didn't you ?

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On the running front, I can personally recommend the
slinky 'Concurve' running t-shirts. Very nice and cool in
the sunny sunshine. In addition, I'll reiterate my warning
on Mitzuno shoes - I've a friend who has a (different)
model to mine which also draws water from the road THROUGH
the sole.

I've got the Wave Riders. Wonderful shoe. Just don't wear
them in the rain. (I suppose that rules out wearing them in
Scotland ?)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

"np426z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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BTW Anders, what did you mean when you said Estonia didn't
have access to the sea in the past?

I´m pretty sure that I didn´t mean to say that the geography
of Estonia changed radically in the early 1990´s...

While Estonia was still a SSR, its fishing industry was
operated by state-owned "sovhozes". The boats were manned
mainly by Russian (or "all-Soviet"😉 fishermen, the catch was
processed and canned and delivered according to the five-year-
plan etc. There weren´t too many private vessels of any kind
(and those that existed were kept a pretty strict watch on)
and large stretches of coastline were military or other off-
limit areas.

Which may explain why the smell of fish can be a smell of
freedom in today´s Estonia (but which is not say that there
weren´t any Estonian fishers, merchant mariners or sailors
in the USSR).

BTW I´m inclined to believe that you posed the question
only to check whether your oldest fan still reads every
word you write...

Anders

"Fluke Worm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Roidger, we all know which "muscles" you rub, and it ain't
the calve

muscle.

Wobbot, dear chum, 'calves' are little cows.

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You shot 25 times in 20 minutes? Wow! That dwarfes
my record.

I suspect it's physically impossible, but no doubt Oz will
submit have a few regurgitated posts on the matter...

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Toot your own, nobody else will.

How true.

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You graduated from [censored] and Jane?

I've graduated from lots of places/things. It's a
hobby of mine

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You're a faux Dr, you should know that antibiotics will
clear that right

up.

You can never *really* be sure 'bout the Doc thing, can you?

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So son #1 is a loser wimp,

Nah, he's more like an out-of-control thug. Fear not, for I
have plans in place to curb his increasingly wild nature
this summer...

Give the sort of girls he appears to find arousing, I think
I'd almost prefer him to bring a quiet young man home.

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I suspect anyone who spends any amount of time around you
is afflicted

with that.

S'not true. I positively encourage love, affection and even
passion from those I hold dear.

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Summer hols have already started here.

?????

What? You find it hard to believe that we take holidays
in Europe?>

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Peeping is a crime here.

You poor sods. Peeping at young ladies is all that gives
meaning to my increasingly sad life.

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Spare us, please?

Oh no! I plan to tell all. In horrendously boring detail. So
sit back or unsubscribe. You choose.

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Can't say you missed a whole lot. Except I've gotten
faster. Yay me! (-;

Congrats! However, you too will experience the trauma of
slower times and joint pain, young Donny. Just carry on
running and living for another 20 odd years, and these joys
will seek you out...

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You put that in just for the trolls, didn't you ?

I do what I can :-).

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I've got the Wave Riders. Wonderful shoe.

I thought so too. Now I'm beginning to think they're a bit
too soft and squishy.

Danger, Donovan Rebbechi, Danger! Watch your calf!

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(I suppose that rules out wearing them in Scotland ?)

You got that right.

"Anders Lustig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Which may explain why the smell of fish can be a smell of
freedom in today´s Estonia (but which is not say that
there weren´t any Estonian fishers, merchant mariners or
sailors in the USSR).

Yunno, you write so nicely it's hard to believe that English
isn't your first language. Thank you for that comprehensive,
educational and informative explanation.

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BTW I´m inclined to believe that you posed the question
only to check whether your oldest fan still reads every
word you write...

And I'm inclined to believe that you're my 'oldest fan'
simply because you could outwit me on every point I make,
should you so choose...

"np426z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Wobbot, dear chum, 'calves' are little cows.

Just testing your vocabulary good man.

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I suspect it's physically impossible, but no doubt Oz will
submit have a few regurgitated posts on the matter...

LOL

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I've graduated from lots of places/things. It's a
hobby of mine

I'm not sure parole counts as graduating.

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You can never *really* be sure 'bout the Doc thing,
can you?

I am as sure now as ever, no doubt whatsoever.

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Nah, he's more like an out-of-control thug.

Hmm, I'd STRONGLY suggest DNA tests.

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Fear not, for I have plans in place to curb his
increasingly wild nature this summer...

Ok, butt remember, when he starts walking funny, the police
will investigate, and back to the slammer you'll go.

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I think I'd almost prefer him to bring a quiet young
man home.

Nothing wrong with wanting at least one son to be like dad.

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I positively encourage love, affection and even passion
from those I hold dear.

naked from their ankles hardly qualifies.

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What? You find it hard to believe that we take holidays in
Europe?>

I find the "we" part unbelivable(you don't have any family
or friends), the "holidays" part improbable (first you need
to have a job to take a vacation), and the Europe part
unlikely since your wanted posters are in every port.

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You poor sods. Peeping at young ladies is all that gives
meaning to my increasingly sad life.

No Rog, I said "peeing"...but in your case it's the same.

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Oh no! I plan to tell all. In horrendously boring detail.
So sit back or unsubscribe. You choose.

"unsubscribe"? What do you think this is, "The Book of The
Month Club" or something?

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"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Can't say you missed a whole lot. Except I've gotten
faster. Yay me! (-;

Congrats! However, you too will experience the trauma of
slower times and joint pain, young Donny.

Very true. However, I'll get faster before I get slower.
Once I get slower, I'll either have to settle for age-
graded times, competing with other old farts, or finding
some niche that doesn't require me to be fast (there are a
number of these -- any besides being a marathon plodder
will do fine ;-)

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I've got the Wave Riders. Wonderful shoe.

I thought so too. Now I'm beginning to think they're a bit
too soft and squishy.

What do you run in nowadays ? Of my several pairs of shoes
the only pairs that are *less* squishy are the flats (the
Asics Verdicts seem about the same to me)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very true. However, I'll get faster before I get slower.
Once I get

slower,

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I'll either have to settle for age-graded times, competing
with other old farts, or finding some niche that doesn't
require me to be fast (there are

a

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number of these -- any besides being a marathon plodder
will do fine ;-)

Find a niche, make it yours, and the sun will forever shine
on your running. Honest.

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What do you run in nowadays ?

Saucony Grid Fastwitch. Mainly 'cause it takes an orthotic
and is reasonable off-road.

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Of my several pairs of shoes the only pairs that are
*less* squishy are the flats (the Asics Verdicts seem

about

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the same to me)

I've often wondered (or wandered, as rec.runners seem to
like saying) whether the UK and US versions of shoes are
entirely the same. Mine are *exceptionally* squishy, far
more so than comparable products from Asics or Adidas, so
I'm surprised by your comments. We may, however, both be
telling the truth...

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Congrats! However, you too will experience the trauma
of slower

times and

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joint pain, young Donny.

Very true. However, I'll get faster before I get slower.
Once I get

slower,

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I'll either have to settle for age-graded times, competing
with other

old

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farts, or finding some niche that doesn't require me to be
fast (there

are a

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number of these -- any besides being a marathon plodder
will do fine

;-)

For me I found the constant red-lining got real old.
Spending months to shave a minute or less off a marathon
was as much fun as Mr. Ed reruns. I realize you're riding
on the zoom flume but don't be surprised if it becomes not
worth the effort and your views change. It's not
necessarily a product of age but of length of time running
and constantly pushing.

-DougF

Doug Freese said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Congrats! However, you too will experience the trauma
> of slower

times and

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joint pain, young Donny.

Very true. However, I'll get faster before I get slower.
Once I get slower, I'll either have to settle for age-
graded times, competing with other old farts, or finding
some niche that doesn't require me to be fast (there are
a number of these -- any besides being a marathon plodder
will do fine ;-)

For me I found the constant red-lining got real old.
Spending months to shave a minute or less off a marathon
was as much fun as Mr. Ed reruns.

I think this is an issue for anyone who wants to keep
running over a long period of time. Some move on and find a
niche elsewhere, such as ultra running (you, Common) or
orienteering (Tony, Roger). Some, like many of my
teammates, just lie low for a few years until the
competitive urge returns.

Indeed, this latter course of action resembles what I've
done. I ran in college, and quit when the law of
diminishing returns kicked in. And since I was overly
focusing on training instead of focusing on races, I burnt
out fairly quickly -- best time was 10:07 for 3k. I believe
my current performances are better than this. My current
environment is quite motivating, in that a few seconds a
mile would make a substantial difference to my competitive
standing in local races.

I'm not old yet, but at 31, this is my last chance to get
out there and run some really fast (for me) times. Once I've
done that, I'll probably get sick of it, at least for a
little while (-;

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

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I'm not old yet, but at 31, this is my last chance to get
out there and run some really fast (for me) times. Once
I've done that, I'll probably get sick of it, at least for
a little while (-;

At 47, I like creating my own goals based on WAVA. Although
I've never been faster than now, due to a relatively late
start in this hobby.

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you.
-Chuang Tzu

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One dark day on Usenet, Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]>
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I'm not old yet, but at 31, this is my last chance to
get out there and run some really fast (for me) times.
Once I've done that, I'll probably get sick of it, at
least for a little while (-;

At 47, I like creating my own goals based on WAVA.
Although I've never

been

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faster than now, due to a relatively late start in
this hobby.

Same here - I only began running four years ago, and
although I'm already 35 I fully expect to be faster at 40
than I am now, even at 5k. My training has been spotty and
quite low mileage since the start.

On the other side of the coin, I have friends who are my age
that never quit after leaving school, continuing to run
competitively. Most of those people seem to have peaked in
the early 30's and are now getting slower. Some of them have
badly deteriorating form as well. The years of competitive
training wears them out.

Everyone is different, though - but it's safe to say that if
you start running quite late in life, you can throw those
age-graded tables out the window for perhaps up to a decade,
but certainly several years at least.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

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Same here - I only began running four years ago, and
although I'm already 35 I fully expect to be faster at 40
than I am now, even at 5k. My training has been spotty and
quite low mileage since the start.

I'd say the pattern would have you peak at 37 or 38. I
started at 39 and peaked about 45 which was 18:30 for 5k and
38 10k. I could still break 40 in the 10k at age 50. The
best I can run a 10k today is maybe 43 and big change. If I
added some consistent speed work I might run 41 but that
desire go back into speed mode leaves me cold. Since I only
run one ot two 10k's a year I'll suffer

Raising your mileage and quality while aging is not always
an easy feat.

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Everyone is different, though - but it's safe to say that
if you start running quite late in life, you can throw
those age-graded tables out the window for perhaps up to a
decade, but certainly several years at least.

About 10 years seems average with the peak about 7-8.

-DougF

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Same here - I only began running four years ago, and
although I'm already 35 I fully expect to be faster at 40
than I am now, even at 5k. My training has been spotty and
quite low mileage since the start.

On the other side of the coin, I have friends who are my
age that never quit after leaving school, continuing to
run competitively. Most of those people seem to have
peaked in the early 30's and are now getting slower. Some
of them have badly deteriorating form as well. The years
of competitive training wears them out.

I started at age 28, and got down to 2:37 in 2 1/2 years.
Was running 95 mpw, with twice weekly speedwork, and a race
most every weekend (run untapered as a LT workout). My best
untapered 10k (12 miles the day before) was 33:45, and
untapered 5k was 16:05 on a rolling course.

Then trained hard for another year, and another 2:37 (was
sick for that one). Then got tired of banging my head
against the PR wall, figuring I was pretty close to my max.
I guess I'm more impatient than you are...

I backed off and still raced for a few more years, and did
well in several hilly trail events, ran 7:05 at the Catalina
50 miler, then retired from racing at age 34. I always
enjoyed running in those quiet years, almost all on trails.

Ran a race at age 48, another at 50, and now I'm hooked
again, but this time on ultras. I've lost almost all of my
speed on flats, but can still boogie on uphills and
downhills passably.

My father started at age 55, and got his fastest times at 62
(43 min 10k on 15-20 mpw, no speedwork).

-- Dan