Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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During the initial enema, followed by the colonic in our office, the

involvement of the parents is >essential if the child is uncooperative and
resists

Words fail me.

Peter Moran

No they don't. This is kind of cruel and nonsensical [censored] is exactly where
"personal experience" can often lead within medicine. Wishful thinking,
suggestion, spontaneous changes in medical conditions and placebo influences
can have such a powerful impact upon both patient and therapist. History
shows you MUST have objective, independent and long-term assessment of ALL
outcomes to know if you are doing good in many areas of medicine.

This woman thinks ADD is due to constipation and that she is doing good and
I am sure could produce some supporting testimonial from hopeful parents.
She would not be likely to tell you, or even necessarily know about any
children made worse or harmed psychologically by her methods. She would
have ready excuses for any obvious failures, ones that do not challenge her
cherished beliefs. Out of a hundred patients treated she will treasure a
few testimonials that support her beliefs, even if the other 95% are
actually harmed by her, and even the "successes" are now not so sure..

We knew how medical practice can deceive to throw up useless treatments long
before alternative medicine chose, with consumate arrogance and naivety, to
repeat history. It is why AM has seventy five different often quite
contradictory theories and methods for any medical disorder (others claim
ADD is associated with certain diarrhoeal illnesses).. And that is before
you get into the real frauds and scammers.

Peter Moran

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 8/11/2003 5:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No Ritalin here.

Praise God!!

Should God be praised for the child abuse involved in the alternative
treatment?

Here's the alternative medicine URL that Jan snipped, just to refresh
everyone's memory. Do not read if you are sickened by quackery.

http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html

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Subject: Re: Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]

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Here's the alternative medicine URL that Jan snipped, just to refresh
everyone's memory. Do not read if you are sickened by quackery.

this is about the most bizarro..obvious form of child abuse I have ever read
about....

I cannot even imagine the trauma..perhaps life long trauma...from getting
enemas or colonics on a regular basis....

and Jan can POST this [censored] (pardon the pun)..and guffaw that EOM prescribes
Ritalin???

hawki

hawki

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No Ritalin here.

http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html

I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the scandal
of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly children
but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of nutrients by
the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes that I suppose it's
no wonder that children are constipated and are lacking proper nutrition
which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD . These drug
czars that enact the food processing laws that cause these disorders in the
first place and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure" ought
to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
criminals in the USA??? --rb

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No Ritalin here.

http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html

I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the scandal
of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly

children

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but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of nutrients

by

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the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes that I suppose it's
no wonder that children are constipated and are lacking proper nutrition
which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD . These drug
czars that enact the food processing laws that cause these disorders in

the

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first place and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure"

ought

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to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
criminals in the USA??? --rb

You alties certainly enjoy trotting out that "food voided of nutrients"
myth, don't you? The fact is that we have access to a greater variety of
nutritious foods than ever before in history. It's true that there is plenty
of empty-calorie junk on the supermarket shelves. But there is also a
year-round selection of fresh fruits and vegetables, seafoods, meats, and
the ingredients to prepare any nutritious entree that you can imagine. The
selection is up to the consumer. As for the FDA's "mandated manufacturing
and packaging processes," they are there to assure the purity and safety of
your foods, and you'd be hard pressed to prove that they criminally cause
constipation in children or contribute to childhood malnutrition. In other
words, you don't know what you are talking about. You just like lashing out
at pharmaceuticals and the FDA.

--Rich

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"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No Ritalin here.

http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html

I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the

scandal

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of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly

children

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but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of

nutrients

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by

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the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes that I suppose

it's

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no wonder that children are constipated and are lacking proper nutrition
which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD . These

drug

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czars that enact the food processing laws that cause these disorders in

the

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first place and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure"

ought

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to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
criminals in the USA??? --rb

You alties certainly enjoy trotting out that "food voided of nutrients"
myth, don't you? The fact is that we have access to a greater variety of
nutritious foods than ever before in history. It's true that there is

plenty

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of empty-calorie junk on the supermarket shelves. But there is also a
year-round selection of fresh fruits and vegetables, seafoods, meats, and
the ingredients to prepare any nutritious entree that you can imagine.
The
selection is up to the consumer.

Very true. Examining supermarket trolleys can be a sobering experience.
Alternative medicine is probably on balance a negative force for good
nutrition, through its tendency to promote supplements first and foremost,
and to push crank diets and juicing over healthy diets with adequate fibre.

Peter Moran

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No Ritalin here.

http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html

--
Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
I'm a Bright. Are you?

Heartbreaking......:-(

--

Robert Bronsing

Can't you see?
It all makes perfect sense,
expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

(R. Waters)

Peter Moran said:

This woman thinks ADD is due to constipation and that she is doing good and
I am sure could produce some supporting testimonial from hopeful parents.
She would not be likely to tell you, or even necessarily know about any
children made worse or harmed psychologically by her methods.

Forget the psychological harm ... the possibility of a ruptured
colon or spreading disease from improperly cleaned eqiupment is
more immediate.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

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Peter Moran said:

This woman thinks ADD is due to constipation and that she is doing good

and

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I am sure could produce some supporting testimonial from hopeful parents.
She would not be likely to tell you, or even necessarily know about any
children made worse or harmed psychologically by her methods.

Forget the psychological harm ... the possibility of a ruptured
colon or spreading disease from improperly cleaned eqiupment is
more immediate.

And if the kid isn't already constipated, he will be after a few weekly high
colonics interspersed with home enemas.

--Rich

Jan said:

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Subject: Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 8/11/2003 5:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No Ritalin here.

Praise God!!

G-d made man smart enough to develop methylphenidate and learnhow to use
it to benefit people.

Rich said:

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 8/11/2003 5:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No Ritalin here.

Praise God!!

Does Jan Drew have any ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with Ritalin?? Did Jan Drew
have ADHD and was she treated with Ritalin?? If not then according to
her own criteria her opinion is worthless.

No. She has never used it, and only believes that she has witnessed its
use when she was a child care provider.

rb said:

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No Ritalin here.

http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html

I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the scandal
of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly children

AD/HD is not about 'unruly children.'

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but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of nutrients

Disproven in the Calfirnia legal case. Sad that you did not read that.

by

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the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes that I suppose it's
no wonder that children are constipated and are lacking proper nutrition
which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD .

AD/HD is not a general health problem, and is unrelated to bowel movements.

These drug

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czars that enact the food processing laws that cause these disorders in the
first place and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure" ought
to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
criminals in the USA??? --rb

AD/HD was first described around 100 years ago, way before pesticides,
FDA, etc.

Another subject in which you are lacking a clue.

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I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the

scandal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly

children

Quoted message said:

but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of

nutrients

Quoted message said:

by

Quoted message said:

the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes

There are plenty of foods that are nutritious -- consumers choose to stuff
their faces (& their kids as well) with McDonald's, greasy snack foods, &
sugary empty calories.

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I suppose it's no wonder that children are constipated

Where did you get the misinformation that children are constipated? Many
are fat & out-of-shape due to lack of exercise & the foods they (& their
parents) choose to eat

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and are lacking proper nutrition
which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD .

While lousy nutrition (chosen by parents & children) may well aggravate
behavioral & learning problems, it's doubtful they CAUSE them.

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These drug
czars that enact the food processing laws

Nobody regulates the consumption of food that anyone with an IQ over 10
KNOWS has the nutritional value of cardboard. As long as consumers WANT

to

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eat empty garbage it will be available. Big Brother is supposed to

regulate

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that?? Hardly.

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that cause these disorders in the
first place

There is no evidence that the processing of food &/or its packaging causes
any behavioral or learning disorders.

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and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure" ought
to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
criminals in the USA??? --rb

ADHD/ADD is no doubt misdiagnosed in some cases. Poor diet (which is
certainly NOT forced on anyone) may possibly aggravate problems that

already

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exist but neither that nor food packaging/processing causes
behavioral/learning disorders.

If you actually believe that these poor nutritional choices are

"criminal",

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then you should be looking to parents -- & later on to older kids -- as
those choosing to engage in such "criminal" behavior.

It's very strange indeed that alternative medicine treatments you think
are unhealthy you have no trouble with them being suppressed but don't have
a similar attitude towards unhealthy food products which are most everything
outside of fresh produce! A bit of hypocrisy maybe??? --rb

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Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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"fred & michele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"rb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the

scandal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly

children

Quoted message said:

but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of

nutrients

Quoted message said:

by

Quoted message said:

the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes

There are plenty of foods that are nutritious -- consumers choose to

stuff

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

their faces (& their kids as well) with McDonald's, greasy snack foods,

&

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sugary empty calories.

Quoted message said:

I suppose it's no wonder that children are constipated

Where did you get the misinformation that children are constipated?

Many

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are fat & out-of-shape due to lack of exercise & the foods they (& their
parents) choose to eat

Quoted message said:

and are lacking proper nutrition
which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD .

While lousy nutrition (chosen by parents & children) may well aggravate
behavioral & learning problems, it's doubtful they CAUSE them.

Quoted message said:

These drug
czars that enact the food processing laws

Nobody regulates the consumption of food that anyone with an IQ over 10
KNOWS has the nutritional value of cardboard. As long as consumers WANT

to

Quoted message said:

eat empty garbage it will be available. Big Brother is supposed to

regulate

Quoted message said:

that?? Hardly.

Quoted message said:

that cause these disorders in the
first place

There is no evidence that the processing of food &/or its packaging

causes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any behavioral or learning disorders.

Quoted message said:

and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure" ought
to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
criminals in the USA??? --rb

ADHD/ADD is no doubt misdiagnosed in some cases. Poor diet (which is
certainly NOT forced on anyone) may possibly aggravate problems that

already

Quoted message said:

exist but neither that nor food packaging/processing causes
behavioral/learning disorders.

If you actually believe that these poor nutritional choices are

"criminal",

Quoted message said:

then you should be looking to parents -- & later on to older kids -- as
those choosing to engage in such "criminal" behavior.

It's very strange indeed that alternative medicine treatments you think
are unhealthy you have no trouble with them being suppressed

Trying to put words in my posts for EVERY thread now, rb? Not surprising.
Certainly I've never advocated "suppression" of ANY alt. therapy or
theory -- they should most definitely be held up to the same scrutiny WRT
their efficacy & safety as any other treatment. [And I don't call 99% of
the treatments I believe are useless (after researching the facts)
"unhealthy", but USELESS & a waste of money.]

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but don't have
a similar attitude towards unhealthy food products which are most

everything

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outside of fresh produce! A bit of hypocrisy maybe??? --rb

Your reading comprehension is pitiful, rb. Just as with useless alt.
therapies, junk food is a waste of money & those who buy the [censored] are to
blame as long as they have been told the truth about what they're buying.
Nobody is lying about the empty food in question -- unless you think
McDonald's is marketing its burgers as some sort of organic health food??
Telling consumers the TRUTH -- whether about alt. or conventional treatments
or the food they eat is the whole point.

And if you think the only healthy food available is fresh produce, your
knowledge of nutrition isn't any more extensive than your knowledge of A&P.
You need to learn a LOT about both.

Fresh produce is often NOT a good choice, especially if the consumer doesn't
eat it soon after it's picked. In cases where the fruits or veggies won't
be eaten in a relatively short time, frozen produce (usually processed &
packaged within hours of harvesting) is often a better choice for superior
retention of nutrients.

Moderate amounts of lean meats, whole grain products ranging from breads to
pastas to cereals, & produce (both fresh & frozen) are readily available.
If people choose not to eat them -- all the while knowing that the junk food
they're consuming is of inferior quality -- that's their problem.

There's no hypocrisy or different standard in my POV. Your poor attempt to
claim otherwise is duly noted, rb.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

rubber brain

forcing colonics and enemas on children is NOT only nOT medicine of any
sort...it is child abuse...and is possibly a way to scar the psyche for life...

perhaps you need to go back to arteries and veins...cuz you are truly ignorant
in this area..

hawki

hawki

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> I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the

scandal

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> of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly
children
> but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of

nutrients

Quoted message said:

by
> the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes

There are plenty of foods that are nutritious -- consumers choose to

stuff

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

their faces (& their kids as well) with McDonald's, greasy snack

foods,

Quoted message said:

&

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sugary empty calories.

> I suppose it's no wonder that children are constipated

Where did you get the misinformation that children are constipated?

Many

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are fat & out-of-shape due to lack of exercise & the foods they (&

their

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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parents) choose to eat

> and are lacking proper nutrition
> which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD .

While lousy nutrition (chosen by parents & children) may well

aggravate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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behavioral & learning problems, it's doubtful they CAUSE them.

>These drug
> czars that enact the food processing laws

Nobody regulates the consumption of food that anyone with an IQ over

10

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

KNOWS has the nutritional value of cardboard. As long as consumers

WANT

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

eat empty garbage it will be available. Big Brother is supposed to

regulate

Quoted message said:

that?? Hardly.

>that cause these disorders in the
> first place

There is no evidence that the processing of food &/or its packaging

causes

Quoted message said:

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any behavioral or learning disorders.

> and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure" ought
> to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice

for

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> criminals in the USA??? --rb

ADHD/ADD is no doubt misdiagnosed in some cases. Poor diet (which is
certainly NOT forced on anyone) may possibly aggravate problems that

already

Quoted message said:

exist but neither that nor food packaging/processing causes
behavioral/learning disorders.

If you actually believe that these poor nutritional choices are

"criminal",

Quoted message said:

then you should be looking to parents -- & later on to older kids --

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

those choosing to engage in such "criminal" behavior.

It's very strange indeed that alternative medicine treatments you

think

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are unhealthy you have no trouble with them being suppressed

Trying to put words in my posts for EVERY thread now, rb? Not surprising.
Certainly I've never advocated "suppression" of ANY alt. therapy or>

theory -- they should most definitely be held up to the same scrutiny WRT>
their efficacy & safety as any other treatment. [And I don't call 99% of>
the treatments I believe are useless (after researching the facts)

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"unhealthy", but USELESS & a waste of money.]

So then you are in agreement with the idea that the health consumer
should be free to choose their own particular medical treatments without
interference or suppression by Gov't authorities such as the FDA, with
alternative medicine providers also having the unfettered right to advertise
and practice these treatments-(such as Chelation Therapy and Neoplastin
cancer therapy, etc?) without fear of losing their licenses to practice
medicine or be imprisoned for the same? --rb

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but don't have> > a similar attitude towards unhealthy food products

which are most> everything

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outside of fresh produce! A bit of hypocrisy maybe??? --rb

Your reading comprehension is pitiful, rb. Just as with useless alt.>

therapies, junk food is a waste of money & those who buy the [censored] are to>
blame as long as they have been told the truth about what they're buying.

Do you not think that harmful "food" products such as margarine and white
flour should be banned? --rb

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Nobody is lying about the empty food in question -- unless you think>

McDonald's is marketing its burgers as some sort of organic health food??

If they made their buns with whole wheat flour I think that would help
move them a lot further out of the junk food category! --rb

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Telling consumers the TRUTH -- whether about alt. or conventional

treatments> or the food they eat is the whole point.

Good point but who gets to decide what the truth is and how it is to be
arrived at? --rb

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And if you think the only healthy food available is fresh produce, your>

knowledge of nutrition isn't any more extensive than your knowledge of A&P.>
You need to learn a LOT about both.

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Fresh produce is often NOT a good choice, especially if the consumer

doesn't> eat it soon after it's picked.

I did say fresh! --rb

In cases where the fruits or veggies won't> be eaten in a relatively short
time, frozen produce (usually processed &

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packaged within hours of harvesting) is often a better choice for

superior> retention of nutrients.

That doesn't seem disagreeable. --rb

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Moderate amounts of lean meats, whole grain products ranging from breads

to> pastas to cereals, & produce (both fresh & frozen) are readily
available.

Organic is far preferable to chemical production as chemical production
methods ruins the soil by depleting it to mineral and nutrient exhaustion
thereby eventually passing on foodstuff that is seriously devoid of
acceptable nutrients! --rb

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If people choose not to eat them -- all the while knowing that the junk

food> they're consuming is of inferior quality -- that's their problem.

Do you think it might be better if some of these junk foods were
banned? --rb

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There's no hypocrisy or different standard in my POV. Your poor attempt

to> claim otherwise is duly noted, rb.

I didn't know you were in favor of Chelation Therapy and Neoplastin and
other cancer treatments being freely available to the general public with
the attendant right of practitioner's to both advertise and practice their
particular alternative treatments without fear of prosecution etc! I thought
you were against it! --rb

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Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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Subject: Re: Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 8/12/2003 6:27 PM Pacifi

rubber brains

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having the unfettered right to advertise
and practice these treatments-(such as Chelation Therapy

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without fear of losing their licenses to practice
medicine or be imprisoned for the same? --rb

hmmmm funny,...it is not illegal to practice chelation....see ads for it all
the time...

what planet again is that you live on??

maroon

hawki

Jan said:

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Subject: Re: Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 8/11/2003 11:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>>No Ritalin here.
>>
>>http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html
>
> I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the

scandal

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>of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly

children

>but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of

nutrients

Quoted message said:

by

>the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes that I suppose

it's

Quoted message said:

>no wonder that children are constipated and are lacking proper nutrition
>which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD . These

drug

Quoted message said:

>czars that enact the food processing laws that cause these disorders in

the

>first place and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure"

ought

>to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for
>criminals in the USA??? --rb
>
>

You alties certainly enjoy trotting out that "food voided of nutrients"
myth, don't you? The fact is that we have access to a greater variety of
nutritious foods than ever before in history. It's true that there is

plenty

Quoted message said:

of empty-calorie junk on the supermarket shelves. But there is also a
year-round selection of fresh fruits and vegetables, seafoods, meats, and
the ingredients to prepare any nutritious entree that you can imagine.
The
selection is up to the consumer.

Very true. Examining supermarket trolleys can be a sobering experience.
Alternative medicine is probably on balance a negative force for good
nutrition, through its tendency to promote supplements first and foremost,
and to push crank diets and juicing over healthy diets with adequate fibre.

Peter Moran

Proof please.

It is in the archives.

rb said:

So then you are in agreement with the idea that the health consumer
should be free to choose their own particular medical treatments without
interference or suppression by Gov't authorities such as the FDA, with
alternative medicine providers also having the unfettered right to advertise
and practice these treatments-(such as Chelation Therapy and Neoplastin
cancer therapy, etc?) without fear of losing their licenses to practice
medicine or be imprisoned for the same? --rb

So long as those treatments and claims have been subjected to rigorous
testing to show safety and efficacy.

If not, then they should not be permitted.

I believe in one standard for all. If you disagree, then what do you
propose?