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  1. SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious
    honors yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty
    Dozen" list for worst polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury
    pollution, and the city of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater
    Treatment Plant, for phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected
    organizations it feels pose a serious public health or
    environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or
    could be having serious effects on neighbors and
    communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little
    unusual," he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites
    and power plants but mercury is a big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American
    Dental Association, is a professional organization with
    around 4,500 practicing and retired dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there,"
    Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological problems,
    especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used
    for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of
    mercury each year, most of which is released into the
    environment, according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign
    organizer for Health Care Without Harm, the organization
    that nominated MDS for the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the food
    chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued
    warnings against eating fish caught in the waterways because
    of their high concentration of mercury, Rasku added.
    Hospitals around the state have specific regulations on
    mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds
    of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she
    said. "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are
    unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive
    Office of Environmental Affairs for the reduction of
    mercury, but according to Rasku, the agreement focused on
    education outreach instead of action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate
    for mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he
    said. "The simple solution is to require the dentists to
    install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    another step dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is
    caught before going into the waterways, according to
    Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts
    Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with
    two filters from the suction equipment dentists use,
    Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is then removed from
    the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the
    MDS sends out a card stating the best practices for handling
    and recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water
    Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its
    management of mercury disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the air from
    power plants...We are not getting into the ponds and lakes
    like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    Goldstein said based on research it is the best and most cost-
    effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are
    doing a very good job," he said. "We are certainly always
    open to other approaches."

    testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  2. Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the government or
    something. It is becoming spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    group's "Dirty Dozen" list for


    worst

    Quoted message said:

    polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    Massachusetts Dental


    Society

    Quoted message said:

    in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city of
    Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    phosphorus pollution, as two of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected
    organizations it feels


    pose

    Quoted message said:

    a serious public health or environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are
    or could be


    having

    Quoted message said:

    serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    Rasku, the


    center's

    Quoted message said:

    director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little
    unusual," he


    said.

    Quoted message said:

    "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    but mercury is a big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American
    Dental Association, is a professional organization with
    around 4,500 practicing and retired dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there,"
    Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological problems,
    especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used
    for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of
    mercury each


    year,

    Quoted message said:

    most of which is released into the environment, according
    to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health
    Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    Massachusetts, discharging


    36

    Quoted message said:

    pounds of mercury down the drains into the Massachusetts
    Bay every year," Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the food
    chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued
    warnings against eating fish caught in the waterways
    because of their high concentration of mercury, Rasku
    added. Hospitals around the state have specific
    regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    pounds of mercury


    into

    Quoted message said:

    the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are
    unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive
    Office of Environmental Affairs for the reduction of
    mercury, but according to


    Rasku,

    Quoted message said:

    the agreement focused on education outreach instead
    of action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout the
    state," he said. "The simple solution


    is

    Quoted message said:

    to require the dentists to install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said,
    is another step dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is
    caught before


    going

    Quoted message said:

    into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard Goldstein,
    president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught
    with two filters


    from

    Quoted message said:

    the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said. More
    than 20 percent


    is

    Quoted message said:

    then removed from the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said
    the MDS sends out


    a

    Quoted message said:

    card stating the best practices for handling and recycling
    mercury wastes and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water
    Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with
    its management of mercury disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    (mercury) reaching


    the

    Quoted message said:

    fish is already in the air from power plants...We are not
    getting into the ponds and lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    Goldstein said based on research it is the best and most
    cost-effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are
    doing a very good job," he said. "We are certainly always
    open to other approaches."

    testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  3. THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of
    mercury fillings .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the government
    or something. It is becoming spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    group's "Dirty Dozen" list for


    worst

    Quoted message said:

    polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    Massachusetts Dental


    Society

    Quoted message said:

    in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city of
    Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    phosphorus pollution, as two of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected
    organizations it feels


    pose

    Quoted message said:

    a serious public health or environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are
    or could be


    having

    Quoted message said:

    serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    Rasku, the


    center's

    Quoted message said:

    director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little
    unusual," he


    said.

    Quoted message said:

    "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    but mercury is a big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American
    Dental Association, is a professional organization with
    around 4,500 practicing and retired dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there,"
    Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological problems,
    especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings
    used for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of
    mercury each


    year,

    Quoted message said:

    most of which is released into the environment, according
    to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated
    MDS for the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    Massachusetts, discharging


    36

    Quoted message said:

    pounds of mercury down the drains into the Massachusetts
    Bay every year," Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the food
    chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued
    warnings against eating fish caught in the waterways
    because of their high concentration of mercury, Rasku
    added. Hospitals around the state have specific
    regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    pounds of mercury


    into

    Quoted message said:

    the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are
    unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive
    Office of Environmental Affairs for the reduction of
    mercury, but according to


    Rasku,

    Quoted message said:

    the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout the
    state," he said. "The simple solution


    is

    Quoted message said:

    to require the dentists to install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said,
    is another step dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is
    caught before


    going

    Quoted message said:

    into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard Goldstein,
    president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught
    with two filters


    from

    Quoted message said:

    the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said. More
    than 20 percent


    is

    Quoted message said:

    then removed from the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said
    the MDS sends out


    a

    Quoted message said:

    card stating the best practices for handling and
    recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water
    Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with
    its management of mercury disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    (mercury) reaching


    the

    Quoted message said:

    fish is already in the air from power plants...We are not
    getting into the ponds and lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    Goldstein said based on research it is the best and most
    cost-effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are
    doing a very good job," he said. "We are certainly always
    open to other approaches."

    testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm


  4. Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a
    specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is
    ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact on
    their effect. Reports of total pounds of a pollutant are
    dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out of
    context" by failing to report anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of
    mercury fillings .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the government
    or something. It is becoming spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst polluters in the
    state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    pollution, as two of the
    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected
    organizations it feels pose a serious public health or
    environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that
    are or could be having serious effects on neighbors and
    communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little
    unusual," he said. "We usually target hazardous waste
    sites and power plants but mercury is a big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American
    Dental Association, is a professional organization with
    around 4,500 practicing and retired dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there,"
    Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological problems,
    especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings
    used for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of
    mercury each year, most of which is released into the
    environment, according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston
    campaign organizer for Health Care Without Harm, the
    organization that nominated MDS for the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    food chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued
    warnings against eating fish caught in the waterways
    because of their high concentration of mercury, Rasku
    added. Hospitals around the state have specific
    regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1
    pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply but
    dentists still are unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive
    Office of Environmental Affairs for the reduction of
    mercury, but according to Rasku, the agreement focused
    on education outreach instead of action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout the
    state," he said. "The simple solution is to require the
    dentists to install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    said, is another step dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is
    caught before going into the waterways, according to Dr.
    Shepard Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental
    Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught
    with two filters from the suction equipment dentists
    use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is then
    removed from the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said
    the MDS sends out a card stating the best practices for
    handling and recycling mercury wastes and other
    chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water
    Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with
    its management of mercury disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the air from
    power plants...We are not getting into the ponds and
    lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    Goldstein said based on research it is the best and most
    cost-effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are
    doing a very good job," he said. "We are certainly
    always open to other approaches."

    testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  5. I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    charliew2 said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a
    specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is
    ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact on
    their effect. Reports of total pounds of a pollutant are
    dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out of
    context" by failing to report anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of
    mercury fillings .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    > dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    > group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst polluters in the
    > state this year.
    >
    > The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    > Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    > mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    > Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    > pollution, as two of the
    > 12.
    >
    > For the past six years, the center has selected
    > organizations it feels pose a serious public health or
    > environmental threat.
    >
    > "These are places and sites throughout the state that
    > are or could be having serious effects on neighbors and
    > communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's director.
    >
    > "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    > little unusual," he said. "We usually target hazardous
    > waste sites and power plants but mercury is a big
    > problem."
    >
    > The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American
    > Dental Association, is a professional organization with
    > around 4,500 practicing and retired dentists.
    >
    > "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there,"
    > Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological problems,
    > especially in children."
    >
    > For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings
    > used for cavities.
    >
    > Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons
    > of mercury each year, most of which is released into
    > the environment, according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston
    > campaign organizer for Health Care Without Harm, the
    > organization that nominated MDS for the award.
    >
    > "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    > Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    > the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    > Skogstrom said.
    >
    > The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    > bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    > food chain and then into our bodies."
    >
    > The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    > issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    > waterways because of their high concentration of
    > mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have
    > specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom
    > said.
    >
    > "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    > pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1
    > pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply but
    > dentists still are unregulated today."
    >
    > In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive
    > Office of Environmental Affairs for the reduction of
    > mercury, but according to Rasku, the agreement focused
    > on education outreach instead of action.
    >
    > "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    > advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    > the state," he said. "The simple solution is to require
    > the dentists to install these filters."
    >
    > Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    > said, is another step dentists can take.
    >
    > More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is
    > caught before going into the waterways, according to
    > Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts
    > Dental Society.
    >
    > Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught
    > with two filters from the suction equipment dentists
    > use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is then
    > removed from the waste management companies.
    >
    > Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    > said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    > practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes and
    > other chemicals.
    >
    > The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    > Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    > happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >
    > "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    > (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the air from
    > power plants...We are not getting into the ponds and
    > lakes like that."
    >
    > In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    > Goldstein said based on research it is the best and
    > most cost-effective product.
    >
    > "In the present moment with everything out there we are
    > doing a very good job," he said. "We are certainly
    > always open to other approaches."
    >
    > testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  6. They make it sound that mercury is synthesised in a lab vs
    found in nature. If in comes from the earth it stays in the
    earth unless Martians brought it here.

    "Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S." <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    charliew2 said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of
    a specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is
    ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact
    on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a pollutant
    are dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out
    of context" by failing to report anything about
    concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared
    of mercury fillings .......

    JOEL

    > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    > understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    > government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.
    >
    > jwn dds
    >
    > "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    >> dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    >> group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst polluters in the
    >> state this year.
    >>
    >> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    >> Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    >> mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    >> Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    >> pollution, as two of the
    >> 12.
    >>
    >> For the past six years, the center has selected
    >> organizations it feels pose a serious public health
    >> or environmental threat.
    >>
    >> "These are places and sites throughout the state that
    >> are or could be having serious effects on neighbors
    >> and communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's
    >> director.
    >>
    >> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    >> little unusual," he said. "We usually target
    >> hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury is
    >> a big problem."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the
    >> American Dental Association, is a professional
    >> organization with around 4,500 practicing and retired
    >> dentists.
    >>
    >> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out
    >> there," Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological
    >> problems, especially in children."
    >>
    >> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings
    >> used for cavities.
    >>
    >> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons
    >> of mercury each year, most of which is released into
    >> the environment, according to Tiffany Skogstrom,
    >> Boston campaign organizer for Health Care Without
    >> Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for the
    >> award.
    >>
    >> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    >> Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    >> the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    >> Skogstrom said.
    >>
    >> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    >> bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    >> food chain and then into our bodies."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    >> issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    >> waterways because of their high concentration of
    >> mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have
    >> specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom
    >> said.
    >>
    >> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    >> pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1
    >> pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply but
    >> dentists still are unregulated today."
    >>
    >> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the
    >> Executive Office of Environmental Affairs for the
    >> reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku, the
    >> agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >> action.
    >>
    >> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    >> advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    >> the state," he said. "The simple solution is to
    >> require the dentists to install these filters."
    >>
    >> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    >> said, is another step dentists can take.
    >>
    >> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists
    >> is caught before going into the waterways, according
    >> to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    >> Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>
    >> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is
    >> caught with two filters from the suction equipment
    >> dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is
    >> then removed from the waste management companies.
    >>
    >> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    >> said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    >> practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    >> and other chemicals.
    >>
    >> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    >> Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    >> happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >>
    >> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    >> (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the air
    >> from power plants...We are not getting into the ponds
    >> and lakes like that."
    >>
    >> In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    >> Goldstein said based on research it is the best and
    >> most cost-effective product.
    >>
    >> "In the present moment with everything out there we
    >> are doing a very good job," he said. "We are
    >> certainly always open to other approaches."
    >>
    >> testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  7. Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very small
    group of critical neurons in your brain, that were
    absolutely necessary to life, and the 17 micrograms of
    mercury were purified into the most toxic form known to man
    and injected into those neurons, would the quantity matter
    to you? If you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a
    concentration of 1 part per billion, and this concentration
    was known to be harmless, would the quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of
    difference.

    Quoted message said:
    charliew2 said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of
    a specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is
    ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact
    on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a pollutant
    are dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out
    of context" by failing to report anything about
    concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of
    mercury fillings .......

    JOEL

    > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    > understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    > government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.
    >
    > jwn dds
    >
    > "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    >> dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    >> group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst polluters in the
    >> state this year.
    >>
    >> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    >> Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    >> mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    >> Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    >> pollution, as two of the
    >> 12.
    >>
    >> For the past six years, the center has selected
    >> organizations it feels pose a serious public health or
    >> environmental threat.
    >>
    >> "These are places and sites throughout the state that
    >> are or could be having serious effects on neighbors
    >> and communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's
    >> director.
    >>
    >> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    >> little unusual," he said. "We usually target hazardous
    >> waste sites and power plants but mercury is a big
    >> problem."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American
    >> Dental Association, is a professional organization
    >> with around 4,500 practicing and retired dentists.
    >>
    >> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out
    >> there," Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological
    >> problems, especially in children."
    >>
    >> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings
    >> used for cavities.
    >>
    >> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons
    >> of mercury each year, most of which is released into
    >> the environment, according to Tiffany Skogstrom,
    >> Boston campaign organizer for Health Care Without
    >> Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for the
    >> award.
    >>
    >> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    >> Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    >> the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    >> Skogstrom said.
    >>
    >> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    >> bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    >> food chain and then into our bodies."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    >> issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    >> waterways because of their high concentration of
    >> mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have
    >> specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom
    >> said.
    >>
    >> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    >> pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1
    >> pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply but
    >> dentists still are unregulated today."
    >>
    >> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the
    >> Executive Office of Environmental Affairs for the
    >> reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku, the
    >> agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >> action.
    >>
    >> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    >> advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    >> the state," he said. "The simple solution is to
    >> require the dentists to install these filters."
    >>
    >> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    >> said, is another step dentists can take.
    >>
    >> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists
    >> is caught before going into the waterways, according
    >> to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    >> Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>
    >> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught
    >> with two filters from the suction equipment dentists
    >> use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is then
    >> removed from the waste management companies.
    >>
    >> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    >> said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    >> practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    >> and other chemicals.
    >>
    >> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    >> Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    >> happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >>
    >> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    >> (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the air from
    >> power plants...We are not getting into the ponds and
    >> lakes like that."
    >>
    >> In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    >> Goldstein said based on research it is the best and
    >> most cost-effective product.
    >>
    >> "In the present moment with everything out there we
    >> are doing a very good job," he said. "We are certainly
    >> always open to other approaches."
    >>
    >> testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  8. On 14 Jun 2004 10:40:27 -0700, [email hidden] (Alexander

    Vasserman DDS. said:

    They make it sound that mercury is synthesised in a lab vs
    found in nature. If in comes from the earth it stays in the
    earth unless Martians brought it here.

    They might have but mercury is still mercury ......

    Quoted message said:

    "Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S." <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    charliew2 said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of
    a specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this
    is ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE
    impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a
    pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take
    pollution "out of context" by failing to report anything
    about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    > THIS IS IT!
    >
    > They come here because they think the world is scared
    > of mercury fillings .......
    >
    >
    > JOEL
    >
    >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    >> understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    >> government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.
    >>
    >> jwn dds
    >>
    >> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    >>> dubious honors yesterday, landing on an
    >>> environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst
    >>> polluters in the state this year.
    >>>
    >>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    >>> Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    >>> mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    >>> Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    >>> pollution, as two of the
    >>> 12.
    >>>
    >>> For the past six years, the center has selected
    >>> organizations it feels pose a serious public health
    >>> or environmental threat.
    >>>
    >>> "These are places and sites throughout the state
    >>> that are or could be having serious effects on
    >>> neighbors and communities," said Jay Rasku, the
    >>> center's director.
    >>>
    >>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    >>> little unusual," he said. "We usually target
    >>> hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury
    >>> is a big problem."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the
    >>> American Dental Association, is a professional
    >>> organization with around 4,500 practicing and
    >>> retired dentists.
    >>>
    >>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out
    >>> there," Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological
    >>> problems, especially in children."
    >>>
    >>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam
    >>> fillings used for cavities.
    >>>
    >>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric
    >>> tons of mercury each year, most of which is released
    >>> into the environment, according to Tiffany
    >>> Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health Care
    >>> Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS
    >>> for the award.
    >>>
    >>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    >>> Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    >>> the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    >>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    >>> bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    >>> food chain and then into our bodies."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    >>> issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    >>> waterways because of their high concentration of
    >>> mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >>> have specific regulations on mercury disposal,
    >>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    >>> pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had
    >>> 1 pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply
    >>> but dentists still are unregulated today."
    >>>
    >>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the
    >>> Executive Office of Environmental Affairs for the
    >>> reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku, the
    >>> agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>> action.
    >>>
    >>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    >>> advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    >>> the state," he said. "The simple solution is to
    >>> require the dentists to install these filters."
    >>>
    >>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    >>> said, is another step dentists can take.
    >>>
    >>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists
    >>> is caught before going into the waterways, according
    >>> to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    >>> Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>
    >>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is
    >>> caught with two filters from the suction equipment
    >>> dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent
    >>> is then removed from the waste management companies.
    >>>
    >>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    >>> said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    >>> practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    >>> and other chemicals.
    >>>
    >>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    >>> Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    >>> happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >>>
    >>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of
    >>> the (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the
    >>> air from power plants...We are not getting into the
    >>> ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>
    >>> In response to using another product besides
    >>> amalgam, Goldstein said based on research it is the
    >>> best and most cost-effective product.
    >>>
    >>> "In the present moment with everything out there we
    >>> are doing a very good job," he said. "We are
    >>> certainly always open to other approaches."
    >>>
    >>> testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm


  9. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:51:16 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very
    small group of critical neurons in your brain, that were
    absolutely necessary to life, and the 17 micrograms of
    mercury were purified into the most toxic form known to
    man and injected into those neurons, would the quantity
    matter to you?

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not
    think so. Epidemiology would establish that.

    Quoted message said:

    If you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a
    concentration of 1 part per billion, and this concentration
    was known to be harmless, would the quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of
    difference.

    Quoted message said:
    charliew2 said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of
    a specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this
    is ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE
    impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a
    pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take
    pollution "out of context" by failing to report anything
    about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    > THIS IS IT!
    >
    > They come here because they think the world is scared
    > of mercury fillings .......
    >
    >
    > JOEL
    >
    >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    >> understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    >> government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.
    >>
    >> jwn dds
    >>
    >> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    >>> dubious honors yesterday, landing on an environmental
    >>> group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst polluters in the
    >>> state this year.
    >>>
    >>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    >>> Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    >>> mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    >>> Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    >>> pollution, as two of the
    >>> 12.
    >>>
    >>> For the past six years, the center has selected
    >>> organizations it feels pose a serious public health
    >>> or environmental threat.
    >>>
    >>> "These are places and sites throughout the state that
    >>> are or could be having serious effects on neighbors
    >>> and communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's
    >>> director.
    >>>
    >>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    >>> little unusual," he said. "We usually target
    >>> hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury is
    >>> a big problem."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the
    >>> American Dental Association, is a professional
    >>> organization with around 4,500 practicing and retired
    >>> dentists.
    >>>
    >>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out
    >>> there," Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological
    >>> problems, especially in children."
    >>>
    >>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings
    >>> used for cavities.
    >>>
    >>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons
    >>> of mercury each year, most of which is released into
    >>> the environment, according to Tiffany Skogstrom,
    >>> Boston campaign organizer for Health Care Without
    >>> Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for the
    >>> award.
    >>>
    >>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    >>> Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    >>> the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    >>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    >>> bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    >>> food chain and then into our bodies."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    >>> issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    >>> waterways because of their high concentration of
    >>> mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have
    >>> specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom
    >>> said.
    >>>
    >>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    >>> pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1
    >>> pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply but
    >>> dentists still are unregulated today."
    >>>
    >>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the
    >>> Executive Office of Environmental Affairs for the
    >>> reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku, the
    >>> agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>> action.
    >>>
    >>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    >>> advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    >>> the state," he said. "The simple solution is to
    >>> require the dentists to install these filters."
    >>>
    >>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    >>> said, is another step dentists can take.
    >>>
    >>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists
    >>> is caught before going into the waterways, according
    >>> to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    >>> Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>
    >>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is
    >>> caught with two filters from the suction equipment
    >>> dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is
    >>> then removed from the waste management companies.
    >>>
    >>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    >>> said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    >>> practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    >>> and other chemicals.
    >>>
    >>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    >>> Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    >>> happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >>>
    >>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the
    >>> (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the air
    >>> from power plants...We are not getting into the ponds
    >>> and lakes like that."
    >>>
    >>> In response to using another product besides amalgam,
    >>> Goldstein said based on research it is the best and
    >>> most cost-effective product.
    >>>
    >>> "In the present moment with everything out there we
    >>> are doing a very good job," he said. "We are
    >>> certainly always open to other approaches."
    >>>
    >>> testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  10. Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole lot
    to do with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and chickens
    will kill a duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass it through,
    the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens, but
    that's another newsgroup.

    "charliew2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very
    small group of critical neurons in your brain, that were
    absolutely necessary to life,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the 17 micrograms of mercury were purified into the most
    toxic form known


    to

    Quoted message said:

    man and injected into those neurons, would the quantity
    matter to you? If you were exposed to those same 17
    micrograms at a concentration of 1 part per billion, and
    this concentration was known to be harmless, would the
    quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of
    difference.

    Quoted message said:
    charliew2 said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound
    of a specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know,
    this is ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a
    HUGE impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of
    a pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take
    pollution "out of context" by failing to report
    anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    > THIS IS IT!
    >
    > They come here because they think the world is scared
    > of mercury fillings .......
    >
    >
    > JOEL
    >
    >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    >> understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    >> government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.
    >>
    >> jwn dds
    >>
    >> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    >>> dubious honors yesterday, landing on an
    >>> environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst
    >>> polluters in the state this year.
    >>>
    >>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    >>> Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    >>> mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    >>> Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    >>> pollution, as two of the
    >>> 12.
    >>>
    >>> For the past six years, the center has selected
    >>> organizations it feels pose a serious public health
    >>> or environmental threat.
    >>>
    >>> "These are places and sites throughout the state
    >>> that are or could be having serious effects on
    >>> neighbors and communities," said Jay Rasku, the
    >>> center's director.
    >>>
    >>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    >>> little unusual," he said. "We usually target
    >>> hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury
    >>> is a big problem."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the
    >>> American Dental Association, is a professional
    >>> organization with around 4,500 practicing and
    >>> retired dentists.
    >>>
    >>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out
    >>> there," Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological
    >>> problems, especially in children."
    >>>
    >>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam
    >>> fillings used for cavities.
    >>>
    >>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric
    >>> tons of mercury each year, most of which is released
    >>> into the environment, according to Tiffany
    >>> Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health Care
    >>> Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS
    >>> for the award.
    >>>
    >>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    >>> Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    >>> the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    >>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    >>> bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    >>> food chain and then into our bodies."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    >>> issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    >>> waterways because of their high concentration of
    >>> mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >>> have specific regulations on mercury disposal,
    >>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    >>> pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had
    >>> 1 pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply
    >>> but dentists still are unregulated today."
    >>>
    >>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the
    >>> Executive Office of Environmental Affairs for the
    >>> reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku, the
    >>> agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>> action.
    >>>
    >>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    >>> advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    >>> the state," he said. "The simple solution is to
    >>> require the dentists to install these filters."
    >>>
    >>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    >>> said, is another step dentists can take.
    >>>
    >>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists
    >>> is caught before going into the waterways, according
    >>> to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    >>> Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>
    >>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is
    >>> caught with two filters from the suction equipment
    >>> dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent
    >>> is then removed from the waste management companies.
    >>>
    >>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    >>> said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    >>> practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    >>> and other chemicals.
    >>>
    >>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    >>> Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    >>> happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >>>
    >>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of
    >>> the (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the
    >>> air from power plants...We are not getting into the
    >>> ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>
    >>> In response to using another product besides
    >>> amalgam, Goldstein said based on research it is the
    >>> best and most cost-effective product.
    >>>
    >>> "In the present moment with everything out there we
    >>> are doing a very good job," he said. "We are
    >>> certainly always open to other approaches."
    >>>
    >>> testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  11. Joel M. Eichen said:

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not
    think so. Epidemiology would establish that.

    Yeah, but everyone knows chocolate ice cream goes
    straight to your ass neurons.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS dentaltwins.comdentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY

  12. Joel M. Eichen said:
    charliew2 said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of
    mercury was released into the atmosphere due to forest
    fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very
    small group of critical neurons in your brain, that were
    absolutely necessary to life, and the 17 micrograms of
    mercury were purified into the most toxic form known to
    man and injected into those neurons, would the quantity
    matter to you?

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    Meaning that you concede by not answering the question. Look
    at it this way - there are unknown tons of mercury in the
    environment, and unless you can do a nuclear transformation
    on all of those tons, they will continue to stay in the
    environment. The mere fact that they exist does not
    necessarily pose any threat.

    Quoted message said:


    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not
    think so. Epidemiology would establish that.

    Quoted message said:

    If you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a
    concentration of 1 part per billion, and this
    concentration was known to be harmless, would the
    quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of
    difference.

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound
    > of a specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know,
    > this is ludicrous. Concentration of pollutants has a
    > HUGE impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of
    > a pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take
    > pollution "out of context" by failing to report
    > anything about concentration.
    >
    > Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    >> THIS IS IT!
    >>
    >> They come here because they think the world is scared
    >> of mercury fillings .......
    >>
    >>
    >> JOEL
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds"
    >>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We
    >>> understand you don't like it. Now go lobby the
    >>> government or something. It is becoming spamtastic.
    >>>
    >>> jwn dds
    >>>
    >>> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received
    >>>> dubious honors yesterday, landing on an
    >>>> environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst
    >>>> polluters in the state this year.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the
    >>>> Massachusetts Dental Society in Southborough, for
    >>>> mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    >>>> Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus
    >>>> pollution, as two of the
    >>>> 12.
    >>>>
    >>>> For the past six years, the center has selected
    >>>> organizations it feels pose a serious public health
    >>>> or environmental threat.
    >>>>
    >>>> "These are places and sites throughout the state
    >>>> that are or could be having serious effects on
    >>>> neighbors and communities," said Jay Rasku, the
    >>>> center's director.
    >>>>
    >>>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a
    >>>> little unusual," he said. "We usually target
    >>>> hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury
    >>>> is a big problem."
    >>>>
    >>>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the
    >>>> American Dental Association, is a professional
    >>>> organization with around 4,500 practicing and
    >>>> retired dentists.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out
    >>>> there," Rasku said. "It causes severe neurological
    >>>> problems, especially in children."
    >>>>
    >>>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam
    >>>> fillings used for cavities.
    >>>>
    >>>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric
    >>>> tons of mercury each year, most of which is released
    >>>> into the environment, according to Tiffany
    >>>> Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health Care
    >>>> Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS
    >>>> for the award.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in
    >>>> Massachusetts, discharging 36 pounds of mercury down
    >>>> the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    >>>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>>
    >>>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-
    >>>> bearing age and children under 12. "It gets into the
    >>>> food chain and then into our bodies."
    >>>>
    >>>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has
    >>>> issued warnings against eating fish caught in the
    >>>> waterways because of their high concentration of
    >>>> mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >>>> have specific regulations on mercury disposal,
    >>>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>>
    >>>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22
    >>>> pounds of mercury into the water. In 2001, they had
    >>>> 1 pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to comply
    >>>> but dentists still are unregulated today."
    >>>>
    >>>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the
    >>>> Executive Office of Environmental Affairs for the
    >>>> reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku, the
    >>>> agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>>> action.
    >>>>
    >>>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and
    >>>> advocate for mercury filters for dentists throughout
    >>>> the state," he said. "The simple solution is to
    >>>> require the dentists to install these filters."
    >>>>
    >>>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku
    >>>> said, is another step dentists can take.
    >>>>
    >>>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists
    >>>> is caught before going into the waterways, according
    >>>> to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    >>>> Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>>
    >>>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is
    >>>> caught with two filters from the suction equipment
    >>>> dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent
    >>>> is then removed from the waste management companies.
    >>>>
    >>>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein
    >>>> said the MDS sends out a card stating the best
    >>>> practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    >>>> and other chemicals.
    >>>>
    >>>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts
    >>>> Water Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is
    >>>> happy with its management of mercury disposal.
    >>>>
    >>>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of
    >>>> the (mercury) reaching the fish is already in the
    >>>> air from power plants...We are not getting into the
    >>>> ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>>
    >>>> In response to using another product besides
    >>>> amalgam, Goldstein said based on research it is the
    >>>> best and most cost-effective product.
    >>>>
    >>>> "In the present moment with everything out there we
    >>>> are doing a very good job," he said. "We are
    >>>> certainly always open to other approaches."
    >>>>
    >>>> testfoundation.orgignominioushonors.htm

  13. Teel Adams said:

    Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole
    lot to do with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and chickens
    will kill a duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass it through,
    the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens, but
    that's another newsgroup.

    Just don't enjoy the experiment too much ... if you do, I
    might accuse you of being a mad scientist!

    (cut)

  14. Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do
    not think so. Epidemiology would establish that.

    Yeah, but everyone knows chocolate ice cream goes
    straight to your ass neurons.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:

    Ohhh-h-h-h-hh so that's where the neurons are .......

  15. Of the last seventy six days of judicial hearings that I've
    gone through, I suspect at least six hours were on the
    unsuitability of human toxicology levels to assess
    environmental health risks. Everytime the example of
    Selenium came up, I always wanted to jump up and mention how
    much of that "toxic" material I was gulping down a die as a
    post cardiac attack patient.

    BTW the hearing is over, only closing arguments, the
    eventual exceptions to file, and then the appeal to gawd
    knows what court. Found myself learning more about the
    state of knowledge about coal fired powerplants than I ever
    wanted to know.

    Yet, Mercury is such an interesting tragedy that has
    occurred. Many of the true hotspots occurred because learned
    men knew that the form of mercury waste was insoluble, not
    understanding anaerobic bacteria, and a tragic change in
    availability. Everyone should read what happened with
    mercury, a good defense against hubris. Reality has a way of
    mocking good engineering calculations.

    "charliew2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teel Adams said:

    Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole
    lot to do with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and
    chickens will kill a duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass
    it through, the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens,
    but that's another newsgroup.

    Just don't enjoy the experiment too much ... if you do, I
    might accuse you of being a mad scientist!

    (cut)

  16. The issue here is that we are ingesting it from our
    environment (ie fish) everything else pretty much gets
    filtered or is already regulated. What I am saying is that
    our environment has a fixed quantity of Hg, by adding
    regulation of waste disposal you are not going to decrease
    amount of Hg on the planet. Its in the oceans already and
    with global warming, melting of the polar ice water,
    concentrations stay the same if not diluted according to our
    scientists. Additionally Hg use in dentistry is on the
    decline, eventually this is not going to be a problem. This
    is analogous to the Y2K panic that ended up a waste of time.

    "Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S." <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:34:11 -0400, Mark & Steven Bornfeld

    DDS said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do
    not think so. Epidemiology would establish that.

    Yeah, but everyone knows chocolate ice cream goes
    straight to your ass neurons.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:

    Ohhh-h-h-h-hh so that's where the neurons are .......

  17. On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:18 -0400, "Teel Adams" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Of the last seventy six days of judicial hearings that I've
    gone through, I suspect at least six hours were on the
    unsuitability of human toxicology levels to assess
    environmental health risks. Everytime the example of
    Selenium came up,

    Sorry, Jan Drew already warned us .... we stopped using
    selenium fillings years ago ....... Selenium interferes with
    waltzing and square dancing ........... however, its no
    problem when Line Dancing ......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    I always wanted to jump up and mention how much of that
    "toxic" material I was gulping down a die as a post
    cardiac attack patient.

    BTW the hearing is over, only closing arguments, the
    eventual exceptions to file, and then the appeal to gawd
    knows what court. Found myself learning more about the
    state of knowledge about coal fired powerplants than I ever
    wanted to know.

    Yet, Mercury is such an interesting tragedy that has
    occurred. Many of the true hotspots occurred because
    learned men knew that the form of mercury waste was
    insoluble, not understanding anaerobic bacteria, and a
    tragic change in availability. Everyone should read what
    happened with mercury, a good defense against hubris.
    Reality has a way of mocking good engineering calculations.

    "charliew2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teel Adams said:

    Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a
    whole lot to do with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and
    chickens will kill a duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass
    it through, the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens,
    but that's another newsgroup.

    Just don't enjoy the experiment too much ... if you do, I
    might accuse you of being a mad scientist!

    (cut)


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