An old gripe need for continious reading non invasive glucometers.

Guy said:

There should be a major effort to develop a system. We have so many boondoggles that receive gross
funding. We get so verbology but in other areas fund are available. I guess sick people don't
count. I have seen advances in other areas speed up where the correct pressure was applied.
Diabetics fight over the use of some word or who is the smartest. Not good Lobbying.

It's also a hard freaking problem in biological sensing. Chemical sensors are used up, and require
the extraction of living fluid 24x7 to work right, which has been quite tough to do reliably and
safely. Optical has been tough for other reasons involving taking a squish bag of tissue and telling
how much the glucose is concentrated when it doesn't have a really obvious color change (unlike,
say, oxygen sensors reading blood color changes).

Just throwing money at it will work as well as throwing money at polio before vaccines: someone
would use the available technology then to build a better iron lung, and right now we are getting
better glucometers that draw less blood. It's not a lobbying issue: it's a basic scientific problem.

Guy said:

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Some kind of continuous or short interval measuring system could lead to all sorts of advances.

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There should be a major effort to develop a system.

In the beginning of 2004 is coming a new wristwatch which measures BG non-invasive every minute. It
is called PENDRA from Pendragon Medical AG, a Swiss company. The sugar watch is introduced in five
countries: Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands and Greece. What do you think about it?

Werner

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:41:51 +0100, "Al Hardy" <[email hidden]>

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> Guy wrote:
> > >Some kind of continuous or short interval measuring system could

lead

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> > >all sorts of advances.

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> > There should be a major effort to develop a system.

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> In the beginning of 2004 is coming a new wristwatch which measures BG non-invasive every
> minute. It is called PENDRA from Pendragon Medical

AG,

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> Swiss company. The sugar watch is introduced in five countries:

Germany,

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> Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands and Greece. What do you think about it?

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> Werner

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IMHO, who needs to know every minute? There are more enoyable and more productive ways to spend
your time. To me it looks like a fad for the anally-challenged.

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Daily need only know 2 hours pp, and fbg. Average is given by HbA1c.

Very definitely wrong. This is the case if one is under rather good control, but there are many
times when what you claim is adequate is not.

Says who? URL? Are you claiming that pp readings and HbAic should be ignored?

And I am under good control these last five months, and I achieved it by dumping syntheic insulins,
using beef, and changing to a lowER carb diet, NOT Atkins. By good control I mean 3.9mmol to 6mmol,
with a 3 day period that went crazy because of a tummy bug, odd ones at a higher level, but that is
when I get lazy about pp exercise.

Last, I flatly refuse to believe that anyone could actually check every minute. And, do you know
what IMHO means? because that what you should have also have stated. Werner did not ask for **very
definitely** statements, but just opinions.

Al.

AL

You are viewing the story from your personal experience. Unfortunately you do not have the
experience to speak to many situations.

IK will repeat-- I was misdiagnosed by the old recipe and one size fits all. It lead to great
unnecessary grief. We do now have the tools to properly diagnose diabetes. We use a kludge method..

In my situation, all else equal, I could do much better if I could monitor m blood sugars very
frequently. Now the only safe way is to lead with food and then follow up with insulin. I do not
need the problems with severe hypos. So I have to compromise.

I went many years accumulating damage because the nature of my diabetes was misunderstood. I am sure
I am not the only one.

So I am a bit nutty over the wanted instrument.

You are very lucky to do what you are able to do.. Look back 20 years and see it you are correct.

This is for information in view of your question. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say what
is needed and proper.

Guy

Sorry I misinterpreted you post. I played the assume game. Not a good trait. Many that have little
experience seem to advocate simple solutions. IN my case with no low glucose control I need to test
a lot. Gets very expensive. I remember the Mini Med charts that I think were shown by Tiger Lily ?
on her site of the three day run showed very wide swings in blood sugar. We do not need a five
minute record but I know a record would permit me to get closer to optimum control.

I am shocked with some of the people that are headed for trouble. I do understand the problems with
the device development as report by Nico and Bill. I still follow some of technical groups that are
investigating approaches to optical devices. I did not say it is easy but I am very aware that
proper placement of funds might be of benefit. The strip business people are too comfortable now.

The war on diabetes is far from won. Much better than 20 years ago.

Guy

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AL

You are viewing the story from your personal experience.

Of course I am, which is what Werner asked for, and it is also why I stated IMHO.

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Unfortunately you do not have the experience to speak to many situations.

How do you know what experience I have, or have not?

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IK will repeat-- I was misdiagnosed by the old recipe and one size fits all.

So was I, kept on Gliclazide when I should have been on insulin, and told that HbA1c over 10.0mmol
(180mg/dll) was *good control*.

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It lead to great
unnecessary grief. We do now have the tools to properly diagnose diabetes. We use a kludge
method..

In my situation, all else equal, I could do much better if I could monitor m blood sugars very
frequently. Now the only safe way is to lead with food and then follow up with insulin. I do not
need the problems with severe hypos. So I have to compromise.

I went many years accumulating damage because the nature of my diabetes was misunderstood. I am
sure I am not the only one.

Certainly you have suffered more than me, but that doesn`t mean I have not suffered, and I still
intend to enjoy my remaing 18 years or so. Nor do I intend to allow further complications, if I can
at all help it.

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So I am a bit nutty over the wanted instrument.

You are very lucky to do what you are able to do..

Luck has nothing to do with it. Years of stuffing hard work, and complications picked up on the
way, neuritis in my fingers, neuropathy in my feet, OA, 40% hearing loss, male thrush, balanitis,
complete impotence.

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Look back 20 years and see it you are correct.

This is for information in view of your question. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say
what is needed and proper.

Guy

Al.