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  1. SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list for worst
    polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts Dental Society
    in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it feels pose
    a serious public health or environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could be having
    serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay Rasku, the center's
    director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual," he said.
    "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury is a
    big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental Association,
    is a professional organization with around 4,500 practicing and retired
    dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said. "It
    causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury each year,
    most of which is released into the environment, according to Tiffany
    Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health Care Without Harm, the
    organization that nominated MDS for the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts, discharging 36
    pounds of mercury down the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age and
    children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings against
    eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high concentration of
    mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have specific regulations
    on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of mercury into
    the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to
    comply but dentists still are unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according to Rasku,
    the agreement focused on education outreach instead of action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for mercury
    filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The simple solution is
    to require the dentists to install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is another step
    dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught before going
    into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    Massachusetts Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two filters from
    the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent is
    then removed from the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS sends out a
    card stating the best practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of mercury
    disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury) reaching the
    fish is already in the air from power plants...We are not getting into the
    ponds and lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein said based
    on research it is the best and most cost-effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a very good
    job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other approaches."

    http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  2. Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you don't
    like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is becoming
    spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list for


    worst

    Quoted message said:

    polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts Dental


    Society

    Quoted message said:

    in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus pollution, as two of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it feels


    pose

    Quoted message said:

    a serious public health or environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could be


    having

    Quoted message said:

    serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay Rasku, the


    center's

    Quoted message said:

    director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual," he


    said.

    Quoted message said:

    "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury is a
    big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental Association,
    is a professional organization with around 4,500 practicing and retired
    dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said. "It
    causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury each


    year,

    Quoted message said:

    most of which is released into the environment, according to Tiffany
    Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health Care Without Harm, the
    organization that nominated MDS for the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts, discharging


    36

    Quoted message said:

    pounds of mercury down the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age and
    children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings against
    eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high concentration of
    mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have specific regulations
    on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of mercury


    into

    Quoted message said:

    the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to
    comply but dentists still are unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according to


    Rasku,

    Quoted message said:

    the agreement focused on education outreach instead of action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for mercury
    filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The simple solution


    is

    Quoted message said:

    to require the dentists to install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is another step
    dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught before


    going

    Quoted message said:

    into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    Massachusetts Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two filters


    from

    Quoted message said:

    the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent


    is

    Quoted message said:

    then removed from the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS sends out


    a

    Quoted message said:

    card stating the best practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of mercury
    disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury) reaching


    the

    Quoted message said:

    fish is already in the air from power plants...We are not getting into the
    ponds and lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein said based
    on research it is the best and most cost-effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a very good
    job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other approaches."

    http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  3. THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    fillings .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you don't
    like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is becoming
    spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list for


    worst

    Quoted message said:

    polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts Dental


    Society

    Quoted message said:

    in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city of Marlborough's
    Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for phosphorus pollution, as two of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it feels


    pose

    Quoted message said:

    a serious public health or environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could be


    having

    Quoted message said:

    serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay Rasku, the


    center's

    Quoted message said:

    director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual," he


    said.

    Quoted message said:

    "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants but mercury is a
    big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental Association,
    is a professional organization with around 4,500 practicing and retired
    dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said. "It
    causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury each


    year,

    Quoted message said:

    most of which is released into the environment, according to Tiffany
    Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for Health Care Without Harm, the
    organization that nominated MDS for the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts, discharging


    36

    Quoted message said:

    pounds of mercury down the drains into the Massachusetts Bay every year,"
    Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age and
    children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings against
    eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high concentration of
    mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state have specific regulations
    on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of mercury


    into

    Quoted message said:

    the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said. "Hospitals are forced to
    comply but dentists still are unregulated today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according to


    Rasku,

    Quoted message said:

    the agreement focused on education outreach instead of action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for mercury
    filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The simple solution


    is

    Quoted message said:

    to require the dentists to install these filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is another step
    dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught before


    going

    Quoted message said:

    into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard Goldstein, president of the
    Massachusetts Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two filters


    from

    Quoted message said:

    the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said. More than 20 percent


    is

    Quoted message said:

    then removed from the waste management companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS sends out


    a

    Quoted message said:

    card stating the best practices for handling and recycling mercury wastes
    and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of mercury
    disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury) reaching


    the

    Quoted message said:

    fish is already in the air from power plants...We are not getting into the
    ponds and lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein said based
    on research it is the best and most cost-effective product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a very good
    job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other approaches."

    http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm


  4. Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous. Concentration of
    pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a
    pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out of
    context" by failing to report anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    fillings .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    becoming spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list
    for worst polluters in the state this year.

    The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city
    of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    12.

    For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.

    "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    Rasku, the center's director.

    "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    but mercury is a big problem."

    The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    practicing and retired dentists.

    "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said.
    "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."

    For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    cavities.

    Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    the award.

    "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.

    The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    our bodies."

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.

    "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    today."

    In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    action.

    "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    filters."

    Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    another step dentists can take.

    More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.

    Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    companies.

    Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.

    The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    mercury disposal.

    "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."

    In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    product.

    "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    approaches."

    http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  5. I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous. Concentration of
    pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a
    pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out of
    context" by failing to report anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    fillings .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    becoming spamtastic.

    jwn dds

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    > yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list
    > for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >
    > The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    > Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city
    > of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    > phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    > 12.
    >
    > For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    > feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >
    > "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    > be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    > Rasku, the center's director.
    >
    > "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    > he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    > but mercury is a big problem."
    >
    > The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    > Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    > practicing and retired dentists.
    >
    > "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said.
    > "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."
    >
    > For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    > cavities.
    >
    > Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    > each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    > according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    > Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    > the award.
    >
    > "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    > discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    > Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >
    > The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    > and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    > our bodies."
    >
    > The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    > against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    > concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    > have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.
    >
    > "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    > mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    > "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    > today."
    >
    > In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    > Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    > to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    > action.
    >
    > "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    > mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    > simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    > filters."
    >
    > Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    > another step dentists can take.
    >
    > More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    > before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    > Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >
    > Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    > filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    > More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    > companies.
    >
    > Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    > sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    > recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >
    > The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    > Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    > mercury disposal.
    >
    > "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    > reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    > not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >
    > In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    > said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    > product.
    >
    > "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    > very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    > approaches."
    >
    > http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm


  6. They make it sound that mercury is synthesised in a lab vs found in nature.
    If in comes from the earth it stays in the earth unless Martians brought it here.

    "Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous. Concentration of
    pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a
    pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out of
    context" by failing to report anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    fillings .......

    JOEL

    > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    > don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    > becoming spamtastic.
    >
    > jwn dds
    >
    > "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    >> yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list
    >> for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >>
    >> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    >> Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city
    >> of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    >> phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    >> 12.
    >>
    >> For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    >> feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >>
    >> "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    >> be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    >> Rasku, the center's director.
    >>
    >> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    >> he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    >> but mercury is a big problem."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    >> Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    >> practicing and retired dentists.
    >>
    >> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said.
    >> "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."
    >>
    >> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    >> cavities.
    >>
    >> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    >> each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    >> according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    >> Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    >> the award.
    >>
    >> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    >> discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    >> Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >>
    >> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    >> and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    >> our bodies."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    >> against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    >> concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >> have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.
    >>
    >> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    >> mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    >> "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    >> today."
    >>
    >> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    >> Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    >> to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >> action.
    >>
    >> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    >> mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    >> simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    >> filters."
    >>
    >> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    >> another step dentists can take.
    >>
    >> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    >> before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    >> Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>
    >> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    >> filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    >> More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    >> companies.
    >>
    >> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    >> sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    >> recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >>
    >> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    >> Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    >> mercury disposal.
    >>
    >> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    >> reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    >> not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >>
    >> In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    >> said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    >> product.
    >>
    >> "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    >> very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    >> approaches."
    >>
    >> http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm


  7. Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very small group of
    critical neurons in your brain, that were absolutely necessary to life, and
    the 17 micrograms of mercury were purified into the most toxic form known to
    man and injected into those neurons, would the quantity matter to you? If
    you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a concentration of 1 part
    per billion, and this concentration was known to be harmless, would the
    quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of difference.

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous.
    Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect.
    Reports of total pounds of a pollutant are dishonest, because these
    reports take pollution "out of context" by failing to report
    anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen said:

    THIS IS IT!

    They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    fillings .......

    JOEL

    > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:

    > Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    > don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    > becoming spamtastic.
    >
    > jwn dds
    >
    > "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious
    >> honors yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty
    >> Dozen" list for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >>
    >> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    >> Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the
    >> city of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    >> phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    >> 12.
    >>
    >> For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    >> feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >>
    >> "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    >> be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    >> Rasku, the center's director.
    >>
    >> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    >> he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    >> but mercury is a big problem."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    >> Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    >> practicing and retired dentists.
    >>
    >> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku
    >> said. "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in
    >> children."
    >>
    >> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    >> cavities.
    >>
    >> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    >> each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    >> according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    >> Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    >> the award.
    >>
    >> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    >> discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    >> Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >>
    >> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    >> and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    >> our bodies."
    >>
    >> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    >> against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    >> concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >> have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.
    >>
    >> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    >> mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    >> "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    >> today."
    >>
    >> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    >> Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    >> to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >> action.
    >>
    >> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    >> mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    >> simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    >> filters."
    >>
    >> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    >> another step dentists can take.
    >>
    >> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    >> before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    >> Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>
    >> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    >> filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    >> More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    >> companies.
    >>
    >> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    >> sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    >> recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >>
    >> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    >> Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    >> mercury disposal.
    >>
    >> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    >> reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    >> not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >>
    >> In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    >> said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    >> product.
    >>
    >> "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    >> very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    >> approaches."
    >>
    >> http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  8. On 14 Jun 2004 10:40:27 -0700, [email hidden] (Alexander

    Vasserman DDS. said:

    They make it sound that mercury is synthesised in a lab vs found in nature.
    If in comes from the earth it stays in the earth unless Martians brought it here.

    They might have but mercury is still mercury ......

    Quoted message said:

    "Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous. Concentration of
    pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect. Reports of total pounds of a
    pollutant are dishonest, because these reports take pollution "out of
    context" by failing to report anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    > THIS IS IT!
    >
    > They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    > fillings .......
    >
    >
    > JOEL
    >
    >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    >> don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    >> becoming spamtastic.
    >>
    >> jwn dds
    >>
    >> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious honors
    >>> yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty Dozen" list
    >>> for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >>>
    >>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    >>> Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the city
    >>> of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    >>> phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    >>> 12.
    >>>
    >>> For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    >>> feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >>>
    >>> "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    >>> be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    >>> Rasku, the center's director.
    >>>
    >>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    >>> he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    >>> but mercury is a big problem."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    >>> Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    >>> practicing and retired dentists.
    >>>
    >>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku said.
    >>> "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in children."
    >>>
    >>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    >>> cavities.
    >>>
    >>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    >>> each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    >>> according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    >>> Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    >>> the award.
    >>>
    >>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    >>> discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    >>> Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    >>> and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    >>> our bodies."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    >>> against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    >>> concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >>> have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    >>> mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    >>> "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    >>> today."
    >>>
    >>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    >>> Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    >>> to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>> action.
    >>>
    >>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    >>> mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    >>> simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    >>> filters."
    >>>
    >>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    >>> another step dentists can take.
    >>>
    >>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    >>> before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    >>> Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>
    >>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    >>> filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    >>> More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    >>> companies.
    >>>
    >>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    >>> sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    >>> recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >>>
    >>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    >>> Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    >>> mercury disposal.
    >>>
    >>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    >>> reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    >>> not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>
    >>> In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    >>> said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    >>> product.
    >>>
    >>> "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    >>> very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    >>> approaches."
    >>>
    >>> http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  9. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:51:16 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very small group of
    critical neurons in your brain, that were absolutely necessary to life, and
    the 17 micrograms of mercury were purified into the most toxic form known to
    man and injected into those neurons, would the quantity matter to you?

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not think so.
    Epidemiology would establish that.

    Quoted message said:

    If
    you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a concentration of 1 part
    per billion, and this concentration was known to be harmless, would the
    quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of difference.

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous.
    Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect.
    Reports of total pounds of a pollutant are dishonest, because these
    reports take pollution "out of context" by failing to report
    anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    > THIS IS IT!
    >
    > They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    > fillings .......
    >
    >
    > JOEL
    >
    >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote:
    >
    >> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    >> don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    >> becoming spamtastic.
    >>
    >> jwn dds
    >>
    >> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious
    >>> honors yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty
    >>> Dozen" list for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >>>
    >>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    >>> Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the
    >>> city of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    >>> phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    >>> 12.
    >>>
    >>> For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    >>> feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >>>
    >>> "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    >>> be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    >>> Rasku, the center's director.
    >>>
    >>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    >>> he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    >>> but mercury is a big problem."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    >>> Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    >>> practicing and retired dentists.
    >>>
    >>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku
    >>> said. "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in
    >>> children."
    >>>
    >>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    >>> cavities.
    >>>
    >>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    >>> each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    >>> according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    >>> Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    >>> the award.
    >>>
    >>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    >>> discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    >>> Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    >>> and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    >>> our bodies."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    >>> against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    >>> concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >>> have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    >>> mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    >>> "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    >>> today."
    >>>
    >>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    >>> Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    >>> to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>> action.
    >>>
    >>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    >>> mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    >>> simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    >>> filters."
    >>>
    >>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    >>> another step dentists can take.
    >>>
    >>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    >>> before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    >>> Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>
    >>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    >>> filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    >>> More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    >>> companies.
    >>>
    >>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    >>> sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    >>> recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >>>
    >>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    >>> Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    >>> mercury disposal.
    >>>
    >>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    >>> reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    >>> not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>
    >>> In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    >>> said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    >>> product.
    >>>
    >>> "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    >>> very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    >>> approaches."
    >>>
    >>> http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm


  10. Joel M. Eichen said:

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not think so.
    Epidemiology would establish that.

    Yeah, but everyone knows chocolate ice cream goes straight to your ass
    neurons.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
    http://www.dentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY

  11. Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not think so.
    Epidemiology would establish that.

    Yeah, but everyone knows chocolate ice cream goes straight to your ass
    neurons.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:

    Ohhh-h-h-h-hh so that's where the neurons are .......

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
  12. Joel M. Eichen said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:51:16 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very small group of
    critical neurons in your brain, that were absolutely necessary to
    life, and the 17 micrograms of mercury were purified into the most
    toxic form known to man and injected into those neurons, would the
    quantity matter to you?

    Epidemiologically, this is nonsense!

    Meaning that you concede by not answering the question. Look at it this
    way - there are unknown tons of mercury in the environment, and unless you
    can do a nuclear transformation on all of those tons, they will continue to
    stay in the environment. The mere fact that they exist does not necessarily
    pose any threat.

    Quoted message said:


    JOEL

    Chocolate ice cream MAY do the same thing ,,, but I do not think so.
    Epidemiology would establish that.

    Quoted message said:

    If
    you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a concentration of 1
    part per billion, and this concentration was known to be harmless,
    would the quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of difference.

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a
    > specified pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous.
    > Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect.
    > Reports of total pounds of a pollutant are dishonest, because these
    > reports take pollution "out of context" by failing to report
    > anything about concentration.
    >
    > Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    >> THIS IS IT!
    >>
    >> They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    >> fillings .......
    >>
    >>
    >> JOEL
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand
    >>> you don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something.
    >>> It is becoming spamtastic.
    >>>
    >>> jwn dds
    >>>
    >>> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious
    >>>> honors yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty
    >>>> Dozen" list for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    >>>> Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the
    >>>> city of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    >>>> phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    >>>> 12.
    >>>>
    >>>> For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    >>>> feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >>>>
    >>>> "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or
    >>>> could be having serious effects on neighbors and communities,"
    >>>> said Jay Rasku, the center's director.
    >>>>
    >>>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little
    >>>> unusual," he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and
    >>>> power plants but mercury is a big problem."
    >>>>
    >>>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    >>>> Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    >>>> practicing and retired dentists.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku
    >>>> said. "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in
    >>>> children."
    >>>>
    >>>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    >>>> cavities.
    >>>>
    >>>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    >>>> each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    >>>> according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    >>>> Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS
    >>>> for the award.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    >>>> discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    >>>> Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >>>>
    >>>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing
    >>>> age and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and
    >>>> then into our bodies."
    >>>>
    >>>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued
    >>>> warnings against eating fish caught in the waterways because of
    >>>> their high concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals
    >>>> around the state have specific regulations on mercury disposal,
    >>>> Skogstrom said.
    >>>>
    >>>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    >>>> mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    >>>> "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are
    >>>> unregulated today."
    >>>>
    >>>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office
    >>>> of Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but
    >>>> according to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach
    >>>> instead of action.
    >>>>
    >>>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    >>>> mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said.
    >>>> "The simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    >>>> filters."
    >>>>
    >>>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    >>>> another step dentists can take.
    >>>>
    >>>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    >>>> before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    >>>> Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>>
    >>>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    >>>> filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    >>>> More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    >>>> companies.
    >>>>
    >>>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    >>>> sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    >>>> recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >>>>
    >>>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water
    >>>> Resources Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its
    >>>> management of mercury disposal.
    >>>>
    >>>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    >>>> reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We
    >>>> are not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>>
    >>>> In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    >>>> said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    >>>> product.
    >>>>
    >>>> "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    >>>> very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    >>>> approaches."
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  13. Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole lot to do with
    bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and chickens will kill a duck
    in 24 hours. The turkeys pass it through, the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens, but that's another
    newsgroup.

    "charliew2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Joel M. Eichen said:

    I read that during a recent weekend that 6,000 tons of mercury was
    released into the atmosphere due to forest fires .......

    Chewing amalgam releases 17 micrograms .......

    Isn't it a question of quantities?

    JOEL

    Let me pose this differently. If there existed a very small group of
    critical neurons in your brain, that were absolutely necessary to life,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the 17 micrograms of mercury were purified into the most toxic form known


    to

    Quoted message said:

    man and injected into those neurons, would the quantity matter to you? If
    you were exposed to those same 17 micrograms at a concentration of 1 part
    per billion, and this concentration was known to be harmless, would the
    quantity matter to you?

    The context of the quantity makes a huge amount of difference.

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:29:17 -0500, "charliew2" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to the world of counting every freakin' pound of a specified
    pollutant. Joel, as you already know, this is ludicrous.
    Concentration of pollutants has a HUGE impact on their effect.
    Reports of total pounds of a pollutant are dishonest, because these
    reports take pollution "out of context" by failing to report
    anything about concentration.

    Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. wrote:
    > THIS IS IT!
    >
    > They come here because they think the world is scared of mercury
    > fillings .......
    >
    >
    > JOEL
    >
    >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:35:52 GMT, "jwndds" <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote:
    >
    >> Isn't there an amalgam newsgroup you could join? We understand you
    >> don't like it. Now go lobby the government or something. It is
    >> becoming spamtastic.
    >>
    >> jwn dds
    >>
    >> "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> SOUTHBOROUGH -- Two MetroWest organizations received dubious
    >>> honors yesterday, landing on an environmental group's "Dirty
    >>> Dozen" list for worst polluters in the state this year.
    >>>
    >>> The Boston-based Toxics Action Center named the Massachusetts
    >>> Dental Society in Southborough, for mercury pollution, and the
    >>> city of Marlborough's Easterly Wastewater Treatment Plant, for
    >>> phosphorus pollution, as two of the
    >>> 12.
    >>>
    >>> For the past six years, the center has selected organizations it
    >>> feels pose a serious public health or environmental threat.
    >>>
    >>> "These are places and sites throughout the state that are or could
    >>> be having serious effects on neighbors and communities," said Jay
    >>> Rasku, the center's director.
    >>>
    >>> "(Honoring) the Massachusetts Dental Society is a little unusual,"
    >>> he said. "We usually target hazardous waste sites and power plants
    >>> but mercury is a big problem."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Dental Society, part of the American Dental
    >>> Association, is a professional organization with around 4,500
    >>> practicing and retired dentists.
    >>>
    >>> "Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals out there," Rasku
    >>> said. "It causes severe neurological problems, especially in
    >>> children."
    >>>
    >>> For dentists, mercury comes from the amalgam fillings used for
    >>> cavities.
    >>>
    >>> Nationwide, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury
    >>> each year, most of which is released into the environment,
    >>> according to Tiffany Skogstrom, Boston campaign organizer for
    >>> Health Care Without Harm, the organization that nominated MDS for
    >>> the award.
    >>>
    >>> "Dentists are the largest source of mercury in Massachusetts,
    >>> discharging 36 pounds of mercury down the drains into the
    >>> Massachusetts Bay every year," Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> The mercury, she said, especially harms woman of child-bearing age
    >>> and children under 12. "It gets into the food chain and then into
    >>> our bodies."
    >>>
    >>> The Massachusetts Department of Public Health has issued warnings
    >>> against eating fish caught in the waterways because of their high
    >>> concentration of mercury, Rasku added. Hospitals around the state
    >>> have specific regulations on mercury disposal, Skogstrom said.
    >>>
    >>> "In 1995, the Greater Boston Area Hospital dumped 22 pounds of
    >>> mercury into the water. In 2001, they had 1 pound," she said.
    >>> "Hospitals are forced to comply but dentists still are unregulated
    >>> today."
    >>>
    >>> In 2001, the MDS signed a memorandum with the Executive Office of
    >>> Environmental Affairs for the reduction of mercury, but according
    >>> to Rasku, the agreement focused on education outreach instead of
    >>> action.
    >>>
    >>> "We need MDS to step up and require regulations and advocate for
    >>> mercury filters for dentists throughout the state," he said. "The
    >>> simple solution is to require the dentists to install these
    >>> filters."
    >>>
    >>> Choosing products that don't contain mercury, Rasku said, is
    >>> another step dentists can take.
    >>>
    >>> More than 90 percent of the mercury used by dentists is caught
    >>> before going into the waterways, according to Dr. Shepard
    >>> Goldstein, president of the Massachusetts Dental Society.
    >>>
    >>> Seventy percent of mercury from the fillings is caught with two
    >>> filters from the suction equipment dentists use, Goldstein said.
    >>> More than 20 percent is then removed from the waste management
    >>> companies.
    >>>
    >>> Although there is no official regulation, Goldstein said the MDS
    >>> sends out a card stating the best practices for handling and
    >>> recycling mercury wastes and other chemicals.
    >>>
    >>> The dental society also met with the Massachusetts Water Resources
    >>> Authority, which Goldstein said is happy with its management of
    >>> mercury disposal.
    >>>
    >>> "We are really right up on it," he said. "Most of the (mercury)
    >>> reaching the fish is already in the air from power plants...We are
    >>> not getting into the ponds and lakes like that."
    >>>
    >>> In response to using another product besides amalgam, Goldstein
    >>> said based on research it is the best and most cost-effective
    >>> product.
    >>>
    >>> "In the present moment with everything out there we are doing a
    >>> very good job," he said. "We are certainly always open to other
    >>> approaches."
    >>>
    >>> http://www.testfoundation.org/ignominioushonors.htm

  14. Teel Adams said:

    Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole lot to do
    with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and chickens will kill a
    duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass it through, the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens, but that's
    another newsgroup.

    Just don't enjoy the experiment too much ... if you do, I might accuse you
    of being a mad scientist!

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  15. Of the last seventy six days of judicial hearings that I've gone through, I
    suspect at least six hours were on the unsuitability of human toxicology
    levels to assess environmental health risks. Everytime the example of
    Selenium came up, I always wanted to jump up and mention how much of that
    "toxic" material I was gulping down a die as a post cardiac attack patient.

    BTW the hearing is over, only closing arguments, the eventual exceptions to
    file, and then the appeal to gawd knows what court. Found myself learning
    more about the state of knowledge about coal fired powerplants than I ever
    wanted to know.

    Yet, Mercury is such an interesting tragedy that has occurred. Many of the
    true hotspots occurred because learned men knew that the form of mercury
    waste was insoluble, not understanding anaerobic bacteria, and a tragic
    change in availability. Everyone should read what happened with mercury,
    a good defense against hubris. Reality has a way of mocking good engineering
    calculations.

    "charliew2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teel Adams said:

    Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole lot to do
    with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and chickens will kill a
    duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass it through, the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens, but that's
    another newsgroup.

    Just don't enjoy the experiment too much ... if you do, I might accuse you
    of being a mad scientist!

    (cut)

  16. On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:18 -0400, "Teel Adams" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Of the last seventy six days of judicial hearings that I've gone through, I
    suspect at least six hours were on the unsuitability of human toxicology
    levels to assess environmental health risks. Everytime the example of
    Selenium came up,

    Sorry, Jan Drew already warned us .... we stopped using selenium
    fillings years ago ....... Selenium interferes with waltzing and
    square dancing ........... however, its no problem when Line Dancing
    .......

    JOEL

    Quoted message said:

    I always wanted to jump up and mention how much of that
    "toxic" material I was gulping down a die as a post cardiac attack patient.

    BTW the hearing is over, only closing arguments, the eventual exceptions to
    file, and then the appeal to gawd knows what court. Found myself learning
    more about the state of knowledge about coal fired powerplants than I ever
    wanted to know.

    Yet, Mercury is such an interesting tragedy that has occurred. Many of the
    true hotspots occurred because learned men knew that the form of mercury
    waste was insoluble, not understanding anaerobic bacteria, and a tragic
    change in availability. Everyone should read what happened with mercury,
    a good defense against hubris. Reality has a way of mocking good engineering
    calculations.

    "charliew2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Teel Adams said:

    Hey Charlie!

    Not to mention that the chemical form might have a whole lot to do
    with bioavailabillity.

    The same amount of arsenic I feed my turkeys and chickens will kill a
    duck in 24 hours. The turkeys pass it through, the ducks absorb it.

    You might ask why I am feeding arsenic to my chickens, but that's
    another newsgroup.

    Just don't enjoy the experiment too much ... if you do, I might accuse you
    of being a mad scientist!

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