Amazing Meeting II

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This looks like a great meeting.

Perhaps the MHA Faithful should organize a roadtrip to Vegas!

Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical of Dr
Barret and Bowditch will be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

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Amongst the featured speakers....

We'll have two important speakers informing us on the present state of quackery. Dr. Steve
Barrett, of www.Quackwatch.com fame will describe the situation in the USA, and *Peter Bowditch*,
from Australia, will bring

Down

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Under Quackery, way Up Top for us.

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This looks like a great meeting.

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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical of
Dr Barret and Bowditch will be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

Unlike top-posting [censored] like yourself, they welcome comment from dissenters. As Jan Drew says,
they are always in need of small-minded victims to belittle.

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randi.orgtamii.htmlOpen ↗

Amongst the featured speakers....

We'll have two important speakers informing us on the present state of quackery. Dr. Steve
Barrett, of www.Quackwatch.com fame will describe the situation in the USA, and *Peter Bowditch*,
from Australia, will bring

Down

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Under Quackery, way Up Top for us.

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This looks like a great meeting.

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From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 1/9/2004 11:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical of
Dr Barret and Bowditch will be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

Facts are, Barrett is not qualifed to judge and Peter Bowditch has no medical training.

It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and more lies.

Satan will be present and very pleased.

Jan

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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical of
Dr Barret and Bowditch will be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them.

Do you think that there wil be anyone down the road at the conference with mercola who is critical
of him? Hm...perhaps Peter....

If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend.

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Anth

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randi.orgtamii.htmlOpen ↗

Amongst the featured speakers....

We'll have two important speakers informing us on the present state of quackery. Dr. Steve
Barrett, of www.Quackwatch.com fame will describe

the

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situation in the USA, and *Peter Bowditch*, from Australia, will bring

Down

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Under Quackery, way Up Top for us.

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This looks like a great meeting.

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Subject: Re: Amazing Meeting II From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 1/9/2004 11:06 AM Pacific
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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical of
Dr Barret and Bowditch

will

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be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

Facts are, Barrett is not qualifed to judge

Barrett has studied quackery for thrity years. What are YOUR credentials?

and Peter Bowditch has no medical

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training.

However, he has an education and an inquiring mind. When you get either, let us know.

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It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and more

lies.

Did you read the website about it? Peter get 30 minutes in 4 days.

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Satan will be present and very pleased.

I checked the guest roster and he is not listed.

(Diversion) Mercola - If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend. Dr
Barret claims to espouse the scientific method and his site is a myriad of information based on his
own opinion - that is not 'science.' Of course that will be overlooked by the wannabes like
Bowditch. (Fair enough Dr Barret does supply references for some of his information - the rest is
'Pick n Mix'😉 Anth

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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical
of Dr Barret and Bowditch

will

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be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them.

Do you think that there wil be anyone down the road at the conference with mercola who is critical
of him? Hm...perhaps Peter....

If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend.

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Anth

"Mark ProbertJanuary 8, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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randi.orgtamii.htmlOpen ↗

Amongst the featured speakers....

We'll have two important speakers informing us on the present state of quackery. Dr. Steve
Barrett, of www.Quackwatch.com fame will describe

the

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situation in the USA, and *Peter Bowditch*, from Australia, will bring

Down

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Under Quackery, way Up Top for us.

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This looks like a great meeting.

There are many people writing for his site. When he does not have citations, he points out the
impossibility of the item under discussion.

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(Diversion) Mercola - If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend. Dr
Barret claims to espouse the scientific method and his site is a myriad of information based on
his own opinion - that is not 'science.' Of course that will be overlooked by the wannabes like
Bowditch. (Fair enough Dr Barret does supply references for some of his

information -

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the rest is 'Pick n Mix'😉 Anth

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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical
of Dr Barret and Bowditch

will

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be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them.

Do you think that there wil be anyone down the road at the conference

with

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mercola who is critical of him? Hm...perhaps Peter....

If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend.

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Anth

"Mark ProbertJanuary 8, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote

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> We'll have two important speakers informing us on the present state

of

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> quackery. Dr. Steve Barrett, of www.Quackwatch.com fame will

describe

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the

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> situation in the USA, and *Peter Bowditch*, from Australia, will

bring

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Down
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Anth said:

Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest.

Bolen would just embarrass himself and any reasonable alt-med advocates--as usual. He just can't
help himself.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

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Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical of
Dr Barret and Bowditch will be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

<snip>

Maybe not at that time, but Peter will be visiting Bolen's, err, "office". That should stir up the
hornets well enough.

And then there is the meeting down the road. I heard that PB was going to crash it, maybe Barret
will as well. That should be fun. Perhapse they should set up a web cam first for the enjoyment of
those stuck in other parts of the world.

--
"The emperor is naked!"
"No he isn't, he's merely endorsing a clothing-optional lifestyle!"

to email me
Please remove "all your clothes"

Doug

(Jan) said:

Satan will be present and very pleased.

Jan

We know that you are here, Ja|\l.
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Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
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Dr Barret might have studied quackery, be the self proclaimed 'Guide to Health Fraud.' I have
studied computers for 20 years (have the equivalent skills) that doesn't quite cut it with respect
to me being the self proclaimed computer genius.

quackwatch.orgnccam.htmlOpen ↗ Why the National Center for
Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) Should Be Defunded.

How can we know if an alternative shows effect or doesn't when there's no chance of it getting
funding because there's no money in it or no organisation that will test it? Seems to me that
Quackwatch would have the NCCAM defunded and slow the progress of testing of alternative therapies.

As for unproven :- While investigating Coley's toxins, I got an email from the ACS saying that there
was no scientific evidence that Coley's toxins alone were effective for treating cancer. In other
words there is evidence that they are effective when used in conjunction with proven therapies. So
go figure - unproven alternative therapy when used in conjunction with mainstream methods _is_
effective.

Anth

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Barrett has studied quackery for thrity years. What are YOUR credentials?

and Peter Bowditch has no medical

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training.

However, he has an education and an inquiring mind. When you get either,

let

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us know.

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It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and more

lies.

Did you read the website about it? Peter get 30 minutes in 4 days.

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Satan will be present and very pleased.

I checked the guest roster and he is not listed.

Mark,

Clearly there is more money in marketing the "myth" than practicing it.

Barrett has no creditentials other than his claims. He could not cut it in medicine or Psychiatry so
he tries to cut it as a "Critic" amongst other things. In doing so he tries to make out he is an
expert in all matters yet all he has achieved in his miserable existence is that of a "shunted"
Psychiatrist. Would anyone in their right mind accept medical advice from a "Shrink with absolutely
no practical experience in real medicine". Get real. So I say to you that Barrett is a negative Icon
for negative people.

Bowditch is a critic also and has his following of negative people. Negative people sit at the
computer all day Mark, posting all sorts of rubbish to support their lifestyle beliefs. They find
all sorts of mentors and icons which help substantiate their narrow beliefs. It helps them from
entering the real world by giving them purpose despite that purpose being negative.

Sad thing is that negative people contribute nothing to society and try their hardest to bring
others to their level. The negative ones are in the main, ignored, and they waste their time with
futile attempts which usually reveal them for what they really are. Negative people. No real purpose
so they try and create one. Sound familiar Mark ?

Negative people play a useful role for positive people by re-affirming that a positive attitude is a
sign of life's enjoyments.

Absolutely great demonstration so far of the negative drivers acting out their negative mentality on
MHA so far in 2004.

Must go now and have one of life's enjoyments.

Cheers, Rod.

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Subject: Re: Amazing Meeting II From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 1/9/2004 11:06 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is critical
of Dr Barret and Bowditch

will

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be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

Facts are, Barrett is not qualifed to judge

Barrett has studied quackery for thrity years. What are YOUR credentials?

and Peter Bowditch has no medical

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training.

However, he has an education and an inquiring mind. When you get either,

let

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us know.

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It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and more

lies.

Did you read the website about it? Peter get 30 minutes in 4 days.

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Satan will be present and very pleased.

I checked the guest roster and he is not listed.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Dr Barret might have studied quackery, be the self proclaimed 'Guide to Health Fraud.' I have
studied computers for 20 years (have the equivalent skills) that doesn't quite cut it with respect
to me being the self proclaimed computer genius.

The word expert and genius have quite different meanings. You may not be a genius, but could you
call yourself a computer expert?

Barret is an expert on quackery, but I wouldn't call him a genius.

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quackwatch.orgnccam.htmlOpen ↗ Why the National Center for
Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) Should Be Defunded.

How can we know if an alternative shows effect or doesn't when there's no chance of it getting
funding because there's no money in it or no organisation that will test it? Seems to me that
Quackwatch would have the NCCAM defunded and slow the progress of testing of alternative
therapies.

The other problem is that even though money is available, there dosn't seem to be too many studies
being done. In addition, quite a few of the alternative treatments violate some well established
scientific laws. The probability of these treatments actually working approaches zero. From Barret's
point of view, NCCAM would be wasting money in an area for which is is impossible to get a pay back.
This money could be better spent else where.

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As for unproven :- While investigating Coley's toxins, I got an email from the ACS saying

that

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there was no scientific evidence that Coley's toxins alone were effective for treating cancer. In
other words there is evidence that they are effective when used in conjunction with proven
therapies. So go figure - unproven alternative therapy when used in conjunction with mainstream
methods _is_ effective.

<snip>

No, it means that the main stream treatments are effective and the toxins are not. You are trying to
twist their words to get some sort of positive answer. There comes a time when you have to say,
"This sounded good, but it is leading us no-where. Time to stop wasting time and resources on it and
look for something more promising." In business, they say "don't throw good money after bad".

--
"The emperor is naked!"
"No he isn't, he's merely endorsing a clothing-optional lifestyle!"

to email me
Please remove "all your clothes"

Doug

A false analogy. Quackery in medicine is a subject that medical doctors, like Barrett, have a right
to comment on. Further, he has studied it for 30 years. That makes him an expert.

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Dr Barret might have studied quackery, be the self proclaimed 'Guide to Health Fraud.' I have
studied computers for 20 years (have the equivalent skills) that doesn't quite cut it with respect
to me being the self proclaimed computer genius.

quackwatch.orgnccam.htmlOpen ↗ Why the National Center for
Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) Should Be Defunded.

How can we know if an alternative shows effect or doesn't when there's no chance of it getting
funding because there's no money in it or no organisation that will test it? Seems to me that
Quackwatch would have the NCCAM defunded and slow the progress of testing of alternative
therapies.

As for unproven :- While investigating Coley's toxins, I got an email from the ACS saying

that

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there was no scientific evidence that Coley's toxins alone were effective for treating cancer. In
other words there is evidence that they are effective when used in conjunction with proven
therapies. So go figure - unproven alternative therapy when used in conjunction with mainstream
methods _is_ effective.

Anth

"Mark ProbertJanuary 9, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Barrett has studied quackery for thrity years. What are YOUR

credentials?

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and Peter Bowditch has no medical

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training.

However, he has an education and an inquiring mind. When you get either,

let

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us know.

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It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and more

lies.

Did you read the website about it? Peter get 30 minutes in 4 days.

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Satan will be present and very pleased.

I checked the guest roster and he is not listed.

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Mark,

Clearly there is more money in marketing the "myth" than practicing it.

Yes, and that is the financial mantra of alternative medicine.

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Barrett has no creditentials other than his claims.

I have read his CV and he sure does have credentials.

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He could not cut it in medicine or Psychiatry

Oh? It seems that you cannot figure out his CV. Try again.

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so he tries to cut it as a "Critic" amongst other things.

He retired. There are several of my HS classmates who are MDs who are retiring as they approach 60.
It is a quite normal and usual thing to do.

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In doing so he tries to make out he is an expert in all matters yet all he has achieved in his
miserable existence is that of a "shunted" Psychiatrist.

A "moved to one side" psychiatrist? Strange term.

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Would anyone in their right mind accept medical advice from a "Shrink with absolutely no practical
experience in real medicine".

He had 30 years in practice. That makes for quite a bit of experience.

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Get real.

Yes, you should.

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So I say to you that Barrett is a negative Icon for negative people.

You can say what you want. That does not make you correct.

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Bowditch is a critic also and has his following of negative people.

Negative

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people sit at the computer all day Mark, posting all sorts of rubbish to support their lifestyle
beliefs. They find all sorts of mentors and icons which help substantiate their narrow beliefs. It
helps them from entering the real world by giving them purpose despite that purpose being
negative.

I was wondering when you would get around to your usual and customary gratuitous person attack.
Thanks for not letting me down.

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Sad thing is that negative people contribute nothing to society and try their hardest to bring
others to their level. The negative ones are in the main, ignored, and they waste their time with
futile attempts which

usually

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reveal them for what they really are. Negative people. No real purpose so they try and create one.
Sound familiar Mark ?

Yes. It describes many people, e.g., you, Jan, et al. I am glad that you are finally getting some
insight. Now, get some help.

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Negative people play a useful role for positive people by re-affirming

that

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a positive attitude is a sign of life's enjoyments.

Yes, and after reading your posts, I am positive that I am right.

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Absolutely great demonstration so far of the negative drivers acting out their negative mentality
on MHA so far in 2004.

Must go now and have one of life's enjoyments.

A ball peen hammer to your cranium?

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Cheers, Rod.

"Mark ProbertJanuary 9, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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>Subject: Re: Amazing Meeting II From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 1/9/2004 11:06 AM Pacific
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>Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is
>critical of Dr Barret and Bowditch

will

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>be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them. Anth

Facts are, Barrett is not qualifed to judge

Barrett has studied quackery for thrity years. What are YOUR

credentials?

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and Peter Bowditch has no medical

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training.

However, he has an education and an inquiring mind. When you get either,

let

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us know.

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It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and more

lies.

Did you read the website about it? Peter get 30 minutes in 4 days.

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Satan will be present and very pleased.

I checked the guest roster and he is not listed.

(opinion isn't science man) Anth

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There are many people writing for his site. When he does not have

citations,

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he points out the impossibility of the item under discussion.

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(Diversion) Mercola - If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend. Dr
Barret claims to espouse the scientific method and his site is a

myriad

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of information based on his own opinion - that is not 'science.' Of

course

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that will be overlooked by the wannabes like Bowditch. (Fair enough Dr Barret does supply
references for some of his

information -

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the rest is 'Pick n Mix'😉 Anth

"Mark ProbertJanuary 9, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> Shame Bolen isn't there to stir up a hornets nest. In fact I doubt that anyone who is
> critical of Dr Barret and

Bowditch

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will

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> be there so it will be plain sailing for both of them.

Do you think that there wil be anyone down the road at the conference

with

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mercola who is critical of him? Hm...perhaps Peter....

If there are any wannabe critics, they can pay the airfare and attend.

> Anth
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> "Mark ProbertJanuary 8, 2004" <[email hidden]>

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state

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of

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> > quackery. Dr. Steve Barrett, of www.Quackwatch.com fame will

describe

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the
> > situation in the USA, and *Peter Bowditch*, from Australia, will

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> Down
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Dr Barret might have studied quackery, be the self proclaimed 'Guide to Health Fraud.' I have
studied computers for 20 years (have the equivalent skills) that doesn't quite cut it with
respect to me being the self proclaimed

computer

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genius.

The word expert and genius have quite different meanings. You may not be a genius, but could you
call yourself a computer expert?

Barret is an expert on quackery, but I wouldn't call him a genius.

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quackwatch.orgnccam.htmlOpen ↗ Why the National Center for
Complementary and Alternative Medicine

(NCCAM)

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Should Be Defunded.

How can we know if an alternative shows effect or doesn't when there's

no

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chance of it getting funding because there's no money in it or no organisation that will test
it? Seems to me that Quackwatch would have the NCCAM defunded and slow the progress of testing
of alternative therapies.

The other problem is that even though money is available, there dosn't

seem

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to be too many studies being done. In addition, quite a few of the alternative treatments violate
some well established scientific laws. The probability of these treatments actually working
approaches zero. From Barret's point of view, NCCAM would be wasting money in an area for which is
is impossible to get a pay back.

This

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money could be better spent else where.

Some may, typically homepathy - advocates straining to find some kind of scientific plausibility
behind their rantings. Take for example the 2 main theories, cancer and heart disease, 2 of them
could be tested without fuss. Cancer may be with Dr Gonzalez, Dr Rath's isn't.

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As for unproven :- While investigating Coley's toxins, I got an email from the ACS saying

that

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there was no scientific evidence that Coley's toxins alone were

effective

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for treating cancer. In other words there is evidence that they are effective when used in
conjunction with proven therapies. So go figure - unproven alternative therapy when used in
conjunction

with

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mainstream methods _is_ effective.

<snip>

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No, it means that the main stream treatments are effective and the toxins are not. You are trying
to twist their words to get some sort of positive answer. There comes a time when you have to
say, "This sounded good, but it is leading us no-where. Time to stop wasting time and resources
on it and

look

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for something more promising." In business, they say "don't throw good money after bad".

Actually this is incorrect, the Toxin's in conjunction with mainstream are more effective than
mainstream alone.

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--
"The emperor is naked!" "No he isn't, he's merely endorsing a clothing-optional lifestyle!"

to email me Please remove "all your clothes"

Doug

Dr Barret wouldn't touch Dr Rath's because he knows it could hammer his credibility. (I'd take the
health route over the credibility any time) Anth

Let me see that makes him an 'expert.' So basically why don't the pharms hire him to tell us what
drugs work and don't work without expensive trials? Simple because he doesn't know - that makes him
no better than I at judging the effectiveness of a therapy. Anth

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A false analogy. Quackery in medicine is a subject that medical doctors, like Barrett, have a
right to comment on. Further, he has studied it for

30

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years. That makes him an expert.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Dr Barret might have studied quackery, be the self proclaimed 'Guide to Health Fraud.' I have
studied computers for 20 years (have the equivalent skills) that doesn't quite cut it with
respect to me being the self proclaimed

computer

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genius.

quackwatch.orgnccam.htmlOpen ↗ Why the National Center for
Complementary and Alternative Medicine

(NCCAM)

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Should Be Defunded.

How can we know if an alternative shows effect or doesn't when there's

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chance of it getting funding because there's no money in it or no organisation that will test
it? Seems to me that Quackwatch would have the NCCAM defunded and slow the progress of testing
of alternative therapies.

As for unproven :- While investigating Coley's toxins, I got an email from the ACS saying

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there was no scientific evidence that Coley's toxins alone were

effective

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for treating cancer. In other words there is evidence that they are effective when used in
conjunction with proven therapies. So go figure - unproven alternative therapy when used in
conjunction

with

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mainstream methods _is_ effective.

Anth

"Mark ProbertJanuary 9, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Barrett has studied quackery for thrity years. What are YOUR

credentials?

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and Peter Bowditch has no medical
> training.

However, he has an education and an inquiring mind. When you get

either,

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let

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us know.

> It's an atta boy back slapping meeting filled with lies, lies and

more

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lies.

Did you read the website about it? Peter get 30 minutes in 4 days.

> Satan will be present and very pleased.

I checked the guest roster and he is not listed.