Altie AIDS cure?

[email hidden] (soft-eng) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

What, no debunkers yet?

Some people on this ng are not earning their keep! What if
this takes off and cheap coconuts, of all things,
take away multi-billion dollar opportunities?

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soft-eng said:

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Quoted message said:

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

What, no debunkers yet?

Nobody here is obligated to respond to you, bub. What are you, a
frustrated troll?

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Some people on this ng are not earning their keep! What if
this takes off and cheap coconuts, of all things,
take away multi-billion dollar opportunities?

Then we should all go long on coconut oil futures.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Then we should all go long on coconut oil futures." That's funny...I
love that comment.

Say I just happen to have a few bucks laying around....

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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In article <[email hidden]>,

soft-eng said:

[email hidden] (soft-eng) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

What, no debunkers yet?

Nobody here is obligated to respond to you, bub. What are you, a
frustrated troll?

If somebody is looking around for "alternative" treatments
for "aids", I wouldn't want the "coconut" theory to be
missed. (Unless, of course, it's been proven incorrect.)

Thanks for lenghthening the thread.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Some people on this ng are not earning their keep! What if
this takes off and cheap coconuts, of all things,
take away multi-billion dollar opportunities?

Then we should all go long on coconut oil futures.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.

Uh, huh.

Quoted message said:

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Midgets mistaking other midgets for giants. Newton's "giants"
were something else altogether from a different era, not
minor pathetic LPU-hackers.

Quoted message said:

"Then we should all go long on coconut oil futures." That's funny...I
love that comment.

Say I just happen to have a few bucks laying around....

I don't, but by making as few as 10 alt-suppressing posts, my pay-pal account
should be brimming with disposable income.

Coconut oil futures....hmmmmm, that David may be Wright about this...

[email hidden] (soft-eng) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

I'd love to see it work. Let's have them do a study, expose their
methods to scrutiny and we'll see. New approaches to all sorts of
medical conditions are tried all the time; the ones which refuse to
allow outside scrutiny are the ones that get vilified.

Mark, MD

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Subject: Re: Altie AIDS cure?
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 2/13/2004 9:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

I'd love to see it work. Let's have them do a study, expose their
methods to scrutiny and we'll see. New approaches to all sorts of
medical conditions are tried all the time; the ones which refuse to
allow outside scrutiny are the ones that get vilified.

Mark, MD

Translation:

If organized medicine didn't find it, it won't see the light of day.

In the meantime, poeple may use it with success, then it will be claimed a
placebo.

Those who have used it with success, could care less about the EGO of organized
medicine.

Jan

(David Wright) said:

Then we should all go long on coconut oil futures.

-- David Wright

And short pork bellies ?
--

"I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
-Yoshimo

(Ilsa9) said:

Quoted message said:

"Then we should all go long on coconut oil futures." That's funny...I
love that comment.

Say I just happen to have a few bucks laying around....

I don't, but by making as few as 10 alt-suppressing posts, my pay-pal account
should be brimming with disposable income.

Coconut oil futures....hmmmmm, that David may be Wright about this...

Don't forget to short pork bellies
--

"I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
-Yoshimo

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(David Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

soft-eng said:

[email hidden] (soft-eng) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

What, no debunkers yet?

Nobody here is obligated to respond to you, bub. What are you, a
frustrated troll?

Looks like it. No one responded as he wished, so he added more.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

(soft-eng) said:

Thanks for lenghthening the thread.

Sounds like something a troll would say.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Altie AIDS cure?
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 2/13/2004 9:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (soft-eng) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

I'd love to see it work. Let's have them do a study, expose their
methods to scrutiny and we'll see. New approaches to all sorts of
medical conditions are tried all the time; the ones which refuse to
allow outside scrutiny are the ones that get vilified.

Mark, MD

Translation:

If organized medicine didn't find it, it won't see the light of day.

In the meantime, poeple may use it with success, then it will be claimed a
placebo.

Those who have used it with success, could care less about the EGO of organized
medicine.

Jan

Wrong again, babycakes. EOM doesn't care who thought it up first,
only that it can be verified and replicated. St. John's Wort and
feverfew are just two of the "alt" remedies that conventional docs are
willing to explore suggesting to their patients because solid evidence
(chiefly from the German Commission E) suggests a useful role. I
myself have suggested alfalfa tea to breastfeeding Moms who are having
trouble keeping their milk production up; I based my decision on
several good studies I have read after finding them on the NLM's
website...and I didn't lose a wink of sleep weeping over Big Pharma's
loss of revenue by having my patients' Mommies using herbal remedies
instead of pills.

Five years ago, I suspect conventional medicine wouldn't have given
the time of day to SJW, but studies, scrutiny and replicability have
changed minds. That's the key.

Fifteen years ago, those advocating a role for acupuncture would have
been looked upon as fringy crystal-waver types, but now, thanks to
good studies and professional scrutiny, acupuncture is being used more
and more commonly as an adjunct and even a first-line therapy.

I don't think you understand that EOM needs data before leaping to
embrace any particular therapy. As long as Alt practitioners refuse
to subject their methods to scrutiny, they'll be looked upon
skeptically. If they are open, and if peer-review verifies their
claimed results, everyone rejoices and a new therapy makes its way
into widespread use.

Think about it: if Hulda Clark can really cure AIDS with her herbs,
diets and Zapper treatments, don't you think she'd be happy to let
fellow researchers have a look into her methods and records? I mean,
all she has to do is produce a half-dozen "cures", and a GREAT BIG
ball gets rolling. She'd get a Nobel Prize, invitations to teach at
any research facility in the world, and there'd be a Hulda Clark wing
on every hospital in every major metropolitan area in the world.
She'd be the next Albert Schwietzer, for crying out loud!

Hulda isn't looked upon as a charlatan because she's outside the
mainstream; she's a charlatan because she can't/won't verify her
results, yet she keeps claiming "cures" and she keeps milking
desperate people out of thousands of dollars apiece.

I hope this coconut oil thing works, but unless it can be verified and
replicated, no one is going to buy it...no one serious, at least.

Mark, MD

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Subject: Re: Altie AIDS cure?
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 2/13/2004 8:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Altie AIDS cure?
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 2/13/2004 9:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (soft-eng) wrote in message
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> http://www.cyberdyaryo.com/features/f2002_1113_01.htm

I'd love to see it work. Let's have them do a study, expose their
methods to scrutiny and we'll see. New approaches to all sorts of
medical conditions are tried all the time; the ones which refuse to
allow outside scrutiny are the ones that get vilified.

Mark, MD

Translation:

If organized medicine didn't find it, it won't see the light of day.

In the meantime, poeple may use it with success, then it will be claimed a
placebo.

Those who have used it with success, could care less about the EGO of

organized

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medicine.

Jan

Wrong again, babycakes

You are indeed wrong.

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EOM doesn't care who thought it up first,only that it can be verified and

replicated

You don't know much about EOM, I see. Get a real education and read,
Racketeering In Medicine.

http://www.baar.com/racket.htm

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Quoted message said:

I hope this coconut oil thing works, but unless it can be verified and
replicated, no one is going to buy it...no one serious, at least.

Quoted message said:

Mark, MD

WRONG.

Jan

[email hidden] (Mark) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Wrong again, babycakes. EOM doesn't care who thought it up first,
only that it can be verified and replicated. St. John's Wort and
feverfew are just two of the "alt" remedies that conventional docs are
willing to explore suggesting to their patients because solid evidence
(chiefly from the German Commission E) suggests a useful role. I
myself have suggested alfalfa tea to breastfeeding Moms who are having
trouble keeping their milk production up; I based my decision on
several good studies I have read after finding them on the NLM's
website...and I didn't lose a wink of sleep weeping over Big Pharma's
loss of revenue by having my patients' Mommies using herbal remedies
instead of pills.

That's commendable.

Professionals of course can't say "this will help you" if
there is no clear proof it will.

But there is another simple common sense logic "is it
going to hurt me?"

Coconuts are known to humankind for a VERY long time.
It is 100% certain that they do not cause toxic reactions.
(Well, no double-blind studies exist, however for
those who can accept reasonable logic, this is
a valid conclusion.)

As such, someone suffering from AIDS has nothing
to lose, and possibly something to gain, by doing
a trial on themselves, and eating coconuts
for a period of time.

The logic has been put forth, according to which,
someone eating coconuts for AIDS is forced to stop
using other brands of therapy. That's nonsense. There
is nothing forcing a patient to stop conventional medicine
when eating coconuts. So it's possible that such
"logic" comes from people subconsciously fearful that the
alternative medicine might _succeed_.

Hmmm...I've always had a sneaking suspicion that my special, super-duper
homemade chocolate chip cookies (with the Secret Ingredient) could cure
SOMETHING. They've never been shown to be Toxic. Do you think the
Medical Establishment/Drug Cartel Axis will try to suppress this Very
Important Information?

Quoted message said:

Hmmm...I've always had a sneaking suspicion that my special, super-duper
homemade chocolate chip cookies (with the Secret Ingredient) could cure
SOMETHING. They've never been shown to be Toxic. Do you think the
Medical Establishment/Drug Cartel Axis will try to suppress this Very
Important Information?

Yes, and in cahoots with Nestlé and Hershey

EOCCCC

Evil Organized Chocolate Chip Cookie Cartel

Nestle Corp. sponsored Dr Gonzalez.
Anth

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Quoted message said:

Hmmm...I've always had a sneaking suspicion that my special, super-duper
homemade chocolate chip cookies (with the Secret Ingredient) could cure
SOMETHING. They've never been shown to be Toxic. Do you think the
Medical Establishment/Drug Cartel Axis will try to suppress this Very
Important Information?

Yes, and in cahoots with Nestlé and Hershey

EOCCCC

Evil Organized Chocolate Chip Cookie Cartel

Got Milk ? er, I mean proof ?

Anth said:

Nestle Corp. sponsored Dr Gonzalez.
Anth

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm...I've always had a sneaking suspicion that my special, super-duper
homemade chocolate chip cookies (with the Secret Ingredient) could cure
SOMETHING. They've never been shown to be Toxic. Do you think the
Medical Establishment/Drug Cartel Axis will try to suppress this Very
Important Information?

Yes, and in cahoots with Nestlé and Hershey

EOCCCC

Evil Organized Chocolate Chip Cookie Cartel

Nestle Corp sponsored Dr. Gomzalez? That's a relief.

It's all starting to come together. My Secret Ingredient (& I'm
swearing you all to absolute secrecy) is One Tablespoon of Kahlua, the
Mexican Coffee Liqueur. Now isn't coffee enemas used in Alt. Med to
cure cancer? I think Nestle is somehow involved in coffee selling. My
chocolate chip cookies have a form of coffee in them. Mexico is the
home of alternate cancer therapies & Kahlua comes from Mexico.
Ergo...well, something.